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| First and foremost, hi!! I'm new here, but I have been a lurker--guilty as charged.
I am finally at a point in life where I can get back into barrel racing, done with grad school, gainfully employed, and now we have a trailer again! I have a 15 year old I'm legging back up-He's a grandson of Mr San Peppy on top, great grandson of Doc O Lena on bottom-loved running him! But he's 15, slight hock arthritis, and I worry about longevity. Sooo...the husband has said it's time for a youngster.
I will preface this by saying I love the cow bred horses. I've looked at a quite few running bred horses, and I'll be honest, just not my type. I can't get to where I'm crazy about one. Which is also a blessing, because I can't spend a small fortune.
I ran across a daughter of Palo Duro Cat out of a Colonel Freckles granddaughter. She's small, but only 3, so there's hope for some growth. She's sensitive, which I like, and she seems to want to go. She rides out by herself fine, I took her down the road, across an old cotton field, and I had a hard time finding something she was afraid of--seems to have a good mind. Not the softest mouth, but I think that's more a lack of consistent training. I'm not in a huge rush since I have my guy to leg back up, so I'm happy to put in the time. She got behind in her cutting training so she's a "flunkie", but that drops her into my price range!
My big concern is, how can you really judge at 3 how fast they're really going to be? Does anyone here know much about these horses? Opinions? Is she worth taking a chance on? I'm bringing her in for a trial/pre-purchase (she has what looks like a rope burn on one pastern, and she needs her feet done), but I want as much insight as possible.
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Location: Texas | I am not any help but would love to hear others' opinions as well. I am looking for a young one too and am thinking about going the cow bred route. Thanks for asking this question! | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Just a question - did you find this horse in South Georgia?
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| I've seen a couple Palo Duro Cat's and none of them have gotten very big. I wouldn't count on her being over 15hh. That being said, I've got one by Cat's Gotta Diamond, 15.1hh, who can't be bothered to move quickly. I've also got a Metallic Cat, 14.3hh ish, who wants to do absolutely everything in fast forward. I would say just try to judge her stride and motor. That's the risk with buying young horses, you just don't know what you'll get in the long run. But I'm with you on loving the cow bred horses! | |
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| 3canstorun - Yes!! It may be a very small world haha the man who has her came really highly recommended. Do you know her lines by chance?
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| rpreast - Thank you!! I've never known any Palo Duro Cat horses, I think part of that is where I'm located, so I appreciate the insight! The trainer who has her breeds cutting horses, but she was a trade-in of sorts, so he didn't have half-siblings to compare to, and I've been really curious. If she got to 14.3, I'd be fine with that. I'm none too tall, and I like the little squatty ones.
The Palo Duro horses you've known-what did they do? Are they all cutters? | |
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Location: North Dakota | With a cowbred horse you are going to get a lot of try and grit. I run a daughter of San Jo Lena out of a daughter of Colonel Freckles. She wants to work work work but is super quiet on the ground and I could put anyone on her. I wouldn't change a thing about her. We may never be in the 1D but that is more my fault than hers. Speed is not everything so I wouldn't be so concerned as to just how fast this horse would be. Style, heart, and just how athletic they are is what is going to make the most difference.
I have been around cutting bred horses a lot as the owner of the boarding barn I manage has 2 daughters of smart mate and a daughter of Smart Little Jerry and she has bred them all several times over the years I've been here. All three of the mares and all of their babies I've been around have been smart and easy going. I don't think you can go wrong with a cowbred horse. I don't see myself owning anything else.
One thing about this particular horse you asked about...She looks nice enough and sounds like she has nice papers but I would be concerned about the conformation of her hind legs.. I am no expert but something is off back there. | |
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| MidWest1452 - Their good mind and try is why I'm so sold on them, and I love that others who run barrels appreciate this about them also! I just want to find a good minded athlete who can run and be competitive. I'm not looking to set the world on fire, and I have a lot to learn still. I just want a good partner who can get there also.
I'm usually not even a mare person--at all. I think that's why I keep researching and trying to find a flaw, because it's not like me to just LOVE a mare like this. There has to be a catch! I went there looking at an awesome bay gelding he had, but he didn't have as much pep as her.
I'll openly admit I'm no expert on conformation. My farrier is huge on conformation and mechanics, etc., and the man selling her is letting me do a trial to have her all checked out. He said she needs her feet done, which I think a trim will help a lot. He's letting me use my farrier for it, so she'll get a real good look over. I joke that my farrier will never approve of any horse in my price range. I've fallen for a few on this search and long pasterns, bench knees, a myriad of issues have knocked them out. I have my fingers crossed for this one. | |
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| Jen524 - 2016-11-01 6:38 AM First and foremost, hi!! I'm new here, but I have been a lurker--guilty as charged. I am finally at a point in life where I can get back into barrel racing, done with grad school, gainfully employed, and now we have a trailer again! I have a 15 year old I'm legging back up-He's a grandson of Mr San Peppy on top, great grandson of Doc O Lena on bottom-loved running him! But he's 15, slight hock arthritis, and I worry about longevity. Sooo...the husband has said it's time for a youngster. I will preface this by saying I love the cow bred horses. I've looked at a quite few running bred horses, and I'll be honest, just not my type. I can't get to where I'm crazy about one. Which is also a blessing, because I can't spend a small fortune. I ran across a daughter of Palo Duro Cat out of a Colonel Freckles granddaughter. She's small, but only 3, so there's hope for some growth. She's sensitive, which I like, and she seems to want to go. She rides out by herself fine, I took her down the road, across an old cotton field, and I had a hard time finding something she was afraid of--seems to have a good mind. Not the softest mouth, but I think that's more a lack of consistent training. I'm not in a huge rush since I have my guy to leg back up, so I'm happy to put in the time. She got behind in her cutting training so she's a "flunkie", but that drops her into my price range! My big concern is, how can you really judge at 3 how fast they're really going to be? Does anyone here know much about these horses? Opinions? Is she worth taking a chance on? I'm bringing her in for a trial/pre-purchase (she has what looks like a rope burn on one pastern, and she needs her feet done), but I want as much insight as possible.
Congrats on getting back into the barrel racing game again! I have no thoughts on this breeding as I am really not familiar with it. What I am seeing from these pictures (and it could just be the angle of the photos) is that this horse has pretty long pasterns and her legs looks pretty tiny in relation to the size of her body. What I would be concerned about is how she would hold up for barrel racing. Just something to think about - good luck to you! | |
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| Jen524 - 2016-11-01 9:29 AM rpreast - Thank you!! I've never known any Palo Duro Cat horses, I think part of that is where I'm located, so I appreciate the insight! The trainer who has her breeds cutting horses, but she was a trade-in of sorts, so he didn't have half-siblings to compare to, and I've been really curious. If she got to 14.3, I'd be fine with that. I'm none too tall, and I like the little squatty ones. The Palo Duro horses you've known-what did they do? Are they all cutters?
Yes they've all been cutters. And pretty good ones! I'd never heard of him until the last year or two, but they're showing up more and more in the cutting pens around here. | |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | brlraceaddict - 2016-11-01 10:55 AM
Jen524 - 2016-11-01 6:38 AM First and foremost, hi!! I'm new here, but I have been a lurker--guilty as charged. I am finally at a point in life where I can get back into barrel racing, done with grad school, gainfully employed, and now we have a trailer again! I have a 15 year old I'm legging back up-He's a grandson of Mr San Peppy on top, great grandson of Doc O Lena on bottom-loved running him! But he's 15, slight hock arthritis, and I worry about longevity. Sooo...the husband has said it's time for a youngster. I will preface this by saying I love the cow bred horses. I've looked at a quite few running bred horses, and I'll be honest, just not my type. I can't get to where I'm crazy about one. Which is also a blessing, because I can't spend a small fortune. I ran across a daughter of Palo Duro Cat out of a Colonel Freckles granddaughter. She's small, but only 3, so there's hope for some growth. She's sensitive, which I like, and she seems to want to go. She rides out by herself fine, I took her down the road, across an old cotton field, and I had a hard time finding something she was afraid of--seems to have a good mind. Not the softest mouth, but I think that's more a lack of consistent training. I'm not in a huge rush since I have my guy to leg back up, so I'm happy to put in the time. She got behind in her cutting training so she's a "flunkie", but that drops her into my price range! My big concern is, how can you really judge at 3 how fast they're really going to be? Does anyone here know much about these horses? Opinions? Is she worth taking a chance on? I'm bringing her in for a trial/pre-purchase (she has what looks like a rope burn on one pastern, and she needs her feet done), but I want as much insight as possible.
Congrats on getting back into the barrel racing game again! I have no thoughts on this breeding as I am really not familiar with it. What I am seeing from these pictures (and it could just be the angle of the photos) is that this horse has pretty long pasterns and her legs looks pretty tiny in relation to the size of her body. What I would be concerned about is how she would hold up for barrel racing. Just something to think about - good luck to you!
I agree she's really fine boned I like to see bigger gaskins.
I am hoping the looking off is just her toes being long and she's standing weird. I have one that looks horrible in pics all the time but she's almost perfect conformation in my opinion... I never seem get a great pic of her. | |
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Location: Arkansas | While Sophisticated Catt has always seemed to get all the attention, for some reason I've loved PDC from day one! Here's hoping she does great for you. (I'm no conformation person, so no help there.) Good luck and welcome to the forum! | |
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| ndiehl - 2016-11-01 12:11 PM
I agree she's really fine boned I like to see bigger gaskins.
I am hoping the looking off is just her toes being long and she's standing weird. I have one that looks horrible in pics all the time but she's almost perfect conformation in my opinion... I never seem get a great pic of her.
I completely agree there as well, I'd like to see more bone on her, and bigger feet as well. The horse I get this go around may not be one I keep for the long haul, so I'm somewhat forgiving. I am getting her hind legs checked over thoroughly. I do hope a lot is just a need for a good trim. I have a paint who always look disjointed in pictures as well! Guess he is about as photogenic as I am lol | |
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| Thank you, Chandler's Mom! I had always heard great things about the High Brow Cat horses, but never put a leg over one. If she is a good example of the PDC horses, if she doesn't pass the pre-purchase, I'll be looking for a half sibling! | |
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