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Location: Windoming | Hot Rod - 2016-12-14 8:15 AM I live in Las Vegas and did not enter. I do not need a stall or a hotel room. I asked them about that and they said that was the package. (They paid equal monies in each D, which I am NOT a fan of) . They only paid 5 monies in the qualifying rounds with $1250 winning first, down to $275 winning 5th. Then in final round, first place was $10k and second place went down to $3k and down from there. The pay out was posted in the rules before hand. lvbarrelrace.com so people entering knew what to expect. The results are also posted there . I think with all the money that was in the pot, more monies and higher payouts should be justified. I totally agree that people putting on these barrel races deserve to make money, that's why they do it, but if you pencil this out, you will be shocked, or at least I was, at how much they made . So the payout was my biggest deterent. If it stays the same for next year I will probably pass on it again. But they had close to what, 600 entries, total, and with that I'm sure they won't change much. Just my opinion.
Just curious, how did you figure 600 entries? I looked on their website at Race 2 results ( Race 1 results won't show), there were 271 entries including drawouts, and not counting the incentive races. (which had 100% payback) The entry covered both rounds. I don't think it should matter anyhow how many entries they get, they are guaranteeing that payout no matter what. What if only 100 people entered, they are taking a risk. They should get something for that risk. It stinks for people who don't need the stalls or hotel, but it looks like a great deal for out of towners. Did people with multiple horses have to pay the entire entry fee since they wouldn't need more hotel rooms? I'll have to ask some of our local girls, I see several of them were there. I can't imagine the expense of setting up that arena and warm up area. It would sure be fun to make the short round of that race! I'll stop rambling now....... | |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | GOBABYGO - 2016-12-14 6:28 AM
Everyone was ok wih the entry fee? I don't want a jacket and don't need a hotel. 
Especially more than one of each, if you bring another horse. I'm sure there were some growing pains so things could be tweaked next year. | |
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Location: Texas | barrelracer1983 - 2016-12-14 10:28 AM
GOBABYGO - 2016-12-14 6:28 AM
Everyone was ok wih the entry fee? I don't want a jacket and don't need a hotel.
Especially more than one of each, if you bring another horse. I'm sure there were some growing pains so things could be tweaked next year.
I definitely would not pay that kind of money to enter in a race. Seems a bit pricey, regardless of what the entry included. | |
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Location: Nebraska | Silly Filly - 2016-12-14 10:51 AM Hot Rod - 2016-12-14 8:15 AM I live in Las Vegas and did not enter. I do not need a stall or a hotel room. I asked them about that and they said that was the package. (They paid equal monies in each D, which I am NOT a fan of) . They only paid 5 monies in the qualifying rounds with $1250 winning first, down to $275 winning 5th. Then in final round, first place was $10k and second place went down to $3k and down from there. The pay out was posted in the rules before hand. lvbarrelrace.com so people entering knew what to expect. The results are also posted there . I think with all the money that was in the pot, more monies and higher payouts should be justified. I totally agree that people putting on these barrel races deserve to make money, that's why they do it, but if you pencil this out, you will be shocked, or at least I was, at how much they made . So the payout was my biggest deterent. If it stays the same for next year I will probably pass on it again. But they had close to what, 600 entries, total, and with that I'm sure they won't change much. Just my opinion.
Just curious, how did you figure 600 entries? I looked on their website at Race 2 results ( Race 1 results won't show), there were 271 entries including drawouts, and not counting the incentive races. (which had 100% payback) The entry covered both rounds. I don't think it should matter anyhow how many entries they get, they are guaranteeing that payout no matter what. What if only 100 people entered, they are taking a risk. They should get something for that risk. It stinks for people who don't need the stalls or hotel, but it looks like a great deal for out of towners. Did people with multiple horses have to pay the entire entry fee since they wouldn't need more hotel rooms? I'll have to ask some of our local girls, I see several of them were there. I can't imagine the expense of setting up that arena and warm up area. It would sure be fun to make the short round of that race! I'll stop rambling now.......
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Location: Wild Wild West | brlracerchick - 2016-12-14 11:10 AM Silly Filly - 2016-12-14 10:51 AM Hot Rod - 2016-12-14 8:15 AM I live in Las Vegas and did not enter. I do not need a stall or a hotel room. I asked them about that and they said that was the package. (They paid equal monies in each D, which I am NOT a fan of) . They only paid 5 monies in the qualifying rounds with $1250 winning first, down to $275 winning 5th. Then in final round, first place was $10k and second place went down to $3k and down from there. The pay out was posted in the rules before hand. lvbarrelrace.com so people entering knew what to expect. The results are also posted there . I think with all the money that was in the pot, more monies and higher payouts should be justified. I totally agree that people putting on these barrel races deserve to make money, that's why they do it, but if you pencil this out, you will be shocked, or at least I was, at how much they made . So the payout was my biggest deterent. If it stays the same for next year I will probably pass on it again. But they had close to what, 600 entries, total, and with that I'm sure they won't change much. Just my opinion.
Just curious, how did you figure 600 entries? I looked on their website at Race 2 results ( Race 1 results won't show), there were 271 entries including drawouts, and not counting the incentive races. (which had 100% payback) The entry covered both rounds. I don't think it should matter anyhow how many entries they get, they are guaranteeing that payout no matter what. What if only 100 people entered, they are taking a risk. They should get something for that risk. It stinks for people who don't need the stalls or hotel, but it looks like a great deal for out of towners. Did people with multiple horses have to pay the entire entry fee since they wouldn't need more hotel rooms? I'll have to ask some of our local girls, I see several of them were there. I can't imagine the expense of setting up that arena and warm up area. It would sure be fun to make the short round of that race! I'll stop rambling now.......
There were two races. First race had approx. 255, second race 270 approx. I just threw 600 out there. It was closer to 525, I guess. Still that's $525,000. in fees that were paid. | |
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| Hot Rod - 2016-12-14 12:46 PM brlracerchick - 2016-12-14 11:10 AM Silly Filly - 2016-12-14 10:51 AM Hot Rod - 2016-12-14 8:15 AM I live in Las Vegas and did not enter. I do not need a stall or a hotel room. I asked them about that and they said that was the package. (They paid equal monies in each D, which I am NOT a fan of) . They only paid 5 monies in the qualifying rounds with $1250 winning first, down to $275 winning 5th. Then in final round, first place was $10k and second place went down to $3k and down from there. The pay out was posted in the rules before hand. lvbarrelrace.com so people entering knew what to expect. The results are also posted there . I think with all the money that was in the pot, more monies and higher payouts should be justified. I totally agree that people putting on these barrel races deserve to make money, that's why they do it, but if you pencil this out, you will be shocked, or at least I was, at how much they made . So the payout was my biggest deterent. If it stays the same for next year I will probably pass on it again. But they had close to what, 600 entries, total, and with that I'm sure they won't change much. Just my opinion.
Just curious, how did you figure 600 entries? I looked on their website at Race 2 results ( Race 1 results won't show), there were 271 entries including drawouts, and not counting the incentive races. (which had 100% payback) The entry covered both rounds. I don't think it should matter anyhow how many entries they get, they are guaranteeing that payout no matter what. What if only 100 people entered, they are taking a risk. They should get something for that risk. It stinks for people who don't need the stalls or hotel, but it looks like a great deal for out of towners. Did people with multiple horses have to pay the entire entry fee since they wouldn't need more hotel rooms? I'll have to ask some of our local girls, I see several of them were there. I can't imagine the expense of setting up that arena and warm up area. It would sure be fun to make the short round of that race! I'll stop rambling now.......
I understand there were those that live in or near vegas that did not need a room or stall. You had the option to sell your room if you would like. If my math was correct there were 229 entered in race 1. So they collected $229,000 (not including any incentive races). Total payout between both rounds and showdown round was $125,875.
Being the fee was all inclusive, that would mean 229 rooms were reserved and 229 stalls were reserved. I dont know how much the Plaza was charging for a room during NFR, but on normal (non-holiday) weekends you can expect around $150 from Wednesday to Sunday stay $150 x 229 = $34,350. Stalls on an average at events are $20/night (some more/some less). Again say from Wednesday to Sunday probably $80 x 229 = $18,320. Now its possible Plaza didnt charge normal rates for those rooms, but I am sure they charged something. It also costs money to bring in those stalls... Also, dont forget you need to pay for insurance, arena crew, announcer, normal business expenses, etc. Coming from a producers side of things those totals add up.
My personal opinion... even if you could cut out the room expense and stall expense most local girls would not enter. Coming from someone who runs in Vegas - many do not pay those fees. Even at NBHA and BB4B it is surprising how many locals do not enter those races. | |
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Location: The Great Northwest | I would not enter that race being from out of town! Leaving selling of a room up to the contestant!? Give the poor barrel racer a break! | |
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Location: sunny california | i do not think I would ever go to that race. I like the south point and have a lot of fun at the NBHA race. they pay a lot of places and it is just a tad cheaper. I am usually right around $900 for fees, stall and tack stall and my room. I do not need a jacket, and especially one that is not the size I asked for | |
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Location: Windoming | I thought the entry fee covered both races, so you can't say they got $229,000 for race 1 and $271,000 for race 2. I don't think they actually made all that much money from the race, after paying hotels, stalls, help, arena set up, parking, jackets, etc.........and the payout of $107,000
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| Silly Filly - 2016-12-14 2:45 PM I thought the entry fee covered both races, so you can't say they got $229,000 for race 1 and $271,000 for race 2. I don't think they actually made all that much money from the race, after paying hotels, stalls, help, arena set up, parking, jackets, etc.........and the payout of $107,000
The entry fee was a $1,000 per race. If you entered both races then your fees were $2,000. So yes if they got 229 entries for race 1 at $1,000 per entry that would be $229,000 for race 1 only. I agree they likely did not make that much money off the race fee themselves after hotel, stalls, help, expenses, etc... but I am sure prizes were sponsored as well as regular sponsorships to be advertized at the race. Once all that is accounted for I am sure they made money and I hope they did make money (as in any industry the intent is to make money). | |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | kwanatha - 2016-12-14 1:24 PM
i do not think I would ever go to that race. I like the south point and have a lot of fun at the NBHA race. they pay a lot of places and it is just a tad cheaper. I am usually right around $900 for fees, stall and tack stall and my room. I do not need a jacket, and especially one that is not the size I asked for
The SP just seems convenient. I've never ran there (hopefully one of these days) but stayed there for NASCAR. | |
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| I went to race. Ground was good and it was run well, however I probably would not go back. Complete pain in the butt going back and forth from hotel to where horses are. If you care about your horse then you are doing that at least a few times a day to check on them get them out of the tiny stalls to at least handwalk etc... Plaza hotel where they include room for entry fee is pretty much a dump in my opinion. Plus downtown area and Fremont street is pretty gross as well. Nothing like the strip with the nicer hotels and not so much riff raff. Just my snobby opinion I guess. lol
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Location: In the rockies. | barrelracer1983 - 2016-12-14 10:28 PM GOBABYGO - 2016-12-14 6:28 AM
Everyone was ok wih the entry fee? I don't want a jacket and don't need a hotel.
Especially more than one of each, if you bring another horse. I'm sure there were some growing pains so things could be tweaked next year.
I hope so..................
Looked and sounded like a lot of fun! | |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | Texas Tornado - 2016-12-14 5:25 PM
I went to race. Ground was good and it was run well, however I probably would not go back. Complete pain in the butt going back and forth from hotel to where horses are. If you care about your horse then you are doing that at least a few times a day to check on them get them out of the tiny stalls to at least handwalk etc... Plaza hotel where they include room for entry fee is pretty much a dump in my opinion. Plus downtown area and Fremont street is pretty gross as well. Nothing like the strip with the nicer hotels and not so much riff raff. Just my snobby opinion I guess. lol
Heard about the Plaza. I wish it could have been at SP but I know TR was held there. It looked like the arena was a tent? | |
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| Yes arena was a tent and you had to cross a major street to get to arena. The had traffic guards to stop cars so you could cross street with horse to get to arena. Warm up arena was pretty small too. If they got 400 entries per race like they wanted the warm up would have been pretty bad in my opinion | |
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| Texas Tornado - 2016-12-14 7:25 PM
I went to race. Ground was good and it was run well, however I probably would not go back. Complete pain in the butt going back and forth from hotel to where horses are. If you care about your horse then you are doing that at least a few times a day to check on them get them out of the tiny stalls to at least handwalk etc... Plaza hotel where they include room for entry fee is pretty much a dump in my opinion. Plus downtown area and Fremont street is pretty gross as well. Nothing like the strip with the nicer hotels and not so much riff raff. Just my snobby opinion I guess. lol
^^^^^^^^ THIS.
Ground was okay but arena was tiny. Staff was great.
Stalls were tiny, hotel was not good, and that is a horrible part of town. We were parked up against the fence and saw at least 10 or so people a day standing right outside of the fence by our trailer shooting up. We carted all of our tack/valuables back and forth to the hotel room. What a pain!
One of the vendors at the trade show got robbed when she was bringing inventory from the truck to the booth. :(
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| The extravagant entry fee and minimal payout was a major turn off for me so I didn't even consider going. Reading the comments from people that went, I am even more thankful I didn't go. | |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | quickdraw - 2016-12-14 9:27 PM
The extravagant entry fee and minimal payout was a major turn off for me so I didn't even consider going. Reading the comments from people that went, I am even more thankful I didn't go.
I've now read both the good and the bad. | |
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Location: Wild Wild West | skye - 2016-12-14 12:51 PM I would not enter that race being from out of town! Leaving selling of a room up to the contestant!? Give the poor barrel racer a break!
I know several barrel racers that tried to sell their room, with no success. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Hot Rod - 2016-12-15 11:31 AM skye - 2016-12-14 12:51 PM I would not enter that race being from out of town! Leaving selling of a room up to the contestant!? Give the poor barrel racer a break! I know several barrel racers that tried to sell their room, with no success.
Their rooms were like $36.00 a night during the NFR last year. | |
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