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| barrelracer1983 - 2016-12-15 2:47 PM Nevertooold - 2016-12-15 12:27 PM Right out of the box the American weren't following their own rules so I said it was nothing but a Dog and Pony Show.
IMHO The only reason they have qualifiers is to fill their own pockets.
You weren't the only one who said that.
True but qualifiers have made big bucks winning in other events. Everyone knows the deal before they enter. I like the idea of the American and have loved watching it. They just need to keep it simple though top five from WPRA /ERA make it, last year's champion and maybe one pick of their choice. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | barrelracer1983 - 2016-12-15 2:40 PM I have not liked the whole thing from day one.
I think it is a great concept and is exciting to watch but they shot themselves in the foot when they didn't have good rules in place and then didn't follow the rules they had. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 3:28 PM
barrelracer1983 - 2016-12-15 2:47 PM Nevertooold - 2016-12-15 12:27 PM Right out of the box the American weren't following their own rules so I said it was nothing but a Dog and Pony Show.
IMHO The only reason they have qualifiers is to fill their own pockets.
 You weren't the only one who said that.
I agree. I love the concept of it.
For conversation sake, I do think if you make the invitee list, you go under that spot. Not a rock being thrown at anyone specific as I know their are rumors that Kassie chose to opt out of her spot but I think if you are in the top 5 for an organization that is invited, you take that invite or opt out altogether.
With that said, I do think keeping it simple like you suggested would be the best way. Granted I am curious to know how long the ERA will be in existence. I personally liked it the way it was before, top 10 in WPRA and then a fan exemption and I even liked how they brought Charmayne in (I don't know what you want to call her - invitee, veteran, special guest, etc) and then the top 10 for the semi's obviously. |
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| chasendacash - 2016-12-15 1:50 PM
 I posted this in a response this morning on fb..... This is looking at it from the inside looking out. Those of us that actually own horses and pay fees to run them aren't the people filling up the majority of that stadium or buying those souvenirs. We don't have any money left after paying our vet bills.  : ) There is a lot of talent in the invitee-rodeo. Some of it gets there through the current qualifiers, some talents get there by way of cummulative performance history. Either way, there IS talent. One thing I like about the cummulative performance types... they are more than just 'the next big thing' and had a whole lot more than 15 minutes of fame. Now, if I can just win some free tickets we'll be going to see it! To me the basic line is that the money to put this on isn't coming out of a bunch of contestant's pockets or the local feed stores and truck dealerships. A bunch of it is coming from spectators and sponsors on a national level. It has to be rewarding on a national level. It has to have star power. It is entertainment for the masses, not dirt road rodeo that we all love, understand, know the players, etc. Please remember that the qualifiers were open to any and all who wished to be there.
Ummmm, contestants are putting in a big part of the money coming from entry fees. At $500 per entry, how many entries are made at the all of the qualifiers? Start doing the math. Not saying that is wrong but folks seem to miss that bit. |
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Location: lost in missouri | Michelle had on her facebook page a link to go vote for the top ten. So the American wasnt taking the top ten from the NFR the fans had to vote in from the top NFR girls. So maybe that is how some NFR racers got in while other NFR racers didnt. It wasnt the top ten automatically make it this year. Fan voted this year instead. |
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| redracinmo - 2016-12-16 9:48 AM
 Michelle had on her facebook page a link to go vote for the top ten. So the American wasnt taking the top ten from the NFR the fans had to vote in from the top NFR girls. So maybe that is how some NFR racers got in while other NFR racers didnt. It wasnt the top ten automatically make it this year. Fan voted this year instead.
I was told that the fan votes didn't actually count - they just wanted people to vote so they could see who was the most popular - and then they made the final decision. |
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Location: Illinois | barrelracer1983 - 2016-12-15 2:40 PM
I have not liked the whole thing from day one.
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Location: south central usa | stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:05 AM
1DSoon - 2016-12-15 8:49 AM
stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:45 AM Calangelo - 2016-12-15 8:35 AM firewaterfuelsme - 2016-12-15 8:18 AM I just can't get past Tuff Cooper being invited. Makes me question the integrity of The American....Randy you are missed by the fans! I think all professional rodeo associations should ban him, and the other two that colluded with him, for life. I don't think there's anything worse a competitor can do than what they did. JMO. I am a fan of Tuf Cooper, by no means a die-hard fan. But has anyone actually seen any of the affidavits or anything from that court case? From my understanding there was a hush hush settlement and no details are known (unless I missed something ). So maybe there is more to the story and more to why Tuf was invited back. Just saying, we weren't provided all the facts. Â
See... as someone who works in the legal field... I have a really hard time taking anything I see on social media to heart without seeing the actual documents. The only think I can confirm is the fact that he was accused of it and it is now settled.
This is the only FACT I know. But it wouldn't matter if this was Tuf or something I don't know from adam. My feelings would remain the same.
here is the most informative article I've seen...
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/articl...
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| redracinmo - 2016-12-16 8:48 AM
 Michelle had on her facebook page a link to go vote for the top ten. So the American wasnt taking the top ten from the NFR the fans had to vote in from the top NFR girls. So maybe that is how some NFR racers got in while other NFR racers didnt. It wasnt the top ten automatically make it this year. Fan voted this year instead.
The fan voting had nothing to do with it. They didn't use the fan voting at all. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | in looking at this from a 20K' perspective I think what you had with the whole "fan vote" fiasco was a very clever way to drive web site hits.
It had to increase their site activity exponentially for that 2-3 week period. If it increased it enough that could equate to dollars.
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Location: lone star state | Amy Wilson posted on social media bad attention is better than no attention. She said it jokingly so don't take it out of context without the entire 200+ comment post.... |
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Location: The Great Northwest | To qualify for the American from the WNFR is the top 10 coming into WNFR or at the end? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | skye - 2016-12-17 10:27 AM To qualify for the American from the WNFR is the top 10 coming into WNFR or at the end?
It was suppose to be the top 10 after the NFR but when you don't follow your own rules, what difference does it make? LOL |
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | That was the article I read as well. I felt the FWST's reporting was good and they did see the legal documents. I hadn't thought about being invited back could be a part of the settlement, that's a good point one of the other posters made.
runnink - 2016-12-16 7:34 PM stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:05 AM 1DSoon - 2016-12-15 8:49 AM stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:45 AM Calangelo - 2016-12-15 8:35 AM firewaterfuelsme - 2016-12-15 8:18 AM I just can't get past Tuff Cooper being invited. Makes me question the integrity of The American....Randy you are missed by the fans! I think all professional rodeo associations should ban him, and the other two that colluded with him, for life. I don't think there's anything worse a competitor can do than what they did. JMO. I am a fan of Tuf Cooper, by no means a die-hard fan. But has anyone actually seen any of the affidavits or anything from that court case? From my understanding there was a hush hush settlement and no details are known (unless I missed something ). So maybe there is more to the story and more to why Tuf was invited back. Just saying, we weren't provided all the facts.
 See... as someone who works in the legal field... I have a really hard time taking anything I see on social media to heart without seeing the actual documents. The only think I can confirm is the fact that he was accused of it and it is now settled. This is the only FACT I know. But it wouldn't matter if this was Tuf or something I don't know from adam. My feelings would remain the same. here is the most informative article I've seen... http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/articl...
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| Calangelo - 2016-12-17 1:36 PM That was the article I read as well. I felt the FWST's reporting was good and they did see the legal documents. I hadn't thought about being invited back could be a part of the settlement, that's a good point one of the other posters made. runnink - 2016-12-16 7:34 PM stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:05 AM 1DSoon - 2016-12-15 8:49 AM stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:45 AM Calangelo - 2016-12-15 8:35 AM firewaterfuelsme - 2016-12-15 8:18 AM I just can't get past Tuff Cooper being invited. Makes me question the integrity of The American....Randy you are missed by the fans! I think all professional rodeo associations should ban him, and the other two that colluded with him, for life. I don't think there's anything worse a competitor can do than what they did. JMO. I am a fan of Tuf Cooper, by no means a die-hard fan. But has anyone actually seen any of the affidavits or anything from that court case? From my understanding there was a hush hush settlement and no details are known (unless I missed something ). So maybe there is more to the story and more to why Tuf was invited back. Just saying, we weren't provided all the facts. See... as someone who works in the legal field... I have a really hard time taking anything I see on social media to heart without seeing the actual documents. The only think I can confirm is the fact that he was accused of it and it is now settled. This is the only FACT I know. But it wouldn't matter if this was Tuf or something I don't know from adam. My feelings would remain the same. here is the most informative article I've seen... http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/articl...
This is the information that makes me skeptical unless I knew more facts. I try not to judge without being informed. At some point, the Arlington Police Department looked into the incident, but the investigation was closed for lack of witness cooperation, said Lt. Chris Cook, police spokesman.Rick Hagen, the attorney for Moore, could only release this comment: “The parties have resolved this dispute to each party’s satisfaction.”Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/articl... |
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| My jaw hit the floor when they announced the list! Most of them I understood the reasoning but Mary Walker? Not to take away from her qualifications but this year there seemed to be better options. I couldn't believe Sarah wasn't competing! |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | I'mlost - 2016-12-17 1:51 AM
My jaw hit the floor when they announced the list! Most of them I understood the reasoning but Mary Walker? Not to take away from her qualifications but this year there seemed to be better options. I couldn't believe Sarah wasn't competing!
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