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Location: Montana | Opinions on the Reinsman Charmayne James C11 saddle? I have heard very mixed reviews about the Reinsman saddles, mostly in regards to quality. Some have told me their quality is as good as Martin or Double J, and others not. I haven't seen one up close, but we don't have a dealer nearby.
And while I have your attention, what is the difference between the Double J #10 tree and the #11 tree? Thanks!
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I've emailed a rep at Double J for an answer to your question. Waiting for a response.
I would spend the 2-2500 on another saddle brand. I'm not too impressed with the quality of Reinsman leather. But again, it's cheaper made saddle with a tree endorsed by a big name. Therefore I feel it is overpriced by about 1k just because of the name that endorses it.
Of the three Martin has the better leather. Double J leather is very stiff and very cardboard like. Martin is buttery soft and smooth and is a higher grain and quality than the other two mentioned. Reinsman leather feels like plastic to me...
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Location: Montana | IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-13 10:25 AM I've emailed a rep at Double J for an answer to your question. Waiting for a response.
I would spend the 2-2500 on another saddle brand. I'm not too impressed with the quality of Reinsman leather. But again, it's cheaper made saddle with a tree endorsed by a big name. Therefore I feel it is overpriced by about 1k just because of the name that endorses it.
Of the three Martin has the better leather. Double J leather is very stiff and very cardboard like. Martin is buttery soft and smooth and is a higher grain and quality than the other two mentioned. Reinsman leather feels like plastic to me...
Will update when I hear back from the rep at Double J. I emailed Double J too...I got a response that said they were out of the office until Monday.
Thanks for the opinions! :) I'd really like to visit a dealer for each of the brands so I can see, but there aren't any local. I believe you about Martin. I worry about their trees fitting, because of all the different gullet widths, etc., and I've had good luck with Circle Y saddles fitting, so since Reinsman is owned by Circle Y I think they would fit but I have heard a lot of different opinions about quality. I had one older Double J and it fit nothing, so I worry about them too, but I need to find a saddle to fit this one horse of mine so I am keeping my options open!
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| I have a Reinsman ladies roper and I love that saddle. I feel it is a very well made saddle. My only problem is that I don't own two of them!
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | mtcanchazer - 2017-01-13 12:56 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-13 10:25 AM I've emailed a rep at Double J for an answer to your question. Waiting for a response.
I would spend the 2-2500 on another saddle brand. I'm not too impressed with the quality of Reinsman leather. But again, it's cheaper made saddle with a tree endorsed by a big name. Therefore I feel it is overpriced by about 1k just because of the name that endorses it.
Of the three Martin has the better leather. Double J leather is very stiff and very cardboard like. Martin is buttery soft and smooth and is a higher grain and quality than the other two mentioned. Reinsman leather feels like plastic to me...
Will update when I hear back from the rep at Double J. I emailed Double J too...I got a response that said they were out of the office until Monday.
Thanks for the opinions! :) I'd really like to visit a dealer for each of the brands so I can see, but there aren't any local. I believe you about Martin. I worry about their trees fitting, because of all the different gullet widths, etc., and I've had good luck with Circle Y saddles fitting, so since Reinsman is owned by Circle Y I think they would fit but I have heard a lot of different opinions about quality. I had one older Double J and it fit nothing, so I worry about them too, but I need to find a saddle to fit this one horse of mine so I am keeping my options open!
Forget about the gullet width entirely. That was a marketing scheme that worked. LOL
Look at the new BTR saddle by Martin and you'll notice there are only 3 widths for gullets. People started educated theirselves and now Martin can't market the wide gullets anymore.
I would spend my money on a Martin out of the 3 you mentioned. BTRs are easy to "get rid of" too if you find it doesn't fit. Start with a normal gullet of 6 3/4 with a quarter horse bar. Go from there as far as fit goes.
I know Teskey's gives you ten days to love it or send it back on new and even used saddles. Shipping is $45. So basically for $45 a saddle you can try one until you get the right fit you're looking for. After you find what treem fits, order one :) | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Response from Jimmy at Double J:
" Both are for horses that are high in the hip. #11 has more rock in the bar than #10. It usually fits a sway backed horse. Both are custom fits & you should have a saddle fitter help you to see if your horse needs one of these fits. Call us @ 1-800-669-2535 for more info "  | |
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Location: Montana | Thanks IRunOnFaith...I haven't heard back from Double J yet...hmm...you must have priority, LOL. I love the looks of the new Martin BTR...I also love the looks of the new Team Camarillo by Reinsman. I have available to me a year old used C11 by Reinsman I was considering buying and using until my horse completely finished filling out.
I have been trying to educate myself on bar angle...but many of the manufacturers don't divulge that handy bit of information...only whether it has a such-and-such gullet or it is Semi, QH, or Full QH bars (or wide or reg, depending on brand). It makes me frustrated, but I'm on a rant today with some government offices because one says one piece of paperwork is acceptable, and the other says it isn't...grrr.
Euchee: How old is the Reinsman you have? I have heard there is a difference in quality? I have also heard that Scott Thomas, that used to work for Cactus, now works for Reinsman...so I was hoping for the same quality saddle as the Cactus' were. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | mtcanchazer - 2017-01-13 2:50 PM Thanks IRunOnFaith...I haven't heard back from Double J yet...hmm...you must have priority, LOL. I love the looks of the new Martin BTR...I also love the looks of the new Team Camarillo by Reinsman. I have available to me a year old used C11 by Reinsman I was considering buying and using until my horse completely finished filling out.
I have been trying to educate myself on bar angle...but many of the manufacturers don't divulge that handy bit of information...only whether it has a such-and-such gullet or it is Semi, QH, or Full QH bars (or wide or reg, depending on brand). It makes me frustrated, but I'm on a rant today with some government offices because one says one piece of paperwork is acceptable, and the other says it isn't...grrr.
Euchee: How old is the Reinsman you have? I have heard there is a difference in quality? I have also heard that Scott Thomas, that used to work for Cactus, now works for Reinsman...so I was hoping for the same quality saddle as the Cactus' were.
Keep in mind, most manufactured saddles all have the same bar angle unless specified. The best thing to do is to find out what brand of tree is in their saddle. Go to the tree company and ask for specifics of the tree. If you don't know the exact angle you need tho you may be wasting your time.
If I was you, I would talk to a tree maker and ask for a custom tree. Then ask a company to build on your tree. Most manufatured saddle companies will build on your tree. I've done it many times. Teskey's was the company who builds on the trees I provide. Mainly because I like the customer service, the saddle leather is a reasonable quality for the price, and they are right down the road from my house. Dangerous I know. Super easy to work with. Good luck! | |
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Location: Montana | IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-13 1:56 PM mtcanchazer - 2017-01-13 2:50 PM Thanks IRunOnFaith...I haven't heard back from Double J yet...hmm...you must have priority, LOL. I love the looks of the new Martin BTR...I also love the looks of the new Team Camarillo by Reinsman. I have available to me a year old used C11 by Reinsman I was considering buying and using until my horse completely finished filling out.
I have been trying to educate myself on bar angle...but many of the manufacturers don't divulge that handy bit of information...only whether it has a such-and-such gullet or it is Semi, QH, or Full QH bars (or wide or reg, depending on brand). It makes me frustrated, but I'm on a rant today with some government offices because one says one piece of paperwork is acceptable, and the other says it isn't...grrr.
Euchee: How old is the Reinsman you have? I have heard there is a difference in quality? I have also heard that Scott Thomas, that used to work for Cactus, now works for Reinsman...so I was hoping for the same quality saddle as the Cactus' were. Keep in mind, most manufactured saddles all have the same bar angle unless specified. The best thing to do is to find out what brand of tree is in their saddle. Go to the tree company and ask for specifics of the tree. If you don't know the exact angle you need tho you may be wasting your time.
If I was you, I would talk to a tree maker and ask for a custom tree. Then ask a company to build on your tree. Most manufatured saddle companies will build on your tree. I've done it many times. Teskey's was the company who builds on the trees I provide. Mainly because I like the customer service, the saddle leather is a reasonable quality for the price, and they are right down the road from my house. Dangerous I know. Super easy to work with. Good luck!
Gotcha, thanks for the info! I've only ridden manufactured saddles, and have had decent luck with fit (different brands, the only one I hated was actually a Double J, LOL). Because she is a young horse, I'm a little afraid to get a saddle that is special made for this horse, because I know she'll change. And yet the saddle I'm currently riding her in rolls on her, so I need to find something. | |
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| IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-13 1:56 PM
mtcanchazer - 2017-01-13 2:50 PM Thanks IRunOnFaith...I haven't heard back from Double J yet...hmm...you must have priority, LOL. I love the looks of the new Martin BTR...I also love the looks of the new Team Camarillo by Reinsman. I have available to me a year old used C11 by Reinsman I was considering buying and using until my horse completely finished filling out.
I have been trying to educate myself on bar angle...but many of the manufacturers don't divulge that handy bit of information...only whether it has a such-and-such gullet or it is Semi, QH, or Full QH bars (or wide or reg, depending on brand). It makes me frustrated, but I'm on a rant today with some government offices because one says one piece of paperwork is acceptable, and the other says it isn't...grrr.
Euchee: How old is the Reinsman you have? I have heard there is a difference in quality? I have also heard that Scott Thomas, that used to work for Cactus, now works for Reinsman...so I was hoping for the same quality saddle as the Cactus' were.
Keep in mind, most manufactured saddles all have the same bar angle unless specified. The best thing to do is to find out what brand of tree is in their saddle. Go to the tree company and ask for specifics of the tree. If you don't know the exact angle you need tho you may be wasting your time.
If I was you, I would talk to a tree maker and ask for a custom tree. Then ask a company to build on your tree. Most manufatured saddle companies will build on your tree. I've done it many times. Teskey's was the company who builds on the trees I provide. Mainly because I like the customer service, the saddle leather is a reasonable quality for the price, and they are right down the road from my house. Dangerous I know. Super easy to work with. Good luck!
How would you find someone who makes trees? And what's the average price to do that? I have a horse who is so hard to fit...I've tried multiple quality saddles on him with no luck | |
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| There is a saddle fitting tool being sold by an Albertan company on Everything Barrel Racing Alberta, it costs 200 Canadian so that is like 120 American.
You put it on your horse's back and lock these pieces of wood into place (these pieces conform to the back)
Then you take it off and you can use the opposite side that was on the horse and put it on the sheepskin, and it will show you the deficiencies in the saddle fit.
I would suggest at looking at buying one if you don't have any saddle fitters around, as it seems like a fool proof plan.
Heck you could probably make some money at barrel races charging 10.00 to prove or disprove that the saddle fits the horse. | |
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| mtcanchazer - 2017-01-13 2:50 PM Thanks IRunOnFaith...I haven't heard back from Double J yet...hmm...you must have priority, LOL. I love the looks of the new Martin BTR...I also love the looks of the new Team Camarillo by Reinsman. I have available to me a year old used C11 by Reinsman I was considering buying and using until my horse completely finished filling out.
I have been trying to educate myself on bar angle...but many of the manufacturers don't divulge that handy bit of information...only whether it has a such-and-such gullet or it is Semi, QH, or Full QH bars (or wide or reg, depending on brand). It makes me frustrated, but I'm on a rant today with some government offices because one says one piece of paperwork is acceptable, and the other says it isn't...grrr.
Euchee: How old is the Reinsman you have? I have heard there is a difference in quality? I have also heard that Scott Thomas, that used to work for Cactus, now works for Reinsman...so I was hoping for the same quality saddle as the Cactus' were.
It is just two years old and I love it
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Location: Montana | cheryl makofka - 2017-01-17 12:21 PM There is a saddle fitting tool being sold by an Albertan company on Everything Barrel Racing Alberta, it costs 200 Canadian so that is like 120 American. You put it on your horse's back and lock these pieces of wood into place (these pieces conform to the back) Then you take it off and you can use the opposite side that was on the horse and put it on the sheepskin, and it will show you the deficiencies in the saddle fit. I would suggest at looking at buying one if you don't have any saddle fitters around, as it seems like a fool proof plan. Heck you could probably make some money at barrel races charging 10.00 to prove or disprove that the saddle fits the horse.
That's a great idea Cheryl! Thank you.
Euchee...thanks for the response. :) That makes me feel better. :) | |
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