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| I have a gelding that we bought who has been really run out on his hind feet, which was crushing his heels and making him stand camped under. We took some x-rays last Tuesday to find he had Negative Plantar Angles (wings of the coffin bone are lower than the front of the coffin bone). He is at a grade 1 so the vet said proper trimming was all he needed.
Has anyone else dealt with this and what did you do for your horse?
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | My good open mare has this problem, it is a conformation flaw with her. My vet & farrier have worked together doing radiographs and putting special wedge shoes & pads on her hind feet. My farrier builds my mare a buttress wedge shoe with a regular shoe & EquiLox. And then applies a pour in pad over her frog area to keep it from prolapsing. It has worked well for this mare, and she has won a lot. |
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| rockinas - 2017-02-06 12:51 PM My good open mare has this problem, it is a conformation flaw with her. My vet & farrier have worked together doing radiographs and putting special wedge shoes & pads on her hind feet. My farrier builds my mare a buttress wedge shoe with a regular shoe & EquiLox. And then applies a pour in pad over her frog area to keep it from prolapsing. It has worked well for this mare, and she has won a lot.
I asked my vet if he thought it was a conformation issue... he seemed to think it would be corrected once the angles were corrected.
The vet and farrier felt we didn't need to wedge (I'll try to figure out how to post before and after pics). I dont have any conformation pics - just his feet. I guess thats my fault for not paying closer attention. I am always learning! We will be doing x-rays each time we get ready to trim. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | My hunter under saddle horse has these in the back, also a conformation flaw. I don't shoe him, I think that is just masking the issue as does my farrier and vets. Frequent trimmings to bring his toes back and get his heels back under him have done wonders, and it didn't take that many trims. My gelding got sore over his hips from it. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | My mare has been like this since she arrived here as a barefoot 3 year old. She's 9 now. Her angles have never gotten any better, so the wedging and padding has kept her sound and feeling good. I futuritied her as a 4 year old and she ran 2 years of Derbys after that. I run her just at open races now but she is a solid 1D horse anywhere I take her. She is the only horse I have ever had that is weird like this in back, and hopefully will be the only one I ever have like this. LOL. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | rockinas - 2017-02-06 1:06 PM My mare has been like this since she arrived here as a barefoot 3 year old. She's 9 now. Her angles have never gotten any better, so the wedging and padding has kept her sound and feeling good. I futuritied her as a 4 year old and she ran 2 years of Derbys after that. I run her just at open races now but she is a solid 1D horse anywhere I take her. She is the only horse I have ever had that is weird like this in back, and hopefully will be the only one I ever have like this. LOL.
I agree to not wanting another, mine was not bad enough to need shoes thank gosh. If they won't grow any heel than wedges would be an only option. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Mis_Trev - 2017-02-06 1:11 PM How do you post pictures? I cant figure out how to upload them on here 
You can email them to me, I sent you an email :) |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | This is mine that I thought was terrible-first snow picture shows how he stood camped under. I took this just to show my vet. The last picture shows how he stands today. We would shorten his toes at every trim and just rasp his heels back-no nipping. every rasp stroke will bring that heel back. I didn't know it before but if they have the bars left in their foot and can also contract their heels in, so make sure those are nipped out.
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| Thank you - I just wasn't sure if I should be putting him on a supplement or any specific exercises that would help him not stand camped under.
He is my only horse so I want to make sure I am doing all I can for him. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | He's standing that way to bring comfort to his aching self.
I had a mare like this a few years ago. I shod much the same as Rockinas did. I retired her and now she's barefoot in the rear used in a Wounded Warriors program and those back feet are a bit better barefoot with frequent rasping. It was a genetic flaw that I duplicated once-no more babies for her! |
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Location: Arkansas | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-06 2:21 PM
This is mine that I thought was terrible-first snow picture shows how he stood camped under. I took this just to show my vet. The last picture shows how he stands today. We would shorten his toes at every trim and just rasp his heels back-no nipping. every rasp stroke will bring that heel back. I didn't know it before but if they have the bars left in their foot and can also contract their heels in, so make sure those are nipped out.
I am amazed at how big he is every time you post pics!!! Love him |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Chandler's Mom - 2017-02-06 7:13 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-06 2:21 PM This is mine that I thought was terrible-first snow picture shows how he stood camped under. I took this just to show my vet. The last picture shows how he stands today. We would shorten his toes at every trim and just rasp his heels back-no nipping. every rasp stroke will bring that heel back. I didn't know it before but if they have the bars left in their foot and can also contract their heels in, so make sure those are nipped out. I am amazed at how big he is every time you post pics!!! Love him
Thank you, that is my friend on him and she is 5'10" I think. I look like one of Santa's elves on him lol |
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Location: Arkansas | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-06 9:05 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2017-02-06 7:13 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-06 2:21 PM This is mine that I thought was terrible-first snow picture shows how he stood camped under. I took this just to show my vet. The last picture shows how he stands today. We would shorten his toes at every trim and just rasp his heels back-no nipping. every rasp stroke will bring that heel back. I didn't know it before but if they have the bars left in their foot and can also contract their heels in, so make sure those are nipped out. I am amazed at how big he is every time you post pics!!! Love him
I just love big horses. We have 2 that are 16.3 and about 1200 to 1300 lbs. And I thought they were nice sized til I saw your big boy!! |
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Location: Being pushed over the edge, NM | I had to repo a horse almost a year ago (long story, let a "friend" take advantage of me) and his feet were a mess. He was one sore puppy. His heels were under run and toes very long, he had "bull noses" on his hooves and some severe flares. It's taken this long to get his bars and heels back to where they should be. I don't know how bad yours are, but we had his coffins injected and have had a few sets of x-rays done to monitor his angles. Time off, proper trimming, and routine vet care to get him back up and running again, he's been making solid 1D runs in Texas and even won a couple jackpots. His issues were completely caused by an incompetent farrier and neglectful "owner," my vet said I caught him just in time, the soft tissue damage like DDFT and bowed tendons along with the caudal heel pain and damage to the coffins were right there coming down the line. He would stand with his back legs criss-crossed underneath him and his front legs splayed, his back was terribly sore and he even had huge "holes" in the withers from poor saddle fit. I have beat myself up every day for trusting a "friend" who nearly ruined him.
Correcting angles over time, keep his coffins well-supported, inject if you have inflammation, and make sure there aren't other points of soreness that would hinder him. I had to deal with the horse being underweight, having worms, poor teeth, and sore everywhere, it's taken almost a year but I am lucky to have good vets and a trainer to fix him.
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| Vanessa - 2017-02-08 2:22 PM I had to repo a horse almost a year ago (long story, let a "friend" take advantage of me) and his feet were a mess. He was one sore puppy. His heels were under run and toes very long, he had "bull noses" on his hooves and some severe flares. It's taken this long to get his bars and heels back to where they should be. I don't know how bad yours are, but we had his coffins injected and have had a few sets of x-rays done to monitor his angles. Time off, proper trimming, and routine vet care to get him back up and running again, he's been making solid 1D runs in Texas and even won a couple jackpots. His issues were completely caused by an incompetent farrier and neglectful "owner," my vet said I caught him just in time, the soft tissue damage like DDFT and bowed tendons along with the caudal heel pain and damage to the coffins were right there coming down the line. He would stand with his back legs criss-crossed underneath him and his front legs splayed, his back was terribly sore and he even had huge "holes" in the withers from poor saddle fit. I have beat myself up every day for trusting a "friend" who nearly ruined him.
Correcting angles over time, keep his coffins well-supported, inject if you have inflammation, and make sure there aren't other points of soreness that would hinder him. I had to deal with the horse being underweight, having worms, poor teeth, and sore everywhere, it's taken almost a year but I am lucky to have good vets and a trainer to fix him.
Thank you - I can't believe the difference in him standing this has all made. I didnt think it would be that significate, but it really has.
I am excited to get him feeling better! |
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