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| Has anyone had experience with bladder stones in their horses? What symptoms did you see? How did your vet diagnose? |
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Location: Texas | a really big sign is for you to see blood in urine after exercise. You can scope the bladder and see them that way. Also, probably transrectal ultrasound will give you an idea of what is in the bladder. |
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| Run n Rate on here did/does with her mare. She has a long standing post on here about it. It was/is very imformative. I think its on page 2 because she gave us another update. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I found that typically a horse with bladder stones often also has kidney stones. And that was in fact the case with my mare. The bladder stone was a symptom of the larger problem of kidney stones. She had never had what I would call symptoms until after a lesson she urinated straight blood. The girl I took the lesson from thought she was tying up but the mare had still been loping around as easy as could be. We treated her as a tie up issue, but then 45 minutes after I got home she urinated again and it was normal. Took her in, had her palpatated and they found the bladder stone. Had her ultrasounded a few weeks later, found the kidney stones also, the vets weren't willing to do the bladder stone removal at that time because of the kidney stones, she had several all in the left kidney.
Put her on Kidney herbs from Equine Natural care and some other natural remedies, Apple Cider Vinegar for one and 6 months later they agreed to doing the bladder stone removal surgery via Lithrotripsy as we knew she was not a good candidate for abdominal type surgery. The 6 month wait she started having to urinate much more frequently, we had a few instances of blood in the urine, got VERY uncomfortable urinating about 3 weeks before the surgery, straining , etc.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | My sister's gelding had them. She caught him urinating some blood. Had surgery done twice and is now urinating out of a slit that was made below his anus. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I thought they just made the slit there in geldings to go in and do the lithrotripsy....or break up the stone and pull the pieces out. Did not realize they are now leaving the opening there for them to urinate thru. Interesting!
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | run n rate - 2017-03-21 6:46 PM I thought they just made the slit there in geldings to go in and do the lithrotripsy....or break up the stone and pull the pieces out. Did not realize they are now leaving the opening there for them to urinate thru. Interesting!
It was planned to be that way. It was suppose to be temporary and became permanent. |
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Location: Texas | Nevertooold - 2017-03-21 6:58 PM
run n rate - 2017-03-21 6:46 PM I thought they just made the slit there in geldings to go in and do the lithrotripsy....or break up the stone and pull the pieces out. Did not realize they are now leaving the opening there for them to urinate thru. Interesting!
It was planned to be that way. It was suppose to be temporary and became permanent.
It's called a perineal urethrostomy. It's done for several reasons. One use is for horses with cancer on the penis, where a radical surgery has to be performed on the penis and they will not longer have an extension from which to pee from. In those horses, it is as permanent as can be. But it will stricture down in time and will require resection.
For other cases where the urethra is damaged but will heal, you can do a PU and give the urine an alternate route until the distal urethra is healed.
It makes me wonder if the horse had both bladder stones and stones in his urethra for them to do a PU. For anyone who raises show goats and ever had one blocked, they do PUs and other procedures frequently. Unfortunately for goats, the PU doesn't last as long as it does in a horse before it scars down. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | casualdust07 - 2017-03-21 9:28 PM Nevertooold - 2017-03-21 6:58 PM run n rate - 2017-03-21 6:46 PM I thought they just made the slit there in geldings to go in and do the lithrotripsy....or break up the stone and pull the pieces out. Did not realize they are now leaving the opening there for them to urinate thru. Interesting! It was planned to be that way. It was suppose to be temporary and became permanent. It's called a perineal urethrostomy. It's done for several reasons. One use is for horses with cancer on the penis, where a radical surgery has to be performed on the penis and they will not longer have an extension from which to pee from. In those horses, it is as permanent as can be. But it will stricture down in time and will require resection. For other cases where the urethra is damaged but will heal, you can do a PU and give the urine an alternate route until the distal urethra is healed. It makes me wonder if the horse had both bladder stones and stones in his urethra for them to do a PU. For anyone who raises show goats and ever had one blocked, they do PUs and other procedures frequently. Unfortunately for goats, the PU doesn't last as long as it does in a horse before it scars down.
He did have stones in his uretha also.
I'm trying to remember how long ago it was as I'm thinking at least 5 years ago.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | He looks a lot like my gelding <3
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| Is it common for geldings to also have stones in the urethra if they have stones in the bladder?
I have a gelding that has a sore lower back, often stands parked out for hours, tender flanks, doesn't drop to pee, sometimes pees in spurts. He has a bladder ultra sound tomorrow. Other ideas if I come up empty? He is ulcer free, EPM free, Lyme Disease free |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | turn3Nhome27 - 2017-03-23 9:02 PM Is it common for geldings to also have stones in the urethra if they have stones in the bladder? I have a gelding that has a sore lower back, often stands parked out for hours, tender flanks, doesn't drop to pee, sometimes pees in spurts. He has a bladder ultra sound tomorrow. Other ideas if I come up empty? He is ulcer free, EPM free, Lyme Disease free
I had a gelding that was doing the above and he also didn't have stomach ulcers. He had colonic ulcers and I got rid of them with THE GastroPlus.
Good luck tomorrow and let us know what they find.
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Location: Texas | turn3Nhome27 - 2017-03-23 9:02 PM
Is it common for geldings to also have stones in the urethra if they have stones in the bladder?
I have a gelding that has a sore lower back, often stands parked out for hours, tender flanks, doesn't drop to pee, sometimes pees in spurts. He has a bladder ultra sound tomorrow. Other ideas if I come up empty? He is ulcer free, EPM free, Lyme Disease free
its totally possible... all that grit will get passed down during urination, and the smaller stones will get pushed out. It's totally possible that they CAN have stones in their urethra, but if they did, it would be VERY obvious and it would be a medical emergency if they were fully obstructed. If they are able to pass urine, then there may not be stones in the urethra, or if there are, they are small enough to not block urine flow. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | casualdust07 - 2017-03-25 7:37 AM
turn3Nhome27 - 2017-03-23 9:02 PM
Is it common for geldings to also have stones in the urethra if they have stones in the bladder?
I have a gelding that has a sore lower back, often stands parked out for hours, tender flanks, doesn't drop to pee, sometimes pees in spurts. He has a bladder ultra sound tomorrow. Other ideas if I come up empty? He is ulcer free, EPM free, Lyme Disease free
its totally possible... all that grit will get passed down during urination, and the smaller stones will get pushed out. It's totally possible that they CAN have stones in their urethra, but if they did, it would be VERY obvious and it would be a medical emergency if they were fully obstructed. If they are able to pass urine, then there may not be stones in the urethra, or if there are, they are small enough to not block urine flow.
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When my mare first urinated blood she was not having issues urinating at all, nor over the next 4 months. It was at about the 5 month mark after diagnosis that she started straining to urinate. With her being a mare the bladder stone would act as a plug if you will when she would try to urinate, it would get pushed up near the opening of the Urethra and plug it, she was only able to urinate a little at a time and it was painful. After the bladder stone removal surgery they scoped her bladder and you could clearly see that urine was coming from both ureters that connect from Kidney to bladder so we knew that her kidneys were still functioning with that info along with the Bunn and Creatitine levels on her blood work. I imagine all of those tests are much easier on a mare than a gelding as far as scoping for sure.
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