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Location: Oklahoma | Before you say go to vet he has been to several different vets(very well known lameness vets) last couple years. And I always ask the question. So now I am asking here because I know that it means something and have seen other horses doing it to.
But my horse stands with one back leg behind him sometimes it is on toes sometimes he is flat footed (heel and toe touching on ground) Sometimes it is the left hind sometimes it is the right hind and doesn't matter if been rode or off for a week or so or even if not rode a couple months. Use to he would only do if you wasn't riding him. but now he does off and on when I stop him and stand still. This horse moves really nice. and stops nice and backs up nice.
thanks
Edited by Turnburnsis 2017-03-26 9:06 PM
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | might be soreness somewhere, hard to say. Any pics? |
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Location: Phoenix | Is he just cocking a hind leg? |
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Location: Florida.. | hard to say but if hocks are sore they do that..or just resting... |
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| I have a three year old that stands like that at the trailer, with his back legs almost crossed. He has no lameness issues and for him I honestly think he is just standing goofy for no reason. Not saying this is the case for your horse, but sometimes they have odd habits! Good luck |
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| The two that I have seen do that have an SI injury. Those won't usually show up in a regular lameness exam. |
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Location: Oklahoma | The leg is not resting or cocking on the side. It is stretched out behind. I am thinking that it will be higher up like in the si area or whorl bones. Something is going on this is not a habit or normal thing. Thanks I just know that this means something and was hoping someone had already dealt with this. I know it could mean several different things and all horses different. thanks again |
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | If you walked him through shallow sand would their be lines where he drags his rear toes just a hair? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Really need to see pictures of your horse standing.. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Im sorry but I cant post pictures on work computer. He stands with leg directly behind him bout a foot to foot 1/2 extended behind him. alternates the hind leg after a while. depends how far back he extends the leg if he is on toe or if foot is flat on the ground. This is not normal But I cannot find anything on the computer and I have seen some other horses standing like this not as much as mine and no one knows why. I appreciate all comments. thank you When I figure this out I will post :)) |
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| Turnburnsis - 2017-02-14 1:03 AM
Im sorry but I cant post pictures on work computer. He stands with leg directly behind him bout a foot to foot 1/2 extended behind him. alternates the hind leg after a while. depends how far back he extends the leg if he is on toe or if foot is flat on the ground. This is not normal But I cannot find anything on the computer and I have seen some other horses standing like this not as much as mine and no one knows why. I appreciate all comments. thank you When I figure this out I will post :))
A set of conformation pictures, left, right sides, rear and
front when he is standing posed and when he is extending
out behind himself would help me be more definitive. You
never mentioned his age and also his pedigree can sure
pinpoint some known conformation defects in different bloodlines
or cross bred with different event types of conformations.
MY GUESSTITUDE: ....>>>
Keep in mind a horse bears 2/3rds weight on the front end and
1/3rd on his rear legs when working or standing.
Frontend controls the turns and rear end controls the
propulsion and lift to allow the front end to be agile.
PROBLEMS: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From your description I think your horse is post legged and
may also have long pasterns which create angle soreness
problems from the stifle to the bottom of the feet. Not
to mention inside the rear hooves and ligament soreness
with arthritis setting into various joints, sore/bruised soles
of his feet showing the heel to toe standing you describe
.... and a problem locking his stifle.
This one thing can generate all of the above and deals with his
patella bone at the stifles. Horses usually stand on one locked
hind leg by using the patella to lock the stifle which uses no
energy or muscle action. When the patella does not lock
the stifle ... then you see them extend and shuffle from one
rear foot to the other to try to support their weight evenly
or relieve any soreness pressure due to not being able to
lock their stifles. The muscles get tired trying to stand and
the feeling of soreness increases so the more shuffle you
see going on and the further he extends his back feet.
This ligament/patella problem can be man made usually as
youngsters and used to be prevalent on race horses especially
on TB's where a vet would scrape the ligament at the stifle
if they showed any soreness or some thought it would extend
the horses stride. As a horse aged and continued speed events
were used this little item would come back to haunt them.
If you are buying a young horse try to get seller to show you
pictures as close to birthing as possible. This is where you
get to see the problems the baby will have later in life.
I want my babies to be standing straight up on their pasterns,
big flat knees facing forward, line from point of shoulder
to go thru the center of the knee and hoof with no drooping
of the pasterns front or rear. REAR... legs should line up
with the front legs and same when viewed from the rear...
a little bit of cow hock is OK .. rear will strengthen and
line up the rear. I also want my babies to show good
muscling and a balanced frame when born.
Pay attention to these scrawny, wobble kneed, knock kneed,
down at the pasterns front and/or rear, walking on pastern,
windswept foals, low in the front, narrow hipped, toed out,
toed in, crooked legged babies you see people put on
brag posts .... if you pay attention you will see the problems
these babies are going to have in the future.
Being stick legged means .. if you drop a line straight down from
his buttocks, you will find his hocks and feet are up under his
hip which is the 2nd item that can cause the above problems.
Stick legged usually comes with straight pasterns but if long
pasterns are present it complicates the problem and seriousness
of longevity as a hard working horse even more.
Don't confuse this with being sickle hocked.
If my guess is correct .. the soreness your horse is feeling is on
the front sides of his rear legs at the stifle, hocks, knees, ankles,
pastern tendons and hoof soreness. Keep in mind soreness
travels downward towards the feet in horses and humans!!
He is not going to have any flinch reactions in these spots
until arthritis makes one spot more inflamed than the
spot where it all started ... lower you go on the leg the
more concentrated the pain will become as the horse
ages.
There is no magic pill and surgery on the patella is a shot
in the dark due to the wear and tear on that area.
All you can do is keep him healthy and since he is a seasoned
horse and needs no pattern work .. keep him legged up
with some easy pasture riding.
If he can't handle the easy riding ... riding him at an event
is asking for more problems much quicker.
If you decide to use some bute before a show ... for the
horses sake ... bute him for 2-3 days after the event to
lessen his misery with after effects ...
GOOD LUCK ... your horse is depending on you..
AFTER ALL OF THIS TYPING .... WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF HE HAD
A BEAN IN HIS DIDDLEDOO ??!! ...
HAVE HIM CHECKED AND CLEANED
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2017-02-14 3:36 AM
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Location: Oklahoma | Haha! Thanks so much! This definitely makes sense. And I will get checked out! He is between 8-10 yrs old is papered but I have short memory on age. I raised him since he was born. Never been on track. Never been scraped. Would blistering not help this? It was one of the things I was gonna check into I wish it was as simple as having a bean! But he is clean. :)). Thank you for all your typing. I am always willing to learn! Oh he is QH with some TB |
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| Turnburnsis - 2017-02-14 6:33 AM
Haha! Thanks so much! This definitely makes sense. And I will get checked out! He is between 8-10 yrs old is papered but I have short memory on age. I raised him since he was born. Never been on track. Never been scraped. Would blistering not help this? It was one of the things I was gonna check into I wish it was as simple as having a bean! But he is clean. :)). Thank you for all your typing. I am always willing to learn! Oh he is QH with some TB
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NO BLISTERING ...
That is his problem now ... the patella is worn and slack in the ligament ..
will not allow him to lock up his rear legs ..
all blistering will do is misalign his stifles .... and change all the angles in
his back legs and worsen the situation ..
You can add muscle and fat ....
BUT You can't change a horse's conformation .....
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| Agree with BARRELHORSE USA on the conformational aspect but if that checks out, I would look into PSSM. Type 2 is showing up more and more in barrel horse breeding and has been shown to cause hind end lameness (among almost every other behavioral/performance issue you can think of). Many TB's are also carriers of the P3 (MFM) gene which has it's own set of symptoms - many of which are similar to P2. They say symptoms usually appear around the age of your gelding, although every horse is unique.
Just a note, some of the highly suspected carriers of the P2 gene are JET DECK, Peppy San Badger and Sonny Dee Bar. And for the P3/MFM gene is Nasrullah. More information is being gathered daily with the hair testing now being available for the other variants, rather than a muscle biopsy. With these affected genes being dominate, they will not be diluted over time - so even if an positive horse is 10+ generations back, your horse still has a chance of being positive.
One of the best resources for information on these genetic diseases is the Facebook group "PSSM Forum", it is full of knowledgable, helpful, caring individuals who are willing to assist in any way they can.
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Location: Oklahoma | An Update: Good news stifles are good! and was directed to look at the front instead of the back end. I believe it is TMJ! He has always been sore in tmj last two years. I have had body work and chiro look at and none seem to help him and because he had other issues I would get sidetrack from the tmj. I broke down and had his tmj injected and he is stronger in the back end and standing way better! Not standing near as much with alternative back leg behind him but still some. I am in contact with a different teeth guy to get another opinion on teeth and I can tell he knows bout tmj! Not very many people know how to help the tmj! and then I will get with my guy that does osteopathic and have him work on my horse. Praying with these combo that this may clear up my back end issues! by the way just because the horse eats right doesn't mean they are not sore in the tmj I feel really bad I should never have gotten sidetracked on his tmj! |
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Location: Arkansas | Hope this is the problem and not something terrible. And that you get him lined out quickly so he (and you!) feel better! |
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