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Location: Loco,Ok | Counter arch if look at it. Stops forward motion. You have to keep a horses feet moving forward while maintaining control. I learned this from cutter and calf horses.
They have to run all the way. What horse starts is a bit of a lean.in..Lead with shoulder to the barrel. I teach all to stay.balanced under me. Balance the withers.
It's hard to explain. I teach it from.beginning. Take the barrel out of horses way. Take the Pressure of the turn itself away.. Both rider and horse. Relax and settle at turn. Use feet more than your hands. Support your feet with your hands. | |
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| clampitt - 2017-04-06 11:47 AM Counter arch if look at it. Stops forward motion. You have to keep a horses feet moving forward while maintaining control. I learned this from cutter and calf horses. They have to run all the way. What horse starts is a bit of a lean.in..Lead with shoulder to the barrel. I teach all to stay.balanced under me. Balance the withers. It's hard to explain. I teach it from.beginning. Take the barrel out of horses way. Take the Pressure of the turn itself away.. Both rider and horse. Relax and settle at turn. Use feet more than your hands. Support your feet with your hands.
Thank you for the response - I will try counter arching.
One more question - I went away from rating her (almost at all) before the barrel because she would shut down so bad. But when I add speed, she is blowing by the barrel and coming really wide (because she is not collecting). Do you have any advice about where and how to rate this type of horse?
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Location: USA | streakysox - 2017-04-06 12:35 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-05 1:54 PM streakysox - 2017-04-05 1:49 PM First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running. My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen. Gallop a horse for an hour? That seems extensive. Or do you mean lope? No, I do not mean lope. To me lope is a western pleasure gate. Here is a video of horses galloping at Santa Anita. I quit watching where it says DAVID WRAPPING LEGS. Watch the horses on the inside rail. They are galloping. There is one horse that is actually breezing but the rest are galloping. (It would be the fast one ). I looked at several videos and this was the best to illustrate galloping. If the sand in your arena is too deep go gallop somewhere else. You cannot get the horse to stride out if you keep them in shape loping around.
I guess different terms mean different things depending on where you live. I'd never classify the western pleasure lope as an actual lope. Sure, it's a 3 beat gait, but those horses look pathetic and like they have no forward motion.
these horses galloping at santa Anita, are they thoroughbreds?
To me, a breeze is a gallop. She sprints and is able to stride out. | |
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streakysox - 2017-04-06 12:35 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-05 1:54 PM streakysox - 2017-04-05 1:49 PM First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running. My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen. Gallop a horse for an hour? That seems extensive. Or do you mean lope? No, I do not mean lope. To me lope is a western pleasure gate. Here is a video of horses galloping at Santa Anita. I quit watching where it says DAVID WRAPPING LEGS. Watch the horses on the inside rail. They are galloping. There is one horse that is actually breezing but the rest are galloping. (It would be the fast one ). I looked at several videos and this was the best to illustrate galloping. If the sand in your arena is too deep go gallop somewhere else. You cannot get the horse to stride out if you keep them in shape loping around.
these horses galloping at santa Anita, are they thoroughbreds?
To me, a breeze is a gallop. She sprints and is able to stride out.
Those are thoroughbreds. Here is a video of Quarters breezing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKgn
Considerably faster than a gallop. On occasion we take our horses to the track and actually breeze them.
Perhaps this is what you consider a lope?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKg This is not going to teach the horse to extend. By the way, this is my trainer on another one of my horses. This horse was NOT at the level the horse my trainer is riding now for the record.
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Location: USA | streakysox - 2017-04-07 9:34 AM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-06 5:09 PM streakysox - 2017-04-06 12:35 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-05 1:54 PM streakysox - 2017-04-05 1:49 PM First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running. My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen. Gallop a horse for an hour? That seems extensive. Or do you mean lope? No, I do not mean lope. To me lope is a western pleasure gate. Here is a video of horses galloping at Santa Anita. I quit watching where it says DAVID WRAPPING LEGS. Watch the horses on the inside rail. They are galloping. There is one horse that is actually breezing but the rest are galloping. (It would be the fast one ). I looked at several videos and this was the best to illustrate galloping. If the sand in your arena is too deep go gallop somewhere else. You cannot get the horse to stride out if you keep them in shape loping around.
these horses galloping at santa Anita, are they thoroughbreds?
To me, a breeze is a gallop. She sprints and is able to stride out. Those are thoroughbreds. Here is a video of Quarters breezing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKgn Considerably faster than a gallop. On occasion we take our horses to the track and actually breeze them. Perhaps this is what you consider a lope? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKg This is not going to teach the horse to extend. By the way, this is my trainer on another one of my horses. This horse was NOT at the level the horse my trainer is riding now for the record.
Both videos are the exact same.
So you're saying a breeze is faster than a gallop? I thought the terms were interchangeable. I thought the definition of a gallop was a horses fastest gait??
I never said anywhere in my posts that a lope would teach my horse to extend. | |
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| I don't think all horses are confident in running with a rider. I've had a few that were blazingly fast in their field, but had to learn to really fire and run with a human on their back. I just sent one out to be finished that is one of the faster horses I've had and he is like this. His favorite thing is to run laps in his field here at home. Runs 5-6 laps around a 1.5 acre field, walks drinks, does it again. But he isn't firing between the barrels or even coming off 3rd yet. Trainer has a track and will be teaching him that running with a rider is fun! | |
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streakysox - 2017-04-07 9:34 AM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-06 5:09 PM streakysox - 2017-04-06 12:35 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-05 1:54 PM streakysox - 2017-04-05 1:49 PM First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running. My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen. Gallop a horse for an hour? That seems extensive. Or do you mean lope? No, I do not mean lope. To me lope is a western pleasure gate. Here is a video of horses galloping at Santa Anita. I quit watching where it says DAVID WRAPPING LEGS. Watch the horses on the inside rail. They are galloping. There is one horse that is actually breezing but the rest are galloping. (It would be the fast one ). I looked at several videos and this was the best to illustrate galloping. If the sand in your arena is too deep go gallop somewhere else. You cannot get the horse to stride out if you keep them in shape loping around.
these horses galloping at santa Anita, are they thoroughbreds?
To me, a breeze is a gallop. She sprints and is able to stride out. Those are thoroughbreds. Here is a video of Quarters breezing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKgn Considerably faster than a gallop. On occasion we take our horses to the track and actually breeze them. Perhaps this is what you consider a lope? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKg This is not going to teach the horse to extend. By the way, this is my trainer on another one of my horses. This horse was NOT at the level the horse my trainer is riding now for the record.
So you're saying a breeze is faster than a gallop? I thought the terms were interchangeable. I thought the definition of a gallop was a horses fastest gait??
I never said anywhere in my posts that a lope would teach my horse to extend.
Breezing is galloping. Not sure what she's talking about. Theres a reason a quarter horse is named a quarter horse, they only run a quarter a mile. Running your horse for 45 minutes is a good way to kill them. | |
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One more question - I went away from rating her (almost at all) before the barrel because she would shut down so bad. But when I add speed, she is blowing by the barrel and coming really wide (because she is not collecting). Do you have any advice about where and how to rate this type of horse?
Just a thought.
If you are using a chain curb, and you think that is causing part of the over rating? Wrap the curb with vet wrap, try a different style curb, ex, flat double chain, or leather, to any thing in between . | |
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Location: USA | WinningPaints - 2017-04-07 8:53 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-07 7:56 PM streakysox - 2017-04-07 9:34 AM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-06 5:09 PM streakysox - 2017-04-06 12:35 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-05 1:54 PM streakysox - 2017-04-05 1:49 PM First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running. My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen. Gallop a horse for an hour? That seems extensive. Or do you mean lope? No, I do not mean lope. To me lope is a western pleasure gate. Here is a video of horses galloping at Santa Anita. I quit watching where it says DAVID WRAPPING LEGS. Watch the horses on the inside rail. They are galloping. There is one horse that is actually breezing but the rest are galloping. (It would be the fast one ). I looked at several videos and this was the best to illustrate galloping. If the sand in your arena is too deep go gallop somewhere else. You cannot get the horse to stride out if you keep them in shape loping around.
these horses galloping at santa Anita, are they thoroughbreds?
To me, a breeze is a gallop. She sprints and is able to stride out. Those are thoroughbreds. Here is a video of Quarters breezing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKgn Considerably faster than a gallop. On occasion we take our horses to the track and actually breeze them. Perhaps this is what you consider a lope? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKg This is not going to teach the horse to extend. By the way, this is my trainer on another one of my horses. This horse was NOT at the level the horse my trainer is riding now for the record.
So you're saying a breeze is faster than a gallop? I thought the terms were interchangeable. I thought the definition of a gallop was a horses fastest gait??
I never said anywhere in my posts that a lope would teach my horse to extend. Breezing is galloping. Not sure what she's talking about. Theres a reason a quarter horse is named a quarter horse, they only run a quarter a mile. Running your horse for 45 minutes is a good way to kill them.
Thank you!! I'd never breeze my horses for an hour. That's torture.
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That's where I was going when I asked if the horses were thoroughbreds in the video. You can't compare the two in regards to long distance running.
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Location: USA | roxieannie - 2017-04-07 9:39 PM
One more question - I went away from rating her (almost at all) before the barrel because she would shut down so bad. But when I add speed, she is blowing by the barrel and coming really wide (because she is not collecting). Do you have any advice about where and how to rate this type of horse?
Just a thought.
If you are using a chain curb, and you think that is causing part of the over rating? Wrap the curb with vet wrap, try a different style curb, ex, flat double chain, or leather, to any thing in between .
I've tried that too =) I had clothesline rope as my curb strap for a while to free her up. It worked but do you think it affects the "lift" on a lifter bit? | |
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Location: Arizona | Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-08 9:31 PM
WinningPaints - 2017-04-07 8:53 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-07 7:56 PM streakysox - 2017-04-07 9:34 AM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-06 5:09 PM streakysox - 2017-04-06 12:35 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-05 1:54 PM streakysox - 2017-04-05 1:49 PM First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running. My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen. Gallop a horse for an hour? That seems extensive. Or do you mean lope? No, I do not mean lope. To me lope is a western pleasure gate. Here is a video of horses galloping at Santa Anita. I quit watching where it says DAVID WRAPPING LEGS. Watch the horses on the inside rail. They are galloping. There is one horse that is actually breezing but the rest are galloping. (It would be the fast one ). I looked at several videos and this was the best to illustrate galloping. If the sand in your arena is too deep go gallop somewhere else. You cannot get the horse to stride out if you keep them in shape loping around.
these horses galloping at santa Anita, are they thoroughbreds?
To me, a breeze is a gallop. She sprints and is able to stride out. Those are thoroughbreds. Here is a video of Quarters breezing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKgn Considerably faster than a gallop. On occasion we take our horses to the track and actually breeze them. Perhaps this is what you consider a lope? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKg This is not going to teach the horse to extend. By the way, this is my trainer on another one of my horses. This horse was NOT at the level the horse my trainer is riding now for the record.
So you're saying a breeze is faster than a gallop? I thought the terms were interchangeable. I thought the definition of a gallop was a horses fastest gait??
I never said anywhere in my posts that a lope would teach my horse to extend. Breezing is galloping. Not sure what she's talking about. Theres a reason a quarter horse is named a quarter horse, they only run a quarter a mile. Running your horse for 45 minutes is a good way to kill them.
Edited to add:
That's where I was going when I asked if the horses were thoroughbreds in the video. You can't compare the two in regards to long distance running.
Just to clarify, breezing and galloping your horses are the same only in the sense that they are the same 4-beat gait. But just as you can walk, trot and lope at varying speeds you can also gallop at different speeds; and that is the difference between breezing and galloping. Galloping is your slower paced, stamina and mile building work. Breezing is your short distance high-speed work. Same 4-beat gait, way different speeds. And even quarter horses can quickly build up to 3-4 mile daily gallops, some even farther if they are a lankier more TB-type build. Long, slow gallops are what build stamina and air, not breezing sprints. | |
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Location: southeast Texas | Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-07 10:33 PM roxieannie - 2017-04-07 9:39 PM
One more question - I went away from rating her (almost at all) before the barrel because she would shut down so bad. But when I add speed, she is blowing by the barrel and coming really wide (because she is not collecting). Do you have any advice about where and how to rate this type of horse?
Just a thought.
If you are using a chain curb, and you think that is causing part of the over rating? Wrap the curb with vet wrap, try a different style curb, ex, flat double chain, or leather, to any thing in between . I've tried that too = ) I had clothesline rope as my curb strap for a while to free her up. It worked but do you think it affects the "lift" on a lifter bit?
My horse I can work him with a super mild chin strap. With added speed it feels like he can choose to blow me off. When he gets like that I will work him in a chain chin strap then a milder chin strap at a JP. You have to play around to find the right combo for y'all
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| Where do you look when you run? If you are looking at the barrel or the pocket, your horse will shut down pretty quick. Try looking past your pocket, like at the panel/wall. If your eyes are up and looking past it, your body will naturally position itself to cue your horse to keep moving forward. | |
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| roxieannie - 2017-04-07 8:39 PM
One more question - I went away from rating her (almost at all) before the barrel because she would shut down so bad. But when I add speed, she is blowing by the barrel and coming really wide (because she is not collecting). Do you have any advice about where and how to rate this type of horse?
Just a thought.
If you are using a chain curb, and you think that is causing part of the over rating? Wrap the curb with vet wrap, try a different style curb, ex, flat double chain, or leather, to any thing in between .
Thanks for the idea - I will see if loosening it up makes a difference ! | |
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