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Location: Idaho | So a lady messaged me about her gelding looking for a trade on one of mine. She says he's 3D but doesn't have a whole lot of proof. He is pretty, looks like an appy with his coat, big 16.1 hh. I'm a bit unsure, she showed me a recent video of him loping the pattern, but has not run him in years, just playdays. Then shows me his papers from the Jockey club. Looked him up online as I was not familiar with his bloodlines.. Standardbred x TB cross!! I've never seen one of those let alone on a pattern. Has anyone ever seen this??? Crazy!! |
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| I do not think anything but thoroughbreds can be registered in the Jockey Club. Standardbreds have their own registry |
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  Ms. Marine
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Location: Texas | Just say no. |
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| If you like the horse, go for it, but make sure you only give him a grade trade value for yours, because that's what he is. |
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| I'm not sure how he's registered with he's a Standardbred x Thoroughbred. I run a standardbred but I'm working some tweaks out and haven't hauled her to a big show to see where she runs. I've owned two and once they learn how to carry themselves in a canter, they don't want to do more than a jog before cantering and they absolutely love to turn. |
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Location: Winging It in KY | I had a papered saddlebred that I ran barrels on in my teenage years. He was not gaited so I didn't have to deal with that. We didn't have alot of money to buy anything with barrel racing pedigree so I did with what I had. He could win a barrel race back when they were straight pay, no divisions. He had heart and wanted to please, so he didn't know he wasn't bred to run barrels. |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | A lady in our area runs Standard breds in contest classes all the time and she kicks butt. She has her main ride, then a back-up. Her daughter runs a Standard bred too. I only know her to do smaller, jackpot shows and some 3 D's races but she has been successful, as has her daughter. They race them for a living, then a few go onto other careers with them. I was so impressed the first time I watched her run and didn't even believe it was a Standard bred. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | If he's appy, he's not a standardbred or TB. If she has TB papers he would need to be DNA typed and match his papers very closely. Just me but I would be suspicious of that lady. Something isn't ringing true with this story. |
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Location: Idaho | OregonBR - 2017-05-23 10:55 AM
If he's appy, he's not a standardbred or TB. If she has TB papers he would need to be DNA typed and match his papers very closely. Just me but I would be suspicious of that lady. Something isn't ringing true with this story.
I'm right there with you!
So here is his pedigree I looked up..
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smoldering+tyrant
Notice the Dam is "SmolderinG Heart"
Then she showed me a pic of the pedigree with a same name, same sire, but instead of that dam then it was http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smolderin+heart , without a G, but I cannot find HIS pedigree on All breed, with that breeding.
She got very offensive when I asked if he was a standardbred or not. She said she would send me pics of his papers but she has not, nor provided better pics. The horse is colored like an roaned out appy, maybe a flea bitten gray.. but It's really hard to tell because of the picture she sent. I have a friend that has a horse with that type of coat, and he is a full blooded Appy. Really pretty coat, thick white blaze.
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Location: California | DashNDustem - 2017-05-22 11:13 AM OregonBR - 2017-05-23 10:55 AM If he's appy, he's not a standardbred or TB. If she has TB papers he would need to be DNA typed and match his papers very closely. Just me but I would be suspicious of that lady. Something isn't ringing true with this story. I'm right there with you! So here is his pedigree I looked up.. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smoldering+tyrant Notice the Dam is "SmolderinG Heart" Then she showed me a pic of the pedigree with a same name, same sire, but instead of that dam then it was http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smolderin+heart , without a G, but I cannot find HIS pedigree on All breed, with that breeding. She got very offensive when I asked if he was a standardbred or not. She said she would send me pics of his papers but she has not, nor provided better pics. The horse is colored like an roaned out appy, maybe a flea bitten gray.. but It's really hard to tell because of the picture she sent. I have a friend that has a horse with that type of coat, and he is a full blooded Appy. Really pretty coat, thick white blaze.
The thing with Allbreed is anyone can add a horse, real or not, on Allbreed. So although it shows the pedigree as a standard/tb, it doesn't mean that they are truly papered. I do not think Jockey Club would allow anything except a a purebred TB to be registered with them. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | DashNDustem - 2017-05-22 1:13 PM OregonBR - 2017-05-23 10:55 AM If he's appy, he's not a standardbred or TB. If she has TB papers he would need to be DNA typed and match his papers very closely. Just me but I would be suspicious of that lady. Something isn't ringing true with this story. I'm right there with you! So here is his pedigree I looked up.. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smoldering+tyrant Notice the Dam is "SmolderinG Heart" Then she showed me a pic of the pedigree with a same name, same sire, but instead of that dam then it was http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smolderin+heart , without a G, but I cannot find HIS pedigree on All breed, with that breeding. She got very offensive when I asked if he was a standardbred or not. She said she would send me pics of his papers but she has not, nor provided better pics. The horse is colored like an roaned out appy, maybe a flea bitten gray.. but It's really hard to tell because of the picture she sent. I have a friend that has a horse with that type of coat, and he is a full blooded Appy. Really pretty coat, thick white blaze.
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Location: Idaho | Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-23 11:26 AM
DashNDustem - 2017-05-22 1:13 PM OregonBR - 2017-05-23 10:55 AM If he's appy, he's not a standardbred or TB. If she has TB papers he would need to be DNA typed and match his papers very closely. Just me but I would be suspicious of that lady. Something isn't ringing true with this story. I'm right there with you! So here is his pedigree I looked up.. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smoldering+tyrant Notice the Dam is "SmolderinG Heart" Then she showed me a pic of the pedigree with a same name, same sire, but instead of that dam then it was http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smolderin+heart , without a G, but I cannot find HIS pedigree on All breed, with that breeding. She got very offensive when I asked if he was a standardbred or not. She said she would send me pics of his papers but she has not, nor provided better pics. The horse is colored like an roaned out appy, maybe a flea bitten gray.. but It's really hard to tell because of the picture she sent. I have a friend that has a horse with that type of coat, and he is a full blooded Appy. Really pretty coat, thick white blaze.
Well I don't now..more less making conversation, maybe making other's aware of the horse? Thanks for your input. |
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| *almost there* - 2017-05-22 1:22 PM
DashNDustem - 2017-05-22 11:13 AM OregonBR - 2017-05-23 10:55 AM If he's appy, he's not a standardbred or TB. If she has TB papers he would need to be DNA typed and match his papers very closely. Just me but I would be suspicious of that lady. Something isn't ringing true with this story. I'm right there with you! So here is his pedigree I looked up.. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smoldering+tyrant Notice the Dam is "SmolderinG Heart" Then she showed me a pic of the pedigree with a same name, same sire, but instead of that dam then it was http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smolderin+heart , without a G, but I cannot find HIS pedigree on All breed, with that breeding. She got very offensive when I asked if he was a standardbred or not. She said she would send me pics of his papers but she has not, nor provided better pics. The horse is colored like an roaned out appy, maybe a flea bitten gray.. but It's really hard to tell because of the picture she sent. I have a friend that has a horse with that type of coat, and he is a full blooded Appy. Really pretty coat, thick white blaze.
This is what I was going to say. Anyone can put anything on Allbreed. It is merely used as a quick way to show someone how a horse is bred. Its not a credible source. |
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Location: Idaho | horsiace1025 - 2017-05-23 12:00 PM
*almost there* - 2017-05-22 1:22 PM
DashNDustem - 2017-05-22 11:13 AM OregonBR - 2017-05-23 10:55 AM If he's appy, he's not a standardbred or TB. If she has TB papers he would need to be DNA typed and match his papers very closely. Just me but I would be suspicious of that lady. Something isn't ringing true with this story. I'm right there with you! So here is his pedigree I looked up.. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smoldering+tyrant Notice the Dam is "SmolderinG Heart" Then she showed me a pic of the pedigree with a same name, same sire, but instead of that dam then it was http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smolderin+heart , without a G, but I cannot find HIS pedigree on All breed, with that breeding. She got very offensive when I asked if he was a standardbred or not. She said she would send me pics of his papers but she has not, nor provided better pics. The horse is colored like an roaned out appy, maybe a flea bitten gray.. but It's really hard to tell because of the picture she sent. I have a friend that has a horse with that type of coat, and he is a full blooded Appy. Really pretty coat, thick white blaze.
This is what I was going to say. Anyone can put anything on Allbreed. It is merely used as a quick way to show someone how a horse is bred. Its not a credible source.
Didn't know that, thank you!! :) Yeah I think unless papers are provided, I think I will pass on this boy. |
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| What I am seeing on ALLBREED is a horse with two mommas and no daddy. Very interesting. Maybe a clone? |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Allbreed is fun and a great place to play. But it's only as good/accurate as the last person that edited the information. Do you have a copy of the papers of the horse? |
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Location: Idaho | streakysox - 2017-05-23 12:15 PM
What I am seeing on ALLBREED is a horse with two mommas and no daddy. Very interesting. Maybe a clone?
Oh snap.. you are right. Didn't even notice that! It definitely is MONDAY.. 
Maybe he is a clone? Didn't think they were cloning in 2004..?? Charmayne didn't clone Scamper until 2006.
And no, she stated she had to take a picture of them.. but never sent them to me.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | DashNDustem - 2017-05-22 3:33 PM streakysox - 2017-05-23 12:15 PM What I am seeing on ALLBREED is a horse with two mommas and no daddy. Very interesting. Maybe a clone? Oh snap.. you are right. Didn't even notice that! It definitely is MONDAY.. Maybe he is a clone? Didn't think they were cloning in 2004..?? Charmayne didn't clone Scamper until 2006. And no, she stated she had to take a picture of them.. but never sent them to me.
Cloning was around long before 06...
Even if she does produce papers I would ask her to DNA match the horse to the papers. I know there is a correct term for this but there's my backwoods take on what needs to be done if she provides papers.
I would keep all record of the conversationa and if she found you on a facebook site I would be sending all info the admins for suspicious activity. Get her banned. Most admins who are worth anything will also report to the admin only pages on facebook to discuss whether the member should be banned from all buy/sell.trade sites. Additionally any admin sho is worth anything on facebook won't add a new memeber unless they first check the admin only pages for the name of the person wantnig to join.
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Location: Florida.. | why would she clone a tb cross standerd bred .. id pass because highly doubt its a clone..  |
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Location: Phoenix | BarrelRacing4Christ - 2017-05-22 3:10 AM Just say no.
Hahaha but my thoughts exactly. |
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