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Location: Oklahoma | I'm not sure what I am dealing with and yes I am pulling up old threads and trying to read them all. My question is there now one test that will test for 1 and 2 or do you still have to do 2 separate test? Is there different diet for 1 and 2 or is diet pretty much the same? I pinned my horse up for a week because of feet and man everything changed for the better for him! His feet looks better! and he is moving really nice, no longer looks stiff or short on the back end. there is so much more and that is just a week! Not sure if its the high sel. in my pasture that is getting out of his system or if possibility of PSSM. I looked at the symptom list he has bout 10 of them! What's bad is I been kinda following but been told from 2 different vets that he didn't look or fit the profile.
How do I find out if parents have this? His dad is Royal Quick Flash. My horse is paint but solid. Cant remember his mama I will have to look at papers later.
This is my diet do I need to change? and if so to what?
1/2 pound Renew Gold
1/2 pound of Rice Bran
1 pound of beet pulp without molasses (before I add water)
1 (3 quart scoop) of the heritage oats (they are super fluffy so I don't know what they weigh but I know less than a pound )
1/2 scoop of Platinium Performance
1 pound of alfalfa pellets
1/2 flake of alfalfa hay from Arizone (I know I need to weigh but right now have no way to do it, but it is 3 string and probably weighs almost 100 pounds)
and prairie hay all he wants
This is 2 x a day
He is 16.3 hands
Thanks!
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Location: Willows, CA | Take out the oats. The rest of the diet is pretty much workable. Be sure the teeth are done. This is important for better digestion of the roughage.
The most often missed part of managing PSSM is exercise every single day. Rest or confinement is not your horses friend. Because of this requirement, these horses are not for everyone. If your horse is in fact a PSSM horse, there is simply no option or shortcut on the daily exercise part of the management.
I work with a lot of these horses, and most can have long performance life if both diet and exercise are managed. |
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| I do not believe there is one test. I believe you have to send off for two separate. I have been working with a mare that did not fit/look the bill at all.. but has been tying up. I tested for 1- through AQHA, and have sent off the biopsy for the second. The second is a muscle biopsy. Everything I have read/heard about PSSM from vets etc, they do not do well when being stalled. They need to be on turn out a majority of the time due to build up in their muscles from not being able to exercise as they would when turned out. I work directly with 3 vets on a daily basis, and they told me if my mare came back positive that the best thing for her would be to build a lean in my pasture, or a pasture out of the stall. Just another take on it. |
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Location: Silver Lake, MN | My mare had PSSM and she got 1lbs of oats 1x a day with her CurOst. She did much better on this program on anything else I had tried and it was 8 years of trying different things. No processed feeds for me anymore. |
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| If he had any of the pssm variations being stalled or in a small corral would leave him mostly crippled. |
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Location: MO | There are 2 different diets for pssm 1 and pssm2.
you can get a pssm2 test with hair but results take a long time but is more accurate at equisec.com
check out pssm forum on facebook. A lot of good info and help on there and diet is on the pinned at top.
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Location: Oklahoma | Thanks everyone! I should have elaborate more when I say that I penned him up it is just off the grass I have a stall with a huge run and gonna make bigger. Has anyone had any luck with the Kool Speed Collections that is supposed to be made for PSSM horses? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | There is a ton of information and help on the PSSM forum on face book. |
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Location: Eatonville, wa | So my gelding has type 1. I have been successfully managing it for a year. But it can be a struggle.
There are technically 3 tests you can do. The 1st one tests for pssm type
1. Through the company animal genetics, look them up online. You just simply pull hair and send it to them. Or you can have it done through APHA. I would get this done first.
The 2nd test you could do is a muscle.biopsy done by your vet. However thus will only tell you if your horse has an abnormality , not specifically pssm type 2, RER etc..
the third test is very new, and from what I understand can take a long time to get back simply because the company is very new. I think they said they ate able to pin down which genes the horse has as far as pssm type 2, PX, RER, etc..but don't quote me on that.
His diet looks pretty good. I would take out the oats, the alfalfa pellets are great. Generally staying with a feed with a NSC less than 11% is preferred. He is probably feeling better from not being in pasture. Grass can have a bad effect on some PSSM horses. And what works for one horse won't necessarily work for another.
If he does have PSSM type 1. He needs his diet to be 25% fat per day. I am not familiar with renew gold so not sure on the fat content. Works out to be about 2 cups of oil or equivalent fat supplements.
be careful with supplements, a lot of companies add fillers in form of sugar. Pssm horses really can't have extra sugar. Oil to stay away from are Corn (can cause more inflammation ).
* A big thing that helps is magnesium, helps with the Muscle soreness. Purest form you can get. Just start.out slow with it because it can give them diarrhea.
* Vitamin E, the natural form not the synthetic (synthetic is not as easily absorbed) the range is generally 2000 to 10,000 IU 'S a day. That's a big range but some horses are fine with the minimum others needs as.much as possible. You can't OD a horse on vitamin E (well in theory)
Does he tie-up?
How often do you work him?
What other symptoms does he have ?
Have you done a mineral panel on him?
A vitamin e/selenium panel?
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| I have three pssm type 2 horses. All are on a high protein diet but all three are fed a little it different. I have one that does not do well on any alfalfa. Mine are not sugar sensitive, so are fine on pasture. I'd definitely at least do the type 1 test through animal genetics, its cheap and fast and you will have a better idea what you are dealing with and what diet to put your horse on.
ETA: All mine were tested with the new hair test from equiseq
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Location: Oklahoma | newlifecowgirl - 2017-05-08 10:27 AM
So my gelding has type 1. I have been successfully managing it for a year. But it can be a struggle.
There are technically 3 tests you can do. The 1st one tests for pssm type
1. Through the company animal genetics, look them up online. You just simply pull hair and send it to them. Or you can have it done through APHA. I would get this done first.
The 2nd test you could do is a muscle.biopsy done by your vet. However thus will only tell you if your horse has an abnormality , not specifically pssm type 2, RER etc..
the third test is very new, and from what I understand can take a long time to get back simply because the company is very new. I think they said they ate able to pin down which genes the horse has as far as pssm type 2, PX, RER, etc..but don't quote me on that.
His diet looks pretty good. I would take out the oats, the alfalfa pellets are great. Generally staying with a feed with a NSC less than 11% is preferred. He is probably feeling better from not being in pasture. Grass can have a bad effect on some PSSM horses. And what works for one horse won't necessarily work for another.
If he does have PSSM type 1. He needs his diet to be 25% fat per day. I am not familiar with renew gold so not sure on the fat content. Works out to be about 2 cups of oil or equivalent fat supplements.
be careful with supplements, a lot of companies add fillers in form of sugar. Pssm horses really can't have extra sugar. Oil to stay away from are Corn (can cause more inflammation ).
* A big thing that helps is magnesium, helps with the Muscle soreness. Purest form you can get. Just start.out slow with it because it can give them diarrhea.
* Vitamin E, the natural form not the synthetic (synthetic is not as easily absorbed) the range is generally 2000 to 10,000 IU 'S a day. That's a big range but some horses are fine with the minimum others needs as.much as possible. You can't OD a horse on vitamin E (well in theory)
Does he tie-up?
How often do you work him?
What other symptoms does he have ?
Have you done a mineral panel on him?
A vitamin e/selenium panel?
Its been a long road. I got him two years ago. He was losing weight so I switched to different feeds. He did have an episode one time that he couldn't move forward in pasture. When you ride him he acts like an ulcer horse pins his ears back and constantly turning his head to your boot like he gonna bite so I treated for ulcers and I gave him a year off to be just a horse since he came from the track. I thought all this was also due to his feet so pulled shoes also. He has had good days and bad days. I get him feeling good and have a great exercise day and the next so stiff and not want to move and attitude. but he not a mean horse at all. I can get him to move pretty good on ground now that I am treating him like a PSSM horse and he is doing better every day since I pulled him off grass. Now I do turn him out bout 3-5 hours in the afternoon on grass and so far good. I am gonna give one more week before I put a saddle on him but I am excited I think he will be good and will work for me because the attitude is going away and ea day he is moving better and better.
another thing that he was doing is when you ride him it takes forever to get him to trot and lope but once I get him to he does pretty good but pins his ears the whole time like he is uncomfortable.
Now he is in my pocket all time! He greets me and wants you to rub on him. He didn't use to be like this, he would just be standoffish and not want you to touch him
I cant remember everything.
but when I went back and started reading the threads it described him to the T There was like 15 symptoms listed he had bout 10
Like I said I don't know for sure but treating him like PSSM has sure changed him. So I thought If I need to change the diet maybe that would help even more.
Thank you everyone!
I did have a mineral panel done on my other horse He showed high in Sel. but not toxic. So that why Im not sure if its the sel. or PSSM that effecting him. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | newlifecowgirl - 2017-05-08 10:27 AM So my gelding has type 1. I have been successfully managing it for a year. But it can be a struggle. There are technically 3 tests you can do. The 1st one tests for pssm type 1. Through the company animal genetics, look them up online. You just simply pull hair and send it to them. Or you can have it done through APHA. I would get this done first. The 2nd test you could do is a muscle.biopsy done by your vet. However thus will only tell you if your horse has an abnormality , not specifically pssm type 2, RER etc.. the third test is very new, and from what I understand can take a long time to get back simply because the company is very new. I think they said they ate able to pin down which genes the horse has as far as pssm type 2, PX, RER, etc..but don't quote me on that. His diet looks pretty good. I would take out the oats, the alfalfa pellets are great. Generally staying with a feed with a NSC less than 11% is preferred. He is probably feeling better from not being in pasture. Grass can have a bad effect on some PSSM horses. And what works for one horse won't necessarily work for another. If he does have PSSM type 1. He needs his diet to be 25% fat per day. I am not familiar with renew gold so not sure on the fat content. Works out to be about 2 cups of oil or equivalent fat supplements. be careful with supplements, a lot of companies add fillers in form of sugar. Pssm horses really can't have extra sugar. Oil to stay away from are Corn (can cause more inflammation ). * A big thing that helps is magnesium, helps with the Muscle soreness. Purest form you can get. Just start.out slow with it because it can give them diarrhea. * Vitamin E, the natural form not the synthetic (synthetic is not as easily absorbed) the range is generally 2000 to 10,000 IU 'S a day. That's a big range but some horses are fine with the minimum others needs as.much as possible. You can't OD a horse on vitamin E (well in theory) Does he tie-up? How often do you work him? What other symptoms does he have ? Have you done a mineral panel on him? A vitamin e/selenium panel?
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Location: Eatonville, wa | Turnburnsis - 2017-05-08 6:48 PM
newlifecowgirl - 2017-05-08 10:27 AM
So my gelding has type 1. I have been successfully managing it for a year. But it can be a struggle.
There are technically 3 tests you can do. The 1st one tests for pssm type
1. Through the company animal genetics, look them up online. You just simply pull hair and send it to them. Or you can have it done through APHA. I would get this done first.
The 2nd test you could do is a muscle.biopsy done by your vet. However thus will only tell you if your horse has an abnormality , not specifically pssm type 2, RER etc..
the third test is very new, and from what I understand can take a long time to get back simply because the company is very new. I think they said they ate able to pin down which genes the horse has as far as pssm type 2, PX, RER, etc..but don't quote me on that.
His diet looks pretty good. I would take out the oats, the alfalfa pellets are great. Generally staying with a feed with a NSC less than 11% is preferred. He is probably feeling better from not being in pasture. Grass can have a bad effect on some PSSM horses. And what works for one horse won't necessarily work for another.
If he does have PSSM type 1. He needs his diet to be 25% fat per day. I am not familiar with renew gold so not sure on the fat content. Works out to be about 2 cups of oil or equivalent fat supplements.
be careful with supplements, a lot of companies add fillers in form of sugar. Pssm horses really can't have extra sugar. Oil to stay away from are Corn (can cause more inflammation ).
* A big thing that helps is magnesium, helps with the Muscle soreness. Purest form you can get. Just start.out slow with it because it can give them diarrhea.
* Vitamin E, the natural form not the synthetic (synthetic is not as easily absorbed) the range is generally 2000 to 10,000 IU 'S a day. That's a big range but some horses are fine with the minimum others needs as.much as possible. You can't OD a horse on vitamin E (well in theory)
Does he tie-up?
How often do you work him?
What other symptoms does he have ?
Have you done a mineral panel on him?
A vitamin e/selenium panel?
Its been a long road. I got him two years ago. He was losing weight so I switched to different feeds. He did have an episode one time that he couldn't move forward in pasture. When you ride him he acts like an ulcer horse pins his ears back and constantly turning his head to your boot like he gonna bite so I treated for ulcers and I gave him a year off to be just a horse since he came from the track. I thought all this was also due to his feet so pulled shoes also. He has had good days and bad days. I get him feeling good and have a great exercise day and the next so stiff and not want to move and attitude. but he not a mean horse at all. I can get him to move pretty good on ground now that I am treating him like a PSSM horse and he is doing better every day since I pulled him off grass. Now I do turn him out bout 3-5 hours in the afternoon on grass and so far good. I am gonna give one more week before I put a saddle on him but I am excited I think he will be good and will work for me because the attitude is going away and ea day he is moving better and better.
another thing that he was doing is when you ride him it takes forever to get him to trot and lope but once I get him to he does pretty good but pins his ears the whole time like he is uncomfortable.
Now he is in my pocket all time! He greets me and wants you to rub on him. He didn't use to be like this, he would just be standoffish and not want you to touch him
I cant remember everything.
but when I went back and started reading the threads it described him to the T There was like 15 symptoms listed he had bout 10
Like I said I don't know for sure but treating him like PSSM has sure changed him. So I thought If I need to change the diet maybe that would help even more.
Thank you everyone!
I did have a mineral panel done on my other horse He showed high in Sel. but not toxic. So that why Im not sure if its the sel. or PSSM that effecting him.
He definitely sounds like a pssm horse. But could be other things as well. If what you are doing is working , keep doing it. If he is still crabby with the saddle give magnesium and added fat a try.
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25% Fat ....in the total diet??
Yup 25% fat total diet. It's a lot, but the fat is replacing the carbohydrates as an energy source. Dr. Valentine is one of the veterinarians who recommends the added fat, she's been a major researcher in the pssm problem. |
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