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Location: MN | Been patterning a new horse and riding her to the rate spot and stopping and then proceeding around the barrel to finish the turn. Been doing this at a trot. Now I seem to be having trouble keeping her moving through the turn without her wanting to stop in her rate spot. Will she come out of this or what do you all suggest? |
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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | Im kind of having the same problem. My horse came back from the trainers in december of 2015 and we've been hauling together ever since. He now knows his job but is rating down way too much at our first and is costing us a lot of time, so much that i dont even have to check him anymore. I dont like it at all. He's too smart for his own good. So, im very interested to hear what others have to say! |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Quit stopping at rate point. Obvious horse knows what/where that is. |
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Location: MN | I am no longer asking her to stop. I am now asking her to go through the pattern and she is stopping on her own at each barrel....not wanting to travel smoothly through the turn. Do you think she will just come out of this with repetition? |
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| I have one.
1. I don't work the pattern a lot. I do work a lot on moving out and forward.
2. I shortened my stirrups, it's allowed me to use my seat better to push him past.
3. When I do ride with barrels, I like to lope around the outside of them, turning each one in a big forward moving circle, as many as it takes to get him focusing on me and what I'm asking him to do vs turning the barrel.
4. I like to ride well past the barrel, stop, lope a big circle away from the barrel, stop before I get to the barrel, then lope a big circle around it. Seems to stand him back up and again, get him focused on what I'm asking him to do vs just turning. |
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Location: North Dakota | Personally, this is why I don't like actually stopping a horse when coming up to a barrel. Rather, teach them to gather themselves up for the turn without changing gait.
How many months have you been training her to stop at the rate point? It could take that many months to un-train her to keep moving. Just keep working on it. She ought to come around.
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| My mare is super smart, like yours, and it was like being brake checked in to the turn with her rate points. I took two weeks (not straight barrel riding) of pushing her around her turns faster than the straightaways because I assumed she'd still rate a bit on her own when it came to a run. She's also super sensitive so I went with a hackamore because if I touched the rein with her myler snaffle, she rate hard. She rates a touch at a run but now we look like a hot mess at the moment. We are a lot more fluid into our turns, just overshoots the backside. I'll take that anyday |
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| Walk your horse and at the rate point, ask for a trot and trot around. After you leave the barrel, break back down to the walk, walk to second, at the rate point trot around. Do the same thing on third. |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | OhMax - 2017-06-09 9:40 AM
I have one.
1. I don't work the pattern a lot. I do work a lot on moving out and forward.
2. I shortened my stirrups, it's allowed me to use my seat better to push him past.
3. When I do ride with barrels, I like to lope around the outside of them, turning each one in a big forward moving circle, as many as it takes to get him focusing on me and what I'm asking him to do vs turning the barrel.
4. I like to ride well past the barrel, stop, lope a big circle away from the barrel, stop before I get to the barrel, then lope a big circle around it. Seems to stand him back up and again, get him focused on what I'm asking him to do vs just turning.
This! I have ridden cow horses and reject cutters all my life. This is a problem that I have run into on a ton of colts because they are too smart for their own good and are born wanting to stop and turn. I ride super short stirrups to be able to use my body and not my hands, and I spend a ton of time putting emphasis on going forward. It sounds dank like your horse naturally wants to rate, so now use that to your advantage! I trot and lope big circles around the barrels, all the while collected but still going forward. It's kind of a pain in the butt to have one that thinks they're smarter than you, but I'd rather beg them to keep going than pray they slow down when they get there! |
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Location: MN | Thanks for all the great advice!!! |
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| Ashley Lynn - 2017-06-09 9:05 PM
OhMax - 2017-06-09 9:40 AM
I have one.
1. I don't work the pattern a lot. I do work a lot on moving out and forward.
2. I shortened my stirrups, it's allowed me to use my seat better to push him past.
3. When I do ride with barrels, I like to lope around the outside of them, turning each one in a big forward moving circle, as many as it takes to get him focusing on me and what I'm asking him to do vs turning the barrel.
4. I like to ride well past the barrel, stop, lope a big circle away from the barrel, stop before I get to the barrel, then lope a big circle around it. Seems to stand him back up and again, get him focused on what I'm asking him to do vs just turning.
This! I have ridden cow horses and reject cutters all my life. This is a problem that I have run into on a ton of colts because they are too smart for their own good and are born wanting to stop and turn. I ride super short stirrups to be able to use my body and not my hands, and I spend a ton of time putting emphasis on going forward. It sounds dank like your horse naturally wants to rate, so now use that to your advantage! I trot and lope big circles around the barrels, all the while collected but still going forward. It's kind of a pain in the butt to have one that thinks they're smarter than you, but I'd rather beg them to keep going than pray they slow down when they get there!
But when they finally get it it is sooooo much fun to ride one that will scrape the paint off them! |
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Location: MN | Thanks!! I'm pretty excited about her!! |
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Location: Loco,Ok | Locked on the barrel. Just like a cow horse lock on.to a cow. You have to break the lock.
Many times the horse will start to step to the barrel running. Move in and hit it. Lead in the turn with their shoulder. Ride starts to rein off lift the horse and then drop the horse at the turn. Dive into the barrel. Break in lock. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I remember Clampitt explaining his break off drill and I realized it was pretty much what we did with my gelding when he would get locked on to a cow in the cutting pen and start getting "short" causing him to lose one. When I realized it was the same drill basicAlly and for the same reason I finally got my big mare who was super ratey free'd up in about 3 days and she went from middle of the 4D to hitting the 2D in a matter of about a month. |
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| run n rate - 2017-06-12 4:39 PM
I remember Clampitt explaining his break off drill and I realized it was pretty much what we did with my gelding when he would get locked on to a cow in the cutting pen and start getting "short" causing him to lose one. When I realized it was the same drill basicAlly and for the same reason I finally got my big mare who was super ratey free'd up in about 3 days and she went from middle of the 4D to hitting the 2D in a matter of about a month.
Would love to know the drill |
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Location: SW Washington | OhMax - 2017-06-12 2:43 PM
run n rate - 2017-06-12 4:39 PM
I remember Clampitt explaining his break off drill and I realized it was pretty much what we did with my gelding when he would get locked on to a cow in the cutting pen and start getting "short" causing him to lose one. When I realized it was the same drill basicAlly and for the same reason I finally got my big mare who was super ratey free'd up in about 3 days and she went from middle of the 4D to hitting the 2D in a matter of about a month.
Would love to know the drill
me too! |
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