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Location: Willows, CA | GLP - 2017-06-01 10:31 AM
BS Hauler - 2017-05-31 9:37 AM
They use these marketing tatics for people. There is no such thing as GMO oats, orchard grass, and timothy grass. So that means when they say they are useing NON-GMO this or that it is just marketing to the snowflake horse people.  Also they say they are using organic red clover leaf and blossom and also organic dandelions. That just means that they are in the field when they are harvesting the hay. Everything plus the weeds in the hay field are organic.
Thank you for explaining that. By organic, I thought they meant no pesticides or herbicides were used on the plants, is this wrong, too?
It is true that there are no GMO Oats being commercially grown. As for the Organic term, that is a different deal where legal labeling is concerned. In the US, just because something is grown without the use of pesticides or herbicides does not allow you to call it "organic" on your label. The coconut meal that we use in our product is organically grown, but because multiple growers produce the coconuts and they would all need to be inspected and certified, we can not use that term. On the label discussed here, to be legal to call it organic, the production, storage, and lot identity would need to be certified to be able to claim that on the label. Some companies are pretty good at providing accurate, legal labels. Looking at what is claimed for calorie and NSC guarantee, without more information, I am not sure that those claims are accurate. As I said above, this may be a good product for horses that do not have good teeth, or access to good roughage. At a max of $16 per day per horse as a complete though, it seems pretty expensive. | |
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| winwillows - 2017-06-01 11:56 AM
GLP - 2017-06-01 10:31 AM
BS Hauler - 2017-05-31 9:37 AM
They use these marketing tatics for people. There is no such thing as GMO oats, orchard grass, and timothy grass. So that means when they say they are useing NON-GMO this or that it is just marketing to the snowflake horse people.  Also they say they are using organic red clover leaf and blossom and also organic dandelions. That just means that they are in the field when they are harvesting the hay. Everything plus the weeds in the hay field are organic.
Thank you for explaining that. By organic, I thought they meant no pesticides or herbicides were used on the plants, is this wrong, too?
It is true that there are no GMO Oats being commercially grown. As for the Organic term, that is a different deal where legal labeling is concerned. In the US, just because something is grown without the use of pesticides or herbicides does not allow you to call it "organic" on your label. The coconut meal that we use in our product is organically grown, but because multiple growers produce the coconuts and they would all need to be inspected and certified, we can not use that term. On the label discussed here, to be legal to call it organic, the production, storage, and lot identity would need to be certified to be able to claim that on the label. Some companies are pretty good at providing accurate, legal labels. Looking at what is claimed for calorie and NSC guarantee, without more information, I am not sure that those claims are accurate. As I said above, this may be a good product for horses that do not have good teeth, or access to good roughage. At a max of $16 per day per horse as a complete though, it seems pretty expensive.
Thank you Win, I appreciate the info. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | BS Hauler - 2017-05-31 7:47 AM What would turn me off from it is all the talk of NON-GMO and Organic Marketing talk. It is just that MARKETING. They are going after the snowflakes with horses.
Agreed. Only one of the ingredients listed as non-GMO even has a GMO option and that's alfalfa. " Non-GMO Orchard Grass Non-GMO Alfalfa and Non-GMO Timothy Grass, Non-GMO Oats, Sunflower Seeds, Chia Seeds, Organic Dandelion Leaf, Organic Rosehips, Organic Red Clover leaf and blossom, Organic Probiotic, Trace Mineral Salt, Organic Selenium Yeast, Organic Zinc Methionate and Natural Source Vitamin E."
I see marketing gimmick. It's expensive hay with some seeds thrown in. You'd be better off feeding good quality hay/pasture and throwing your own seeds at them. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | GLP - 2017-06-01 10:31 AM BS Hauler - 2017-05-31 9:37 AM They use these marketing tatics for people. There is no such thing as GMO oats, orchard grass, and timothy grass. So that means when they say they are useing NON-GMO this or that it is just marketing to the snowflake horse people. Also they say they are using organic red clover leaf and blossom and also organic dandelions. That just means that they are in the field when they are harvesting the hay. Everything plus the weeds in the hay field are organic. Thank you for explaining that. By organic, I thought they meant no pesticides or herbicides were used on the plants, is this wrong, too?
Organic farming uses pesticides. That's the biggest myth around, that they don't, and totally burns my butt. | |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2017-06-01 12:53 PM
GLP - 2017-06-01 10:31 AM BS Hauler - 2017-05-31 9:37 AM They use these marketing tatics for people. There is no such thing as GMO oats, orchard grass, and timothy grass. So that means when they say they are useing NON-GMO this or that it is just marketing to the snowflake horse people.  Also they say they are using organic red clover leaf and blossom and also organic dandelions. That just means that they are in the field when they are harvesting the hay. Everything plus the weeds in the hay field are organic. Thank you for explaining that. By organic, I thought they meant no pesticides or herbicides were used on the plants, is this wrong, too?
I wish I had the money and know how to grow my own food for us and the ponies so I would know 100% what I was putting in our bodies.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Here's the deal tho--our food supply is safer than it has ever been. Make good choices about nutrition and don't be afraid of modern agriculture. All those talking heads and organizations trying to scare you are trying to sell you something. | |
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| Well bumping this back up. I'm going to try this feed for a month or 2. The ultium is just making my horses a little to high energy and this stuff is def a better option for their health ! | |
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