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| I got a new horse recently. The seller failed to inform me that the horse was a bleeder and when I asked her to take him back (without requesting my money back) she said she would send a vet out to put him to sleep. So this Monday I'm having him scoped and I'll be getting Lasix if he can have it and I already bought some breath right strips. Will also be getting him antibiotics and extra antibiotics for the future. But I'm curious as to which supplements I can get him. But as I'm researching supplements I've realized that there is a ton of different ones I can use which makes it really hard to pick. I would like to know which ones you guys use or have heard good things about. Thanks! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | StraightShatz7 - 2017-08-19 8:14 PM I got a new horse recently. The seller failed to inform me that the horse was a bleeder and when I asked her to take him back (without requesting my money back) she said she would send a vet out to put him to sleep. So this Monday I'm having him scoped and I'll be getting Lasix if he can have it and I already bought some breath right strips. Will also be getting him antibiotics and extra antibiotics for the future. But I'm curious as to which supplements I can get him. But as I'm researching supplements I've realized that there is a ton of different ones I can use which makes it really hard to pick. I would like to know which ones you guys use or have heard good things about. Thanks!
THE Equine Edge has a good one-Lung Function. See what the vet says, I am guessing from what other customers have told me that you will need to put him on antibiotics and rest him. Then some sort of meds-Lasix etc while you slowly bring him back into condition. |
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Location: Georgia | StraightShatz7 - 2017-08-19 10:14 PM
I got a new horse recently. The seller failed to inform me that the horse was a bleeder and when I asked her to take him back (without requesting my money back) she said she would send a vet out to put him to sleep. So this Monday I'm having him scoped and I'll be getting Lasix if he can have it and I already bought some breath right strips. Will also be getting him antibiotics and extra antibiotics for the future. But I'm curious as to which supplements I can get him. But as I'm researching supplements I've realized that there is a ton of different ones I can use which makes it really hard to pick. I would like to know which ones you guys use or have heard good things about. Thanks!
ForeRespiratory by ForeFront Equine. Also ForeRunner Paste pre run. I also use Flair Strips. My bleeder no longer needs Lasix due to this regimen. |
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| Klittle3 - 2017-08-19 9:27 PM
StraightShatz7 - 2017-08-19 10:14 PM
I got a new horse recently. The seller failed to inform me that the horse was a bleeder and when I asked her to take him back (without requesting my money back) she said she would send a vet out to put him to sleep. So this Monday I'm having him scoped and I'll be getting Lasix if he can have it and I already bought some breath right strips. Will also be getting him antibiotics and extra antibiotics for the future. But I'm curious as to which supplements I can get him. But as I'm researching supplements I've realized that there is a ton of different ones I can use which makes it really hard to pick. I would like to know which ones you guys use or have heard good things about. Thanks!
ForeRespiratory by ForeFront Equine. Also ForeRunner Paste pre run. I also use Flair Strips. My bleeder no longer needs Lasix due to this regimen.
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-08-19 9:30 PM
Klittle3 - 2017-08-19 9:27 PM
StraightShatz7 - 2017-08-19 10:14 PM
I got a new horse recently. The seller failed to inform me that the horse was a bleeder and when I asked her to take him back (without requesting my money back) she said she would send a vet out to put him to sleep. So this Monday I'm having him scoped and I'll be getting Lasix if he can have it and I already bought some breath right strips. Will also be getting him antibiotics and extra antibiotics for the future. But I'm curious as to which supplements I can get him. But as I'm researching supplements I've realized that there is a ton of different ones I can use which makes it really hard to pick. I would like to know which ones you guys use or have heard good things about. Thanks!
ForeRespiratory by ForeFront Equine. Also ForeRunner Paste pre run. I also use Flair Strips. My bleeder no longer needs Lasix due to this regimen. was your horse scoped after being on only supplements after a run?
I have never had him scoped, and I've never ran him. I'm not sure if his previous owners scoped him or not because they lied about him having this issue. He bled the first time I rode him when I tried him out. The bleeding was just a trickle, but he has been bleeding randomly ever since. BTW, I have not ridden him since our first ride.
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| StraightShatz7 - 2017-08-19 10:53 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-08-19 9:30 PM
Klittle3 - 2017-08-19 9:27 PM
StraightShatz7 - 2017-08-19 10:14 PM
I got a new horse recently. The seller failed to inform me that the horse was a bleeder and when I asked her to take him back (without requesting my money back) she said she would send a vet out to put him to sleep. So this Monday I'm having him scoped and I'll be getting Lasix if he can have it and I already bought some breath right strips. Will also be getting him antibiotics and extra antibiotics for the future. But I'm curious as to which supplements I can get him. But as I'm researching supplements I've realized that there is a ton of different ones I can use which makes it really hard to pick. I would like to know which ones you guys use or have heard good things about. Thanks!
ForeRespiratory by ForeFront Equine. Also ForeRunner Paste pre run. I also use Flair Strips. My bleeder no longer needs Lasix due to this regimen. was your horse scoped after being on only supplements after a run?
I have never had him scoped, and I've never ran him. I'm not sure if his previous owners scoped him or not because they lied about him having this issue. He bled the first time I rode him when I tried him out. The bleeding was just a trickle, but he has been bleeding randomly ever since. BTW, I have not ridden him since our first ride.
 I was asking klittle about her horse since she went off of Lasix and was only using supplements. Straight shotz hopefully you'll find a regime that will work for your horse. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | I would get your horse to a vet ASAP to find out why he is trickling blood all the time. That is not what a horse with EIPH does, they will only bleed after fairly intense excercise (run, race, fast work etc.) what your horse is doing is not "bleeding" like is usually discussed on here.
?Your horse could have a facial fracture, a simple allergy induced nosebleed (like people get) or he could even have a gutteral pouch infection that is getting ready to involve the carotid artery. Your horse needs to be scoped and possibly x-rayed ASAP, I wouldn't even worry about supplements until you know what is going on. |
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| Barnmom - 2017-08-20 8:58 AM I would get your horse to a vet ASAP to find out why he is trickling blood all the time. That is not what a horse with EIPH does, they will only bleed after fairly intense excercise (run, race, fast work etc.) what your horse is doing is not "bleeding" like is usually discussed on here.
?Your horse could have a facial fracture, a simple allergy induced nosebleed (like people get) or he could even have a gutteral pouch infection that is getting ready to involve the carotid artery. Your horse needs to be scoped and possibly x-rayed ASAP, I wouldn't even worry about supplements until you know what is going on.
Ditto, could be a possible lung infection but you are not dealing with just eiph. He may need a serious round of antibiotics or as stated above have an injury. You definitely need to get a good vet to assess what is going on. Good luck with him, you may find he just need meds and time to heal. |
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| U should def do a culture to see why he's bleeding cuz if it's allergies Lasix is not the way to go- I've got one that bled cuz of allergies I've tried several different things- but I started on forefront respiratory and that stuff is awesome within 10 days I seen huge improvements - in my daily riding he was before the supps breathing short rapid breaths sweating horribly bad and just looked like he felt aweful - within 10 days he was taking slower deeper breaths sweating normally and felt a lot better and his breathing rate was recovering much quicker where before it was taking him a long time to recover- its great products no fillers and very inexpensive- I highly recommend- I'm not a dealer but shelly hares is who got me to try it and she has had a lot of similar breathing issues as I did you can look her up on fb or me on fb and I can pm her # to u I don't check bhw very often so if interested I highly recommend and I would be glad to talk with you about my own personal experiences with this or the other products I tried - angie thompson |
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| Barnmom - 2017-08-20 8:58 AM
I would get your horse to a vet ASAP to find out why he is trickling blood all the time. That is not what a horse with EIPH does, they will only bleed after fairly intense excercise (run, race, fast work etc.) what your horse is doing is not "bleeding" like is usually discussed on here.
?Your horse could have a facial fracture, a simple allergy induced nosebleed (like people get) or he could even have a gutteral pouch infection that is getting ready to involve the carotid artery. Your horse needs to be scoped and possibly x-rayed ASAP, I wouldn't even worry about supplements until you know what is going on.Â
Oh wow! I feel stupid now. Hopefully we have not waited too long. The horse is 19 years old. Apparently he has done this all his life only when ran hard. But when I did the test ride it was hot and muggy and he hadn't been ridden in a long time. I did not ride him hard at all. And we didn't even do any patterns. He was cheap, $500 so I wasn't too worried about his capabilities as far as the patterns. But I feel stupid now for not having taken him to the vet sooner. It's kind of complicated but I sort of gave up on him and gave him to my barn manager then she told me it could be something that a simple medication would fix and offered for me to take him back if I wanted. So I decided to give it a shot. I should have had him to the vet days ago, and I feel dumb for not doing that. But at least now his appointment is tomorrow. But I'm not able to go with my barn manager to take him there. But I'm wondering if I should try to reschedule my day tomorrow so that I can. She is taking him to a race horse veterinarian who has a lot of experience with horses like this. He does have a hematoma between his two front legs, I wonder is that is an infection? It's squishy and moves when I grab it and try to move it. So should I do X-rays depending on what they see in the scope? Or just request X-rays anyways? Gosh I really hope that this is not something that he needs to be put to sleep for. At the least I'd like to be able to pass him on to someone who could enjoy him as a trail horse or something. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | StraightShatz7 - 2017-08-20 3:41 PM
Barnmom - 2017-08-20 8:58 AM
I would get your horse to a vet ASAP to find out why he is trickling blood all the time. That is not what a horse with EIPH does, they will only bleed after fairly intense excercise (run, race, fast work etc.) what your horse is doing is not "bleeding" like is usually discussed on here.
?Your horse could have a facial fracture, a simple allergy induced nosebleed (like people get) or he could even have a gutteral pouch infection that is getting ready to involve the carotid artery. Your horse needs to be scoped and possibly x-rayed ASAP, I wouldn't even worry about supplements until you know what is going on.Â
Oh wow! I feel stupid now. Hopefully we have not waited too long. The horse is 19 years old. Apparently he has done this all his life only when ran hard. But when I did the test ride it was hot and muggy and he hadn't been ridden in a long time. I did not ride him hard at all. And we didn't even do any patterns. He was cheap, $500 so I wasn't too worried about his capabilities as far as the patterns. But I feel stupid now for not having taken him to the vet sooner. It's kind of complicated but I sort of gave up on him and gave him to my barn manager then she told me it could be something that a simple medication would fix and offered for me to take him back if I wanted. So I decided to give it a shot. I should have had him to the vet days ago, and I feel dumb for not doing that. But at least now his appointment is tomorrow. But I'm not able to go with my barn manager to take him there. But I'm wondering if I should try to reschedule my day tomorrow so that I can. She is taking him to a race horse veterinarian who has a lot of experience with horses like this. He does have a hematoma between his two front legs, I wonder is that is an infection? It's squishy and moves when I grab it and try to move it. So should I do X-rays depending on what they see in the scope? Or just request X-rays anyways? Gosh I really hope that this is not something that he needs to be put to sleep for. At the least I'd like to be able to pass him on to someone who could enjoy him as a trail horse or something.
Don't feel stupid. Everyone learns at some point, and at least you care enough to take him to the vet. Scoping shows a lot, if there's something else that's causing him to bleed the vet will find it. If the vet still seems really perplexed after the scope maybe suggest to your BM to request facial x-rays. As for the hematoma, the vet should notice it.
What color is he? Is he gray? Gray horses usually get cancer, and sometimes it develops as tumors inside the body.
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| livexlovexrodeo - 2017-08-21 11:34 AM
StraightShatz7 - 2017-08-20 3:41 PM
Barnmom - 2017-08-20 8:58 AM
I would get your horse to a vet ASAP to find out why he is trickling blood all the time. That is not what a horse with EIPH does, they will only bleed after fairly intense excercise (run, race, fast work etc.) what your horse is doing is not "bleeding" like is usually discussed on here.
?Your horse could have a facial fracture, a simple allergy induced nosebleed (like people get) or he could even have a gutteral pouch infection that is getting ready to involve the carotid artery. Your horse needs to be scoped and possibly x-rayed ASAP, I wouldn't even worry about supplements until you know what is going on.Â
Oh wow! I feel stupid now. Hopefully we have not waited too long. The horse is 19 years old. Apparently he has done this all his life only when ran hard. But when I did the test ride it was hot and muggy and he hadn't been ridden in a long time. I did not ride him hard at all. And we didn't even do any patterns. He was cheap, $500 so I wasn't too worried about his capabilities as far as the patterns. But I feel stupid now for not having taken him to the vet sooner. It's kind of complicated but I sort of gave up on him and gave him to my barn manager then she told me it could be something that a simple medication would fix and offered for me to take him back if I wanted. So I decided to give it a shot. I should have had him to the vet days ago, and I feel dumb for not doing that. But at least now his appointment is tomorrow. But I'm not able to go with my barn manager to take him there. But I'm wondering if I should try to reschedule my day tomorrow so that I can. She is taking him to a race horse veterinarian who has a lot of experience with horses like this. He does have a hematoma between his two front legs, I wonder is that is an infection? It's squishy and moves when I grab it and try to move it. So should I do X-rays depending on what they see in the scope? Or just request X-rays anyways? Gosh I really hope that this is not something that he needs to be put to sleep for. At the least I'd like to be able to pass him on to someone who could enjoy him as a trail horse or something.
Don't feel stupid. Everyone learns at some point, and at least you care enough to take him to the vet. Scoping shows a lot, if there's something else that's causing him to bleed the vet will find it. If the vet still seems really perplexed after the scope maybe suggest to your BM to request facial x-rays. As for the hematoma, the vet should notice it.
What color is he? Is he gray? Gray horses usually get cancer, and sometimes it develops as tumors inside the body.
He's a chestnut or sorrel, I never could tell the difference lol.
So his scope went really well today! This is all coming second hand as I had to work and couldn't be there today, but... His lungs are clean, his flappers (?) are clean, no blood in his lungs, no cancer, absolutely no reason inside his lungs or anything that should cause him to bleed. The vet thinks that it's something to do with the veins in his nose or something, I think he said it was Epistaxis, and worse case scenario it was EIPH but very unlikely especially since his last owner never treated it and he would most likely be dead by now had he had that and never been treated. So when he's excited or the weather changes it causes his veins to break or something. He gave me several shots of estrogen to give him over the next few weeks and suggested Ace before riding him as a blood thinner to prevent nose bleeds rather than doing Lasix. As far as supplements, he said to get Wind Aid - Breathing Aid. And if it were to get worse than we should do Lasix.
Does anyone have any experience with this? I'd like to find a good supplement so I could avoid the Ace. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | StraightShatz7 - 2017-08-23 7:57 PM Does anyone have any opinions on THE vs smartpak?
My opinion is biased but I do know that THE uses Nitric Oxide.
When the body is stressed, injured or sick it needs Nitric Oxide in large amounts to heal. As an added benefit, Nitric Oxide, with its highly effective anti-infection and antibacterial properties is used by the white blood cells to kill viruses, fungi, bacteria, and other pathogens. Insufficient production of Nitric Oxide can actually slow the body’s own healing process. Unknowingly we often actually use drugs and herbs (i.e. anti-inflammatories) that prevent or weaken the amount of Nitric Oxide that the body produces.
Nitric Oxide is beneficial to all areas of the body, it:
• Alleviates various forms of pain, arthritis and ailments
• Improves blood circulation and cardiovascular health
• Increases endurance levels and performance
• Improves immune system and combats toxins
• Encourages bones and wounds to repair
• Aids the body in healing ulcers fast
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Location: Opelousas, LA | StraightShatz7 - 2017-08-23 8:57 PM Does anyone have any opinions on THE vs smartpak?
Nothing wrong with Smartpak, but I would choose THE everytime. |
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Location: Georgia | WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-08-19 10:30 PM
Klittle3 - 2017-08-19 9:27 PM
StraightShatz7 - 2017-08-19 10:14 PM
I got a new horse recently. The seller failed to inform me that the horse was a bleeder and when I asked her to take him back (without requesting my money back) she said she would send a vet out to put him to sleep. So this Monday I'm having him scoped and I'll be getting Lasix if he can have it and I already bought some breath right strips. Will also be getting him antibiotics and extra antibiotics for the future. But I'm curious as to which supplements I can get him. But as I'm researching supplements I've realized that there is a ton of different ones I can use which makes it really hard to pick. I would like to know which ones you guys use or have heard good things about. Thanks!
ForeRespiratory by ForeFront Equine. Also ForeRunner Paste pre run. I also use Flair Strips. My bleeder no longer needs Lasix due to this regimen. was your horse scoped after being on only supplements after a run?
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Location: Georgia | WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-08-20 12:28 AM
StraightShatz7 - 2017-08-19 10:53 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-08-19 9:30 PM
Klittle3 - 2017-08-19 9:27 PM
StraightShatz7 - 2017-08-19 10:14 PM
I got a new horse recently. The seller failed to inform me that the horse was a bleeder and when I asked her to take him back (without requesting my money back) she said she would send a vet out to put him to sleep. So this Monday I'm having him scoped and I'll be getting Lasix if he can have it and I already bought some breath right strips. Will also be getting him antibiotics and extra antibiotics for the future. But I'm curious as to which supplements I can get him. But as I'm researching supplements I've realized that there is a ton of different ones I can use which makes it really hard to pick. I would like to know which ones you guys use or have heard good things about. Thanks!
ForeRespiratory by ForeFront Equine. Also ForeRunner Paste pre run. I also use Flair Strips. My bleeder no longer needs Lasix due to this regimen. was your horse scoped after being on only supplements after a run?
I have never had him scoped, and I've never ran him. I'm not sure if his previous owners scoped him or not because they lied about him having this issue. He bled the first time I rode him when I tried him out. The bleeding was just a trickle, but he has been bleeding randomly ever since. BTW, I have not ridden him since our first ride. I was asking klittle about her horse since she went off of Lasix and was only using supplements. Straight shotz hopefully you'll find a regime that will work for your horse.
Sorry for just now replying. We never scoped her after we started her on supplements. My vet and I did a lot of researching for what worked best for her. She was never a severe bleeder and didn't bleed every time. Usually her bleeding was triggered by hot/summers, dust, and multiple runs back to back(long weekend shows). She was controlled on a very small amount of lasix but I didn't like how she felt on it. She was jittery and nervous. Since starting the ForeRespiratory, ForeRunner and Flair Strips she's really made a huge improvement. Also her recovery time after a run is cut in half. |
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