BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-09-13 1:53 PM
FLITASTIC - 2017-09-13 9:34 AM
I have tried pre and post electrolyte pastes, I give the Lasix 1V one hour out per my vet to minimize the time my horse has to be without food/water, etc. She feels awesome at the time she runs and always works awesome. BUT AFTER the race, like several hours later and the whole next day ( SOmetimes 2 days) she is lethargic, sunk up, and not her self. SHe doesn't go off feed or water or anything but the lasix is just " Hard" on her physically. Her hair gets dry and crusty despite being rinsed/washed, etc.. she is only on the MINIMUM dose of 3cc. She has never bled but the way she runs and turns vet recommended it. She is in TIP TOP physical shape... Lean mean and ready to go. SHe loves her job etc.. After she runs she drinks easily 2 5 gallon buckets of water and seems fine. Just give it 4-5 hours and thats when she looks and feels like she just did a non stop cattle drive from Texas to canada in August with no water stops. lol ANy ideas for products to try?? Oh, and she urinates a TON ( Which is probably why she washes out) and I asked my vet if I could lower dosage and she said NO because 3cc is the lowest effective dosage. I might just drop it to 2 anyway and see if I can tell a difference.
Your vet needs to get on board on how to administer Lasix and the consequences of using it incorrectly. Race tracks is 4 hours prior
to racing and it is administered by the track vet.
It is a diurectic which means horse will pee off all liquids to reduce his
blood pressure to keep from bursting capillaries in his lungs and some
believe it is used to hide the use of drugs if tested after a race.
Race tracks will nail your butt to the wall for giving a non bleeder Lasix!!
Read the summaries of race track rules for a quick idea how serious
bleeders are taken at the race tracks!!
Stop your Lasix ... you do not have a bleeder and your water intake is
against all principles of caring for a horse after giving Lasix. No more
than one gallon of water should be offered 15 minutes apart and yes
Lasix makes a horse sucked up and looking like they are going to die
at any moment and it is very stressful on your horse for 7-10 days.
It is a wonder your horse is still sound and able to recover to run
again!!
I see where barrel racers will give Lasix each day they run over
a weekend or at some large event to get into the short list.
Which is a major NO NO for the health of the horse.
Always keep in mind that 50% of your vets graduated in the
lower half of their class.... grrrrrr
READ AND WEEP >>>>>>>>>>>>
Most racing jurisdictions today permit at least some use of drugs to alleviate exercise-related pulmonary hemorrhage
(bleeding
), and they also allow medication for the treatment of another of the most common maladies of all species and sports. The two most common types of permitted medication are furosemide, for bleeind, and phenylbutazone, for soreness.
Furosemide
(sold under the trade name Lasix
) is a diuretic that stimulates urinary output and the absorption of excess fluid from the tissues, relieving the condition known as edema. Furosemide has other effects, including the reduction of blood pressure in the aorta and pulmonary artey – that is why it is used to treat bleeders. Furosemide can enhance racing performance, however, particularly on first use in a horse starting a race.
Phenylbutazone
(Butazolidin, commonly called “bute”
) is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medication that reduces inflammation, swelling, pain and fever. An analgesic similar to aspirin, bute is neither a preventative nor an anesthetic, nor does it enhance performance.
RCI suggest that a racetrack’s official veterinarian maintain a “Bleeder/Lasix list of all horses which have demonstrated external evidence of exercise-induced pulmonary hemorrhage or the existence of hemorrhage in the trachea post exercise upon endoscopic examination. Such examination must have been performed by or in the presence of the official veterinarian or the racing veterinarian,” and the confirmation must be certified by the official veterinarian. According to RCI, furosimide is to be administered intravenously, with the dosage not less than 150 milligrams nor more than 250 milligrams.
If the track uses a detention bard, the administration is to take place at that barn no less than four hours prior to post time for the race for which the horse in entered, and is to be under the direction of the official veterinarian or designee. If the racetrack does not have a detention bard, the “four hours prior” rule still applies, but the horse is to be brought to the official veterinarian no later that one out prior to post time, and, on a form provided by the state racing commission, the trainer is to enter under oath various information, including time and dosage of administration, and the printed name and signature of the attending veterinarian who administered the medication.
Some states follow RCI closely, others don’t. Following are the general rules and regulations concerning the administration of therapeutic medication in each of the states in which Quarter Horses last year ran for purses of at least $1 million. Bear in mind, however, that rules are made to be changed: Louisiana issued new regulations this spring, Kansas is revising its polices, and California in March announce that it is developing a plan that by mid-summer could allow traceable levels of certain therapeutic medications in post-race urine samples.
Arizona: With permission of the stewards, furosemide or “conjugated estrogens” may be administered not less than four hours prior to post time on race day. Arizona rules do not specify dosage. Permission requires a diagnosis of exercise-induced pulmonary hemorrhage by a veterinarian licensed by the Arizona Department of Racing, or the horse must have been on a bleeder list at a track outside of Arizona. Test levels of phenylbutazone and oxyphenylbutazone are not to exceed five micrograms per milliliter of blood plasma of the horse.
California: Permitted nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory substances are phenylbutazone, oxyphenylbutazone, and naproxen, with test levels of not more than five micrograms per milliliter of plasma; flunixin and meclofenamic acid are also permitted, with levels of not more than one microgram. Not more than one such form of medication may be present in any one horse.
Bleeders must be certified by the official veterinarian. Once on the bleeder list, the horse must be assigned to a pre-race security stall before going to the receiving bard or saddling paddock. While there is no minimum dosage of furosemide, up to 250 milligrams may be administered no later than four hours prior to post, and the official veterinarian has the discretion to order, prior to the administration, the taking of a blood sample for comparison testing.
Kansas: With the written permission of the animal health officer, phenylbutazone may be administered to horses three years old and older. The administration must be no less than 24 hours prior to post time, and the test sample cannot exceed five micrograms per milliliter of blood plasma.
Furosemide, up to a maximum dosage of 250 milligrams, may be administered only to horses three years old or older that are on the animal officer’s bleeder list. The administration must take place at a location to be determined by the animal health officer. The trainer can designate the veterinarian that administers furosemide, but the administration must be done under the supervision of the health officer.
The first time a horse is observed bleeding, its name is put on the bleeder list, and remains for 10 days or until the animal health officer removes it. A second occurrence of bleeding puts the horse on the list for 28 days, or until removed by the officer; a third occurrence bars the horse from pari-mutuel racing in Kansas.
Louisiana: Phenylbutazone and oxyphenylbutazone are permitted, with urine test levels no to exceed 165 micrograms/milliliter, nor more than five micrograms/milliliter of blood. Though regulations stipulate no specific drug, dosage or test levels, bleeder medication may be administered no later than four hours prior to post. A positive test results when a horse not on the bleeder list is shown to have bleeder medication in its system.
After a recorder workout, a first-time bleeder is eligible to enter and run after the expiration of the 14th day he is placed on the bleeder list. After a second occurrence of bleeding, the horse must await the expiration of the 90th day, and a third bout entails an absence of 365 days. A fourth occurrence results in lifetime suspension, “provided hemorrhage from the nostrils is documented by the state veterinarian.” Louisiana rules also stipulate that, “should a horse which is on the bleeder list race three times within 265 days without bleeding, it shall be considered a first-time bleeder when next it is observed bleeding…” For counting purposes, the time period commences on the day after the bleeding occurs.
New Mexico: Phenylbutazone and oxyphenylbutazone are permitted, with test levels not to exceed five micrograms per milliliter of blood plasma, or 165 micrograms/milliliter of urine. Administration of furosemide or conjugated estrogen must be by intravenous injection, not less than three hours prior to post time. A positive test is at least 100 nanograms per milliliter of plasma.
Oklahoma: Phenylbutazone and furosemide are permitted, as per the RCI model rule. After the first occurrence of bleeding, a horse is not eligible to be entered in a race for at least 10 days, unless excepted by the official veterinarian, and until the horse has been approved by the official veterinarian or racing veterinarian after a satisfactory workout. A horse that has a second occurrence of bleeding is not eligible to enter a race for 90 days, and must have a satisfactory workout approved by the official veterinarian prior to entry. A horse that bleeds a third time is no longer eligible to race in Oklahoma.
To race on Lasix is Oklahoma, a horse must be on the Oklahoma Horse Racing Commission Lasix list. To be on the Lasix list, the horse must first be on the OHRC bleeder list. The Lasix list is not carried over from race meeting to race meeting. The bleeder list is permanent.
Texas: Furosemide and pheylbutazone are permitted, with dosages, administration and test levels as per RCI guidelines. A first-time bleeder is prohibited from racing for 11 days; after a second occurrence, 30 days; third, six months; and after four occurrences, the bleeder is barred from racing in Texas.
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