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| Ok, please before I get bashed, I know the right way is to haul horses in on a Monday morning after a weekend barrel race to scope. However, within these next few weeks I'm unable to take off work to do so.
My next question is, does anyone use it to see for sure if this is the problem solver to coughing after a run? Not horrible coughs, but a good 3-4 coughs come out. I do use Equipulmin. My horse has allergies so this seems to help with that. Just started to get on the ban wagon of Flair strips now too.
Would the proper amount of time to see if this alleviates my horses problem is 4hrs prior to running? |
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| It varies according to the severity of the bleeding, all horses are different. I give 3cc's 2 hours out and he does not bleed through that, some get up to 10cc's 4 hours out. I don't think it will tell you for sure what your issue is, your horse may not cough after using lasix but without a scope you won't know for sure. It is good to get a scope to get a baseline for what, if anything, is going on in the lungs to compare to down the road. Although my bleeder never bleeds through I have him scoped annually to look for any damage, so far he is great. |
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Location: Oklahoma | please be really careful if you are gonna do this without the advice of vet. I work with one part time and my horse has severe allergies and I have had a couple people suggest I just try it, but after my vet explained how Lasix works and he says if your horse is not a bleeder you don't want to use. He really went into detail with me and on some other drugs that are on the market how it goes thru the body and what it does and Ive never been one to just try bc I am always the one with the horse to have the opposite effects. and it is really scary if you really know these drugs and how they work on the body. He is not against using Lasix or anything is just you better know why and when to use. I have learned a lot since working for him. Im not gonna relay what he says, you will need to ask your vet and of course everyone has different opinions. Lasix is not like taking an aspirin. People just don't realize how dangerous these drugs can be if using without a vet helping you. not talking just bout Lasix. I would use Lasix if my horse was a bleeder, so Im not saying not to use it just make sure your horse is a bleeder and work with your vet. good luck! also it may only be allergies and hopefully not a bleeder |
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| Turnburnsis - 2017-09-13 8:40 PM
please be really careful if you are gonna do this without the advice of vet. I work with one part time and my horse has severe allergies and I have had a couple people suggest I just try it, but after my vet explained how Lasix works and he says if your horse is not a bleeder you don't want to use. He really went into detail with me and on some other drugs that are on the market how it goes thru the body and what it does and Ive never been one to just try bc I am always the one with the horse to have the opposite effects. and it is really scary if you really know these drugs and how they work on the body. He is not against using Lasix or anything is just you better know why and when to use. I have learned a lot since working for him. Im not gonna relay what he says, you will need to ask your vet and of course everyone has different opinions. Lasix is not like taking an aspirin. People just don't realize how dangerous these drugs can be if using without a vet helping you. not talking just bout Lasix. I would use Lasix if my horse was a bleeder, so Im not saying not to use it just make sure your horse is a bleeder and work with your vet. good luck! also it may only be allergies and hopefully not a bleeder
Thank you for the explanation! |
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Location: Oklahoma | One more thing a trachea wash or a BAL with also tell you more, even if your scope is clean or just full of mucus
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | Mine did this at Waco back in July. Luckily Rosie Bradley with oxygen was there. She got me a tube of oxy silver to try on him the next run and he was good. He had NEVER coughed before, so I'm guessing it was something environmental, but it may be worth a shot. I avoid drugs as much as possible. Lasix especially with our humidity. I know there are some cases where it is unavoidable, but I exhaust all other options first! |
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| I don't understand why you think just winging it is worth your horses health. |
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Location: Deep South | classicpotatochip - 2017-09-14 6:03 AM
I don't understand why you think just winging it is worth your horses health.
Agreed. I would MUCH rather sit out of a couple of races until I could have him scoped than just guess. |
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Location: WI | Speaking from experience, Lasix isn't something I would want to just give. It involves timing, pulling hay & water, and it can do number on one. I wouldn't want to hassle with it if I didn't truly need it. Now Omeprazole, sure I would give that without scoping. Not Lasix. |
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| UPDATE!!!! had my horse scoped! I have a mild bleeder unfortunetly.
Vet said 2-3 weeks off with antiobiotics. So for those that have bleeders, do you give a vitamin c&K supplement daily? They reccommended this too.
Then, they are telling my to start with 7ccs 4hrs out in the muscle for Lasix. Yikes this seems so high, I have friends that give 4ccs.
Just wanted to know for those that lasix what other supplements help with this issue that you may use! Thanks!! |
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Location: Oklahoma | Wild1 - 2017-09-27 7:54 PM
UPDATE!!!! had my horse scoped! I have a mild bleeder unfortunetly.
Vet said 2-3 weeks off with antiobiotics. So for those that have bleeders, do you give a vitamin c&K supplement daily? They reccommended this too.
Then, they are telling my to start with 7ccs 4hrs out in the muscle for Lasix. Yikes this seems so high, I have friends that give 4ccs.
Just wanted to know for those that lasix what other supplements help with this issue that you may use! Thanks!!
I wonder if they are saying 7cc because its in the muscle. I have only seen and told bout the main lining which is less than 7cc. Now you know the problem and now you can take care of it! no more guessing! |
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| I myself am not comfortable doing IV, wish I could but never had anyone teach me...yes they told me IM takes much longer |
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| Wild1 - 2017-09-27 9:09 PM
I myself am not comfortable doing IV, wish I could but never had anyone teach me...yes they told me IM takes much longer
Just ask your vet to teach you. |
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| Turnburnsis - 2017-09-27 8:38 PM Wild1 - 2017-09-27 7:54 PM UPDATE!!!! had my horse scoped! I have a mild bleeder unfortunetly. Vet said 2-3 weeks off with antiobiotics. So for those that have bleeders, do you give a vitamin c&K supplement daily? They reccommended this too. Then, they are telling my to start with 7ccs 4hrs out in the muscle for Lasix. Yikes this seems so high, I have friends that give 4ccs. Just wanted to know for those that lasix what other supplements help with this issue that you may use! Thanks!! I wonder if they are saying 7cc because its in the muscle. I have only seen and told bout the main lining which is less than 7cc. Now you know the problem and now you can take care of it! no more guessing!
I don't think so, I give 4cc's in the muscle 2 1/2 hours out. I prefer in the muscle because it does take a little longer and if you have timed it wrong or there is a delay it is still in their system. |
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