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Location: South Georgia | magic gunsmoke - 2018-01-04 8:36 PM I recently had an experience with ulcers with my horse. He was diagnosed with ulcers via accupressure points by a vet who also saved my horse from EPM. Anyways, I followed up with my traditional vet and did a succeed test. He tested positive for hind gut ulcers. The holistic vet told me about a product called draw that was formulated by a vet in Oklahoma. He didn't want to change the ingredients to get his product FDA approved so he packaged it as a tightener for tendons and ligaments, but it also can be used to treat both types of ulcers. You give 2 bottles. The first bottle is 30 ccs twice a day and the second bottle is 30 ccs once per day. Total cost is under $90. I am almost done with the first bottle and so far signs via accupressure are no longer as obvious. We plan on following up with a succeed test when done with the treatment to see where we are at. Here is the link to the vet clinic that sells Draw: https://bristowveterinaryhospital.netviewshop.com/draw They are not out of stock, I called the clinic and double checked before I ordered online.
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Location: South Georgia | wyoming barrel racer - 2018-01-04 7:02 PM the problem with omeprazole products is this "Omeprazole is from a family of proton pump inhibitors (PPI's) that blocks secretion of acid and assists by reducing and neutralizing acid in the horse's stomach allowing improved healing of existing ulcer damage.
as soon as you take them off, the acid returns as do the ulcers. This is where a product that encourages natural secretions of the stomach, are much more than a bandaid, and more beneficial in the long run. They actually heal the stomach themselves and protect against ulcers. And if it is nerves, nerves cause an upset stomach and result in ulcers too.
What could you recommend? I am planning my preventative measures once treatment is complete. I have heard of so many options.
Cool Gut
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The Purina supplement--Outlast I think it is.
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| My guy was never scoped (just did the acupuncture thing) but thrived on ulcer treatment and has never looked poor. Always a hothead, but never looked poor. |
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Location: Deep South | mandita8907 - 2018-01-04 9:50 AM
Anyone ever had a ulcery horse NOT look poor? Hes fat as can be and never turns down food unless he's at a show and nervous. When taken out of his comfort zone he gets nervous and will show ulcer symptoms, but on a regular day/riding at the house hes fine. And if you separate him and his buddy he looses his mind.
Yes! I had one exhibit symptoms just like that after a couple of years of owning him. So I knew it was not normal behavior. Fat as a tick, slick, scarf down his feed anytime anywhere. Became hot to warm up at shows. Would go absolutely bonkers rearing/bucking/hollering if tied to the trailer and I rode his buddy away. He had developed ulcers due to an underlying pain issue. |
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Location: Georgia | BamaCanChaser - 2018-01-05 2:21 PM
mandita8907 - 2018-01-04 9:50 AM
Anyone ever had a ulcery horse NOT look poor? Hes fat as can be and never turns down food unless he's at a show and nervous. When taken out of his comfort zone he gets nervous and will show ulcer symptoms, but on a regular day/riding at the house hes fine. And if you separate him and his buddy he looses his mind.
Yes! I had one exhibit symptoms just like that after a couple of years of owning him. So I knew it was not normal behavior. Fat as a tick, slick, scarf down his feed anytime anywhere. Became hot to warm up at shows. Would go absolutely bonkers rearing/bucking/hollering if tied to the trailer and I rode his buddy away. He had developed ulcers due to an underlying pain issue.
Good to know. Im taking him to be scoped and for a full evaluation. Maybe I let his yearly injections run too long hmm... |
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Location: In my own world | mandita8907 - 2018-01-04 9:50 AM Anyone ever had a ulcery horse NOT look poor? Hes fat as can be and never turns down food unless he's at a show and nervous. When taken out of his comfort zone he gets nervous and will show ulcer symptoms, but on a regular day/riding at the house hes fine. And if you separate him and his buddy he looses his mind.
Me. My 18 yr old gelding was fat and looked great. Lazy at home. Knew his job at races and would get on the muscle. Not bad. We had only had him 3 yrs and I knew he was a seasoned rodeo horse so I just thought it was that. Then he started not liking his back cinch. Never bucked. Just tensed up when I put it on. Was sore to touch in his flank. I was paranoid so I took him to the vet. Scoped and he had severe ulcers. I was kind of shocked. 30 days ulcer guard and they are gone. He is still a gentle boy but is more talkative when it’s feeding time and seems perkier. I suspect hind gut ulcers. I have him on Cool Gut. Hoping that helps |
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| GastroPLUS does work ! I just syringe it to my mare. She was off her feed as well . She was eating like normal in just 3 days.. it WORKS! It’s very affordable as well . I am very happy with it . I won’t lie , I didn’t think it’d work .. I used ulcergard before it , & while it worked .. she’d have flare ups quite often .. & for the money I was spending on it that was getting old fast. My syringe actually broke the other night , so I had to skip one day of THE GastroPLUS .. she didn’t hardly touch her feed that night .. the next day I got a new syringe, have her a dose at noon & that night @ 5 pm came in & ate like normal . I am a believer ! |
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| I read most of the comments, but not all.
omeprazole versus compounded omeprazole, you need to watch the buffering agent, I believe in north America the patent is still owned by gastro/ulcerguard for the buffering agent and this is why there are no others on the market. The compounded products, some work some don't, I was told if it turns brown toss it as it has expired. The compounded stuff we get in Canada, my horses absolutely hated it, more of a fight.
for herbal remedies, the only thing I have ever heard be scientifically proven and published in a peer reviewed journal is papaya. I spoke to my vet about it and he pulled up like three journal articles proving it heals ulcers. One of the studies was done on track horses. I have used this and found it works amazing, hard to get in Canada, but so worth it.
Equisure, or Zesterra they have done their own studies on race horses and it has shown it does heal ulcers, the sample size is small but it is promising. When hauling I have one mare that is ulcer prone, she gets this as soon as she is caught, hauling and competing are great stressors, I find this product gives her the extra protection, she settles down, her belly isn't hurting her. (she has been diagnosed with some syndrome that when she gets emotional she hypersecretes acid in her stomach, happens a lot in race horses I guess)
Hemp oil has also shown to reduce inflammation in the hind gut, and prevent ulcers, this is because of the omegas, and the linoleic amino acid. I have a few people that have told me it has helped their horse.
Some of the key important things are keeping the horse comfortable, if the horse is penned up, are they stressed, do they want their friends? Are they internalizers (never show their emotions)? You need to reduce the stress and may need to change your penning program and your feeding program.
As for the hay, this is now the second time I have heard to pull off of hay and put on cubes. Cubes are processed therefore easier to digest. I would suggest getting the horse off of beet pulp, as there are much better feeds out there, beet pulp is a dense fibre, not as easy to digest. The girl I spoke to she kept the cubes in front of her horse 24/7 so the horse still had free choice feed, and it did work. |
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| Does anyone feed a pelleted supplement for ulcer/hindgut support?? one of my horses will not eat powdered supplements, and there are so many choices out here, I researched Smartpak gut, gastroplex and others, but how do you know which one is best when you look at ingredients? |
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| Wild1 - 2018-01-07 11:17 AM
Does anyone feed a pelleted supplement for ulcer/hindgut support?? one of my horses will not eat powdered supplements, and there are so many choices out here, I researched Smartpak gut, gastroplex and others, but how do you know which one is best when you look at ingredients?
You might consider Purina outlast supplement. Been using it couple weeks and I really like it. Horses are doing very well. It is a very palatable pellet.
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Location: Georgia | mandita8907 - 2018-01-05 2:55 PM
BamaCanChaser - 2018-01-05 2:21 PM
mandita8907 - 2018-01-04 9:50 AM
Anyone ever had a ulcery horse NOT look poor? Hes fat as can be and never turns down food unless he's at a show and nervous. When taken out of his comfort zone he gets nervous and will show ulcer symptoms, but on a regular day/riding at the house hes fine. And if you separate him and his buddy he looses his mind.
Yes! I had one exhibit symptoms just like that after a couple of years of owning him. So I knew it was not normal behavior. Fat as a tick, slick, scarf down his feed anytime anywhere. Became hot to warm up at shows. Would go absolutely bonkers rearing/bucking/hollering if tied to the trailer and I rode his buddy away. He had developed ulcers due to an underlying pain issue.
Good to know. Im taking him to be scoped and for a full evaluation. Maybe I let his yearly injections run too long hmm...
In case anyone was wondering... My fat horse did scope positive for ulcers. |
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| mandita8907 - 2018-01-23 1:54 PM
mandita8907 - 2018-01-05 2:55 PM
BamaCanChaser - 2018-01-05 2:21 PM
mandita8907 - 2018-01-04 9:50 AM
Anyone ever had a ulcery horse NOT look poor? Hes fat as can be and never turns down food unless he's at a show and nervous. When taken out of his comfort zone he gets nervous and will show ulcer symptoms, but on a regular day/riding at the house hes fine. And if you separate him and his buddy he looses his mind.
Yes! I had one exhibit symptoms just like that after a couple of years of owning him. So I knew it was not normal behavior. Fat as a tick, slick, scarf down his feed anytime anywhere. Became hot to warm up at shows. Would go absolutely bonkers rearing/bucking/hollering if tied to the trailer and I rode his buddy away. He had developed ulcers due to an underlying pain issue.
Good to know. Im taking him to be scoped and for a full evaluation. Maybe I let his yearly injections run too long hmm...
In case anyone was wondering... My fat horse did scope positive for ulcers.
Glad you were able to get a diagnosis! Most horses I have seen with ulcers are in pretty poor condition in one way or another, so that is good to know! I hope you can get him feeling better! |
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Location: South Georgia | Just an update, since the thread was pulled up....my mare just completed the 28 days on Abgard (generic omeprazole) and is back to normal. She's alert, friendly, eating all of her grain, grazing in the pasture again, etc. It is $300 as opposed to Ulcergard at about $800-900. Keep it in mind. I'm a big believer. |
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Location: Georgia | horsegirl - 2018-01-24 7:39 AM
Just an update, since the thread was pulled up....my mare just completed the 28 days on Abgard (generic omeprazole) and is back to normal. She's alert, friendly, eating all of her grain, grazing in the pasture again, etc. It is $300 as opposed to Ulcergard at about $800-900. Keep it in mind. I'm a big believer.
My vet told me there is research showing that giving 1/4 a tube a day of ulcer or gastrogard is an effective treatment in mild ulcers. That saves quite a bit on $$ too |
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Location: South Georgia | mandita8907 - 2018-01-24 9:01 AM horsegirl - 2018-01-24 7:39 AM Just an update, since the thread was pulled up....my mare just completed the 28 days on Abgard (generic omeprazole) and is back to normal. She's alert, friendly, eating all of her grain, grazing in the pasture again, etc. It is $300 as opposed to Ulcergard at about $800-900. Keep it in mind. I'm a big believer. My vet told me there is research showing that giving 1/4 a tube a day of ulcer or gastrogard is an effective treatment in mild ulcers. That saves quite a bit on $$ too
Interesting you said that, my vet said I could give 1/3 tube of Ulcergard daily, but my fear was (since I did not get her scoped, and we are going off symptoms and hunches) that it wouldn't be strong enough, and I'd end up having to do more agressive treatment anyway. That's when the farrier told me about Abler horse meds. I spent the same amount on full dose of Abgard as I would have for the "modified dose" of Ulcergard from my vet. |
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| so on this topic, my new mare has ulcers, her previous owner just constantly treated her with ulcer guard and never gave a preventative supplement or feeding program, if she did she constantly combined it with an omozeprole product, I know the spelling is wrong, so im not sure her digestive system was ever functioning correctly. She's a lot better right now with a lot of recent time off, and free choice hay, but I was to start her on something before we start hauling a bunch. Anyways been looking in to preventative products. Right now my top choices I'm considering starting her on, are DAC CoolGut, Zesterra, or the purina feeds for ulcers. what is everyones top choice and why.
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Location: South Georgia | Abler makes a preventative product as well that is quite economical. My horse is super picky eater, so I needed something pelleted. I went with Ugard and I hope it doesn't end up biting me in the butt. She is also on alfalfa/or perennial peanut hay in her stall at night, and free choice Bermuda hay in the pasture all day. I read about a million preventative products, so I'm just taking a gamble. I do know that the Abgard knocked the ulcers out, my fear now is just keeping them away. With the alfalfa/perennial peanut intake, her grain intake has gone down, so I'm hoping that helps also. I board, so I have less options. |
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I have been using abler products for years. Great product for less money. I also have used THE gastroplus for years. Both outstanding products that get the job done. Glad you got an answer for your horse and everything is back to norm. Great news. |
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| Highly highly suggest Zesterra! Great great stuff without the withdrawal you get from omeprazole. It is fairly cost effective and it was crazy the difference I saw when I treated my mare and gelding. I am a dealer and would love to help anyone order. Feel free to add/follow me on Facebook to order! Here is more information about the product https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156245864884238&set=pb.718... |
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Location: Georgia | Btw I’ve heard from a Meriel rep that the patent on ulcergard and gastrogard runs out this year ???? there is a generic for of ulcergard set to be released later this year! |
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