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euchee - 2018-02-01 7:15 PM
I don't know if there is anything to this or not but I did read somewhere that you should swab inside your nostrils with a cheap triple antibiotic. It is suppose to catch the virus's and kill them before they enter the inner nose. I guess it couldn't hurt to try.Â
Considering that viruses are not killed with antibiotics and the flu is a virus, can’t see how it would work. Now taking oral antibiotics while having the flu to prevent secondary bacterial infections, good idea!
I think the gel inside your nose would maybe "catch" the germs before actually getting into your body? Nose hair is supposed to help I thought but maybe just putting a thin layer of Vaseline of antibiotic gel. I don't know. I've read that too about the nose. Guess it would work good if you don't breathe out of your mouth! I'm a bit of a mouth breather so it probably wouldn't work good for me!
LOL and the truth of the matter is, you breathe in MILLIONS and MILLIONS of viruses every single day that are just in the air period. It really is Impossible to keep a virus out unless your literally in a bubble or Hazmat suit like you see in the movies. Doctors always say " Wash your hands" well, as soon as your done washing in the hands and you grab a handle to leave the bathroom, they are all back. I laugh at people who use the wipes on shopping carts, what about all the food items you grab and put INTO the shopping cart?? What about the snotty nose kid riding in the cart and blew virus all over the other parts of the cart??? Sanitizing that handle aint gonna do S^&*(^*&^(*&^( |
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| FLITASTIC - 2018-02-02 10:56 AM
want2chase3 - 2018-02-02 8:48 AM
FLITASTIC - 2018-02-02 10:04 AM
euchee - 2018-02-01 7:15 PM
I don't know if there is anything to this or not but I did read somewhere that you should swab inside your nostrils with a cheap triple antibiotic. It is suppose to catch the virus's and kill them before they enter the inner nose. I guess it couldn't hurt to try.Â
Considering that viruses are not killed with antibiotics and the flu is a virus, can’t see how it would work. Now taking oral antibiotics while having the flu to prevent secondary bacterial infections, good idea!
I think the gel inside your nose would maybe "catch" the germs before actually getting into your body? Nose hair is supposed to help I thought but maybe just putting a thin layer of Vaseline of antibiotic gel. I don't know. I've read that too about the nose. Guess it would work good if you don't breathe out of your mouth! I'm a bit of a mouth breather so it probably wouldn't work good for me!
LOL and the truth of the matter is, you breathe in MILLIONS and MILLIONS of viruses every single day that are just in the air period. It really is Impossible to keep a virus out unless your literally in a bubble or Hazmat suit like you see in the movies. Doctors always say " Wash your hands" well, as soon as your done washing in the hands and you grab a handle to leave the bathroom, they are all back. I laugh at people who use the wipes on shopping carts, what about all the food items you grab and put INTO the shopping cart?? What about the snotty nose kid riding in the cart and blew virus all over the other parts of the cart??? Sanitizing that handle aint gonna do S^&* (^*&^ (*&^ (
That's true.. I do wipe the handle down on the shopping cart though lol! And when I am forced to use a public restroom I get my paper towels to dry with first... stick them under my arm then wash, I use the towels to turn off the water and let myself out of the restroom as well ... so maybe my hands are germ free for a few minutes anyway! I've seen way too many people use the restroom and walk out without washing their hands.. gross... that's just simple hygiene right there and it amazes me how many don't do it. (Washing hands after using the restroom, especially a public restroom ) |
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Location: NW | There is not one study with vaccinated people verses Unvaccinated people.
But with all the drug control studies, when the FDA releases a drug, that drug under goes many studies plus a placebo effect study before it even hits the market.... at least there are some drug studies...
BUT NOT ONE study like this has been done with vaccines....doesn't anyone ever question this?
So if vaccines truly work then the people that are vaccinated do not have anything to worry about because you are vaccinated and no illness will come to you because those vaccines work and you will not get sick....Right....Hum....just a thought... :)
The scientist don't have a clue what harm the flu vaccines will do to people taking the vaccines every year for 20 years, there are NO studies on this, you are the study, how wonderful it is to be human guinea pigs. :) LOL
Doctors get there info on vaccines from the vaccine companies that are selling them.. there is no bias there....
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| 4 Alarm Ranch - 2018-02-03 9:53 PM
There is not one study with vaccinated people verses Unvaccinated people.
But with all the drug control studies, when the FDA releases a drug, that drug under goes many studies plus a placebo effect study before it even hits the market.... at least there are some drug studies...
BUT NOT ONE study like this has been done with vaccines....doesn't anyone ever question this?
So if vaccines truly work then the people that are vaccinated do not have anything to worry about because you are vaccinated and no illness will come to you because those vaccines work and you will not get sick....Right....Hum....just a thought... :)
The scientist don't have a clue what harm the flu vaccines will do to people taking the vaccines every year for 20 years, there are NO studies on this, you are the study, how wonderful it is to be human guinea pigs. :) LOL
Doctors get there info on vaccines from the vaccine companies that are selling them.. there is no bias there....
But doctors DO KNOW how the immune system works. Vaccines trigger an immune response. Many debilitating diseases have been stopped because of vaccines. So polio just went away by chance then? My only issue with vaccines is duration. Like in horses, I’m not positive they have to be given as often as recommended. Why do we vaccinate humans for tetanus every 10 years but horses annually? That makes no sense. I have discussed vaccinations with my vet and was told until I saw a horse or human dying from tetanus, a preventable disease , then I had no room to judge effectiveness of vaccines. She has seen it, and it’s not pretty. I would rather get a vaccine and die from that vaccine 50 years later rather than not get it and die from tetanus , flu, polio , etc while I was young |
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Location: NW | I am talking about the flu vaccine.... Vaccine companies are loud and have trillions of dollars. They can make you believe anything you want... control the masses... the vaccine company's use scare tactics and it works... :)
vaccines have many toxic ingredients, like Formaldehyde (a carcinogen), Polysorbate 80, GMOs, Human Baby DNA, Animal DNA...
I was raised on a ranch I am fully aware of tetanus. I saw animals get it.and YES it is devastating. We vaccinated for tetanus. However, I also had a 3 year old filly about 10 years ago get the strangles, and YES she was fully vaccinated for the strangles.. She got strangles so bad almost died, and she was never the same.... the other 20 horses she was with, only about 5 others got the strangles.. the horses that weren't vaccinated pulled out of it quicker and did not have any health issues later on....
I am not saying all vaccines are bad, what I am saying is don't be sheep-peoples and believe everything you hear... We are all bright, intelligent STRONG COWGIRLS with a mind of our own. :) If you don't know something do research/Question it. Everyone is allowed to question things.... Make it your hobby to do research so you can know one way or the other and feel good. :) Do research on both sides... Look up who is publishing the research, how bias is it??? All any of us want is the safety and security of our family's :)
Look up Pub-Med and some other good scientific research sites...
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for anyone that would like some websites to look at and research here are some down below ...:)
Also there is a movie for free on Amazon Prime.... called "VAXXED" Robert DeNiro helped with this movie... finally after a couple years it is out for people to watch. This movie has BOTH sides so it lets you decided :)
Robert DeNiro---https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KOzqH6Q1ZE
https://www.amazon.com/Vaxxed-Cover-Up-Catastrophe-Del-Bigtree/dp/B0...
Here are some helpful sites to check out:
PubMed
USDA Food Composition Database
Cochrane Library
National Institutes of Health
NIH Botanical Supplement Factsheet
Medical News Today
Natural Medicines Research Collaboration
Oregon State Linus Pauling Institute
Google Scholar
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | 4 Alarm Ranch - 2018-02-04 1:38 PM
for anyone that would like some websites to look at and research here are some down below ...: )
Also there is a movie for free on Amazon Prime.... called "VAXXED" Robert DeNiro helped with this movie... finally after a couple years it is out for people to watch. This movie has BOTH sides so it lets you decided : )
Robert DeNiro---https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KOzqH6Q1ZE
https://www.amazon.com/Vaxxed-Cover-Up-Catastrophe-Del-Bigtree/dp/B0...
Here are some helpful sites to check out:
PubMed
USDA Food Com position Database
Cochrane Library
National Institutes of Health
NIH Botanical Supplement Factsheet
Medical News Today
Natural Medicines Research Collaboration
Oregon State Linus Pauling Institute
Google Scholar
Would you like me to blow your narrative out of the water now, or later?
Do you think vaccines are not natural? If you do, then please explain yourself in your words, not debate by “link”.
To me, one of the deadliest afflictions in modern history is the antivaxx movement. The most vulnerable are those suffering from a deficiency of Betz cells.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The fact that you celebrate Robert DiNiro as an antivax advocate tells me a lot. |
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Location: NW | Bear - 2018-02-04 3:38 PM
The fact that you celebrate Robert DiNiro as an antivax advocate tells me a lot.
I never stated I celebrate Robert DeNiro, I do not know anything about him.... just letting people know he assisted with the movie...
Please do not be venomous about this, everyone has the right to question things. :)
But it seems when it comes to vaccines no-one has a choice to question...or do their own research... Why do we have to take anyones word for anything. :)
I have done my research already and continue doing so. this is not a topic for debate or venomous reactions, I am allowed to make my own adult informed decisions based on scientific data and research that I have done.
Just keep in mind the first Physician that washed his hands between patients and exams was laughed at by all his colleagues.
But sir thank you for the manner in which you responded. your response has proved my point.
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| For whatever reason, this particular strain triggers healthy immune systems to over react. Creating a cytokine storm. Scary stuff. Mimics sepsis but the treatment is obviously different. Happened to my niece last May. She contracted Mono, body overreacted causing multiple organ failure. Very very hard to treat and intensive. I think a lot of hospitals probably miss. Our local hospital totally missed it. Had she not had a heart attack she would have likely died. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Robert DeNiro is such a piece of dog poop and I would not belive a thing hes got to say.  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I just think the antivax movement is crazy and most of it runs contrary to solid scientific evidence.
I’ll start with this:
Misconception #1: Because of better hygiene and sanitation, diseases had already begun to disappear before vaccines were introduced.
Misconception #2: The majority of people who get the disease have been immunized.
Misconception #3: There are hot lots of vaccine that have been associated with more adverse events and deaths than others. Parents should find the numbers of these lots and not allow their children to receive vaccines from them.
Misconception #4: Vaccines cause many harmful side effects, and even death—and may cause long-term effects we don't even know about.
Misconception #5: DTP vaccine causes sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).
Misconception #6: Vaccine-preventable diseases have been virtually eliminated from the United States, so there is no need for my child to be vaccinated.
Misconception #7: Giving a child more than one vaccine at a time increases the risk of harmful side effects and can overload the immune system.
Misconception #8: There is no good reason to immunize against chickenpox (varicella) because it is a harmless disease.
Misconception #9: Vaccines cause autism.
Misconception #10: Hepatitis B vaccine causes chronic health problems, including multiple sclerosis.
Misconception #11: Thimerosal causes autism: Chelation therapy can cure it.
Misconception #12: Children get too many immunizations.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Statistics about the impact of vaccination on childhood diseases:
Disease # per yr. Cases 2007. % Decline
(Pre vaccine)
Diphtheria 175,885 0 100%
Tetanus 1,314 28 98%
Measles 503,282 43 99.9%
Mumps 152,209 800 99.5%
Rubella 47,745 12 99.9%
rubella 823 0 100% |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here’s an important study that should interest most of you.
It was a study conducted over 5 years in kids.
Bottom line is this:
In kids with serious underlying health conditions the mortality from flu was 51% lower in vaccinated kids.
In HEALTHY kids, those vaccinated had a 65% lower mortality from flu.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017/p0403-flu-vaccine.html
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I’ve been an MD for almost 40 years.
Not ONCE have I been educated on vaccines by a pharmaceutical company.
Nobody should be forced to get a flu vaccine. I don’t feel real strongly about healthy adults getting the flu vaccine, but I recommend it, and here’s why. Over the years, scientists have developed complicated algorithms for predicting which of the hundreds of influenza strains are most likely to be prevalent in the upcoming year. It’s sort of a crap shoot, with some years being as much as 90% effective, and as little as 5% completely effective.
This year is not the best in terms of efficacy of the flu vaccine, however here’s the deal. Most people are at least partially protected in that the vaccinated folks tend to have milder forms of the illness that doesn’t last as long. The thing is you should decide early in the flu season to get maximum benefit.
Here’s another thing. The recommendations for the use of Tamiflu have changed this year. Tamiflu is an antiviral, but that term is a little misleading. It isn’t as effective against the influenza virus as antibiotics are against bacterial infections. Tamiflu, if given within 72 hours of the onset of symptoms tends to lessen the severity and duration of symptoms. Starting this year, Tamiflu has been recommended as prophylaxis for people who have been exposed to someone with known flu. I think the evidence that it reduces mortality from influenza is convincing. I recommend you talk to your doctor about it.
One last word. Typically the greatest risk for influenza is seen when people pick up a bad bacterial pneumonia on the heels of a bout of flu. If you or your child gets the flu and experience a worsening of respiratory symptoms after a period of improvement, don’t screw around......go in and be seen. |
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| To comment on the person who said there has been no studies on vaccinating (summarizing)
HPV, we started vaccinating women, surveillance globally showed by vaccinating women alone it reduced male mouth and penile cancer by 30 percent. That shows me the vaccine is effective.
As for the flu, I would be asking what strain is being cultured? Then seeing if it is covered in the vaccine.
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| 4 Alarm Ranch - 2018-02-04 1:26 PM
I am talking about the flu vaccine.... Vaccine companies are loud and have trillions of dollars. They can make you believe anything you want... control the masses... the vaccine company's use scare tactics and it works... :)
vaccines have many toxic ingredients, like Formaldehyde (a carcinogen), Polysorbate 80, GMOs, Human Baby DNA, Animal DNA...
I was raised on a ranch I am fully aware of tetanus. I saw animals get it.and YES it is devastating. We vaccinated for tetanus. However, I also had a 3 year old filly about 10 years ago get the strangles, and YES she was fully vaccinated for the strangles.. She got strangles so bad almost died, and she was never the same.... the other 20 horses she was with, only about 5 others got the strangles.. the horses that weren't vaccinated pulled out of it quicker and did not have any health issues later on....
I am not saying all vaccines are bad, what I am saying is don't be sheep-peoples and believe everything you hear... We are all bright, intelligent STRONG COWGIRLS with a mind of our own. :) If you don't know something do research/Question it. Everyone is allowed to question things.... Make it your hobby to do research so you can know one way or the other and feel good. :) Do research on both sides... Look up who is publishing the research, how bias is it??? All any of us want is the safety and security of our family's :)
Look up Pub-Med and some other good scientific research sites...
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