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| She comes with the necessary papers to do so. I am just wondering if this is a situation where I just have to trust that the papers they give me match the horse I’m putting in the trailer...? Like if I go to register this horse later and the hair sample doesn’t match, I know I can* go after them for selling me a fraud, but do people do that? Sell horses that don’t match the papers? |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Absolutely they do! |
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-23 6:21 AM She comes with the necessary papers to do so. I am just wondering if this is a situation where I just have to trust that the papers they give me match the horse I’m putting in the trailer...? Like if I go to register this horse later and the hair sample doesn’t match, I know I can* go after them for selling me a fraud, but do people do that? Sell horses that don’t match the papers?
Make them register it THEN buy it. Problem solved. |
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| Your in the horse business don't even trust your brother.....
yes horses are still sold all the time with papers that don't match them...especially geldings.....some kill pen buyers do this on a reg basis and a thread will surface on here or fb of their wrong doing but nothing ever comes of it |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | How old is the horse? And yes sometimes this happems where the papers dont match, I wont buy unless the horse is reg. the longer you want to send in to get it reg the more it costs. |
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Location: Deep South | I have bought several horses in this same situation before. Some worked out fine, some did not. My advice is to know your seller! Research them, talk to people who know them. Are you buying directly from the breeder or is it a situation where the horse has already passed hands? Even just once. Because it becomes significantly more difficult if you are not purchasing directly from the original breeder. |
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| cowgalsissy - 2018-02-23 9:30 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-23 6:21 AM She comes with the necessary papers to do so. I am just wondering if this is a situation where I just have to trust that the papers they give me match the horse I’m putting in the trailer...? Like if I go to register this horse later and the hair sample doesn’t match, I know I can* go after them for selling me a fraud, but do people do that? Sell horses that don’t match the papers?
Make them register it THEN buy it. Problem solved.
YES! I have a now 3yo FSTV mare with no papers because the owner was moving/going thru a divorce and “would get us the paperwork”... |
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Location: Texas | You need to check things out, such as, has the dam been parentage verified? Has the sire been 5-panel tested? Just a couple of things I can think of that could make things difficult. |
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| Partly depends on the age of the horse. You need to remember that the older the horse is the more it costs to register the horse. If the DNA does not match you don't have much recourse. |
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Location: South Georgia | I bought a weanling once that was not yet registered. It all worked out fine, but I also knew the breeder and trusted her. I wouldn't advise it though.
The more I think on this, the horse I bought WAS REGISTERED! She just signed the back of the papers for the transfer and I had to send it in. I did not have to register the foal.
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Location: N Texas | I did once, but I bought a weanling form a reputable breeder and was able to register him with no problem.
That being said, unless you're ok with potentially ending up with a grade horse, I would advise against it. If this is someone you know and trust, that's a different story. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | What paperwork do they have? How old is the horse? Did they own the mare at the time of breeding and when this horse was foaled? Did the stallion breeding report include this horses dam? There are way too many questions that need to be answered before anyone can make a reasonable comment. If you're in doubt, the best thing is to call AQHA ask them what has been done. Even with all that known, you don't know if the horse is actually the horse they are saying it is unless or until you parentage verify it. ALL of that costs money and takes time and lots of co-operation from people.
I probably would walk away if the horse was not registered yet unless the price is dirt cheap and/or the horse is worth it as a grade. JMO |
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Location: North Dakota | How old is the horse?
We've bought 6-month-olds that had paperwork ready to go, but just not sent in yet. Which to me, isn't a huge deal.
If it was an older horse, I would absolutely be doing some checking to make sure.
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| We just bought a 4 year old that wasn’t registered. She had also bought him unregistered and was in the process of tracking down all of the signatures needed to register him and was actively following up with AQHA along the way. We paid her what we felt was a fair price for the horse grade and sent the papers in with the $640 check ourselves. Just got the papers back last month.
We also know the gal and feel she values her reputation and since she had done all the the leg work we felt good about the deal. |
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| The way I look at it is that if the paperwork is not in order, I move on. Just not into hassles. |
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| Dont do it. Wait until they do it then buy the horse. I had a friend that never registered their colt. I knew her and trusted her 100%, bought the colt then went to complete registration paperwork. The stallion owner/breeder didn't have his paperwork in order. Took months and months of attempting to get in contact and things completed. The stallion owner new he had me under his thumb and I ended up paying all his fees so this horse could get registered. Very expensive and absolute pain in my *ss. Lesson learned. Just because you trust the seller.....doesn't mean every other party involved is trustworthy. |
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Location: Armuchee, GA, NW section of Ga | This happended to me....i bought a mare in foal from breeder. She owned mare and stud. Mare was 5 months in foal. I was promised breeders certificate once foal hit the ground...well they wanted a additional $$$ for the certificate after the colt hit the ground. I went round & round with the seller, then when that failed I went round & round with APHA. They ultimately said it was a civil matter and I would have to sue the seller. So I gelded foal and registed him Pinto.
But I learned a valuable lesson. Never happen again. I found out later how bad these sellers were. Under handed horse traders. They were suspended from APHA membership and everyone in the county BUT me knew how shady they were/are...
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| janjan1 - 2018-02-25 4:46 PM
This happended to me....i bought a mare in foal from breeder. She owned mare and stud. Mare was 5 months in foal. I was promised breeders certificate once foal hit the ground...well they wanted a additional $$$ for the certificate after the colt hit the ground. I went round & round with the seller, then when that failed I went round & round with APHA. They ultimately said it was a civil matter and I would have to sue the seller. So I gelded foal and registed him Pinto.
But I learned a valuable lesson. Never happen again. I found out later how bad these sellers were. Under handed horse traders. They were suspended from APHA membership and everyone in the county BUT me knew how shady they were/are...
Some people are nuts. Selfish too. I would have taken them to court |
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