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| I saw a Facebook post about a mare who was showing subtle signs of bleeding back in hindsight, but until she fell very ill and eventually passed they did not think she was a bleeder.
It got me thinking - how do you take care of lungs on your non bleeders, especially as we head into the hot humid nasty part of summer?
The post suggested that lasix is cheap - but my understanding having never run one on it is that it is also hard on other systems, so I’m not sure I’d want to go down that road if I didn’t need to.
Typically I run on OxyBoost 2 hours out and AirPower before I get on to go warm up. I try to avoid terribly dusty areas - bothers my allergies as much as anything. Understand that neither of these two things function like lasix though and EIPH could still happen without knowing.
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| OhMax - 2018-05-22 3:35 PM
I saw a Facebook post about a mare who was showing a g subtle signs of bleeding back in hindsight, but until she fell very ill and eventually passed they did not think she was a bleeder.
It got me thinking - how do you take care of lungs on your non bleeders, especially as we head into the hot humid nasty part of summer?
The post suggested that lasix is cheap - but my understanding having never run one on it is that it is also hard on other systems, so I’m not sure I’d want to go down that road if I didn’t need to.
Typically I run on OxyBoost 2 hours out and AirPower before I get on to go warm up. I try to avoid terribly dusty areas - bothers my allergies as much as anything. Understand that neither of these two things function like lasix though and EIPH could still happen without knowing.
Thoughts?
My gelding has inflammatory airway and is destined to be a bleeder. He is completely off of hay and gets soaked cubes because of dust and mold. I've fought tooth and nail to get his problem figured out. He gets actual inhaled medications not just supplements. To many people think giving some herbal supplement will fix the problem. It is a band aid and will not be treat the actual problem. If a horse has respiratory issues they need to see a vet. It is nothing to mess around with because it can be very damaging.... Equine asthma, upper airway obstruction or bleeding. Most of the time if a horse has some extra taxation on their lungs they have a much higher risk of being a bleeder. I will never not Lasix. I know it can be hard on them in hot summer months but you must plan accordingly. What is best for your horse. Also follow up with a good electrolyte a few days after giving lasix. Lasix has minimal consequences compared to not running on it. You just must have a good plan with your vet. Lasix is not a scary drug. I think the worst is one liquid herbal supplement (I won't name it) is telling customers it cures bleeding. It drives me nuts. I've asked for studies and they refuse. They said look at the testimonials that if they published their studies for the public to see they would have to face the FDA.... Well they are already saying it cures when a supplement is not supposed to say they do. Completely ridiculous. MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR HORSE IS IN SHAPE! |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-22 6:44 PM
OhMax - 2018-05-22 3:35 PM
I saw a Facebook post about a mare who was showing a g subtle signs of bleeding back in hindsight, but until she fell very ill and eventually passed they did not think she was a bleeder.
It got me thinking - how do you take care of lungs on your non bleeders, especially as we head into the hot humid nasty part of summer?
The post suggested that lasix is cheap - but my understanding having never run one on it is that it is also hard on other systems, so I’m not sure I’d want to go down that road if I didn’t need to.
Typically I run on OxyBoost 2 hours out and AirPower before I get on to go warm up. I try to avoid terribly dusty areas - bothers my allergies as much as anything. Understand that neither of these two things function like lasix though and EIPH could still happen without knowing.
Thoughts?
My gelding has inflammatory airway and is destined to be a bleeder. He is completely off of hay and gets soaked cubes because of dust and mold. I've fought tooth and nail to get his problem figured out. He gets actual inhaled medications not just supplements. To many people think giving some herbal supplement will fix the problem. It is a band aid and will not be treat the actual problem. If a horse has respiratory issues they need to see a vet. It is nothing to mess around with because it can be very damaging.... Equine asthma, upper airway obstruction or bleeding. Most of the time if a horse has some extra taxation on their lungs they have a much higher risk of being a bleeder. I will never not Lasix. I know it can be hard on them in hot summer months but you must plan accordingly. What is best for your horse. Also follow up with a good electrolyte a few days after giving lasix. Lasix has minimal consequences compared to not running on it. You just must have a good plan with your vet. Lasix is not a scary drug. I think the worst is one liquid herbal supplement (I won't name it ) is telling customers it cures bleeding. It drives me nuts. I've asked for studies and they refuse. They said look at the testimonials that if they published their studies for the public to see they would have to face the FDA.... Well they are already saying it cures when a supplement is not supposed to say they do. Completely ridiculous. MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR HORSE IS IN SHAPE!
I agree with you! It’s more the ones with no known issues, who look great, who are clocking good, etc etc. what extra precautions if any does a person take, short of scoping them just to see - which probably isn’t a terrible idea.
I also agree totally about the in shape comment. I use MapMyRun to make sure I get my miles in, not just dinking around. |
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Location: NC | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-22 7:44 PM
OhMax - 2018-05-22 3:35 PM
I saw a Facebook post about a mare who was showing a g subtle signs of bleeding back in hindsight, but until she fell very ill and eventually passed they did not think she was a bleeder.
It got me thinking - how do you take care of lungs on your non bleeders, especially as we head into the hot humid nasty part of summer?
The post suggested that lasix is cheap - but my understanding having never run one on it is that it is also hard on other systems, so I’m not sure I’d want to go down that road if I didn’t need to.
Typically I run on OxyBoost 2 hours out and AirPower before I get on to go warm up. I try to avoid terribly dusty areas - bothers my allergies as much as anything. Understand that neither of these two things function like lasix though and EIPH could still happen without knowing.
Thoughts?
My gelding has inflammatory airway and is destined to be a bleeder. He is completely off of hay and gets soaked cubes because of dust and mold. I've fought tooth and nail to get his problem figured out. He gets actual inhaled medications not just supplements. To many people think giving some herbal supplement will fix the problem. It is a band aid and will not be treat the actual problem. If a horse has respiratory issues they need to see a vet. It is nothing to mess around with because it can be very damaging.... Equine asthma, upper airway obstruction or bleeding. Most of the time if a horse has some extra taxation on their lungs they have a much higher risk of being a bleeder. I will never not Lasix. I know it can be hard on them in hot summer months but you must plan accordingly. What is best for your horse. Also follow up with a good electrolyte a few days after giving lasix. Lasix has minimal consequences compared to not running on it. You just must have a good plan with your vet. Lasix is not a scary drug. I think the worst is one liquid herbal supplement (I won't name it ) is telling customers it cures bleeding. It drives me nuts. I've asked for studies and they refuse. They said look at the testimonials that if they published their studies for the public to see they would have to face the FDA.... Well they are already saying it cures when a supplement is not supposed to say they do. Completely ridiculous. MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR HORSE IS IN SHAPE!
I was wondering this too. I have one who coughs, and ive posted on here about him. When the vet looked at him, she did the rebreathing technique (with the bag) heard nothing and told me to use dex. The issue i have is he still coughs. Im thinking about starting lasix at shows esp as we get into hot, humid nc weather. Hes a turd about powder supplements and not a huge fan of tube ones either. |
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| Racer4eva - 2018-05-23 3:09 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-22 7:44 PM
OhMax - 2018-05-22 3:35 PM
I saw a Facebook post about a mare who was showing a g subtle signs of bleeding back in hindsight, but until she fell very ill and eventually passed they did not think she was a bleeder.
It got me thinking - how do you take care of lungs on your non bleeders, especially as we head into the hot humid nasty part of summer?
The post suggested that lasix is cheap - but my understanding having never run one on it is that it is also hard on other systems, so I’m not sure I’d want to go down that road if I didn’t need to.
Typically I run on OxyBoost 2 hours out and AirPower before I get on to go warm up. I try to avoid terribly dusty areas - bothers my allergies as much as anything. Understand that neither of these two things function like lasix though and EIPH could still happen without knowing.
Thoughts?
My gelding has inflammatory airway and is destined to be a bleeder. He is completely off of hay and gets soaked cubes because of dust and mold. I've fought tooth and nail to get his problem figured out. He gets actual inhaled medications not just supplements. To many people think giving some herbal supplement will fix the problem. It is a band aid and will not be treat the actual problem. If a horse has respiratory issues they need to see a vet. It is nothing to mess around with because it can be very damaging.... Equine asthma, upper airway obstruction or bleeding. Most of the time if a horse has some extra taxation on their lungs they have a much higher risk of being a bleeder. I will never not Lasix. I know it can be hard on them in hot summer months but you must plan accordingly. What is best for your horse. Also follow up with a good electrolyte a few days after giving lasix. Lasix has minimal consequences compared to not running on it. You just must have a good plan with your vet. Lasix is not a scary drug. I think the worst is one liquid herbal supplement (I won't name it ) is telling customers it cures bleeding. It drives me nuts. I've asked for studies and they refuse. They said look at the testimonials that if they published their studies for the public to see they would have to face the FDA.... Well they are already saying it cures when a supplement is not supposed to say they do. Completely ridiculous. MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR HORSE IS IN SHAPE!
I was wondering this too. I have one who coughs, and ive posted on here about him. When the vet looked at him, she did the rebreathing technique (with the bag ) heard nothing and told me to use dex. The issue i have is he still coughs. Im thinking about starting lasix at shows esp as we get into hot, humid nc weather. Hes a turd about powder supplements and not a huge fan of tube ones either.
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| OhMax - 2018-05-22 1:35 PM
I saw a Facebook post about a mare who was showing subtle signs of bleeding back in hindsight, but until she fell very ill and eventually passed they did not think she was a bleeder.
It got me thinking - how do you take care of lungs on your non bleeders, especially as we head into the hot humid nasty part of summer?
The post suggested that lasix is cheap - but my understanding having never run one on it is that it is also hard on other systems, so I’m not sure I’d want to go down that road if I didn’t need to.
Typically I run on OxyBoost 2 hours out and AirPower before I get on to go warm up. I try to avoid terribly dusty areas - bothers my allergies as much as anything. Understand that neither of these two things function like lasix though and EIPH could still happen without knowing.
Thoughts?
I have a mare that is a prime candidate to bleed but never has. My
Vet said I could use Lasix a preventative but for some reason it’s really really hard on her! Even at the minimum 3cc dose she feels like absolute CRUD for about 2-3 days after. Doesn’t matter if she gets electrolytes or not etc. she just washes out and so the benefit wasn’t worth it. I use a syrup prescribed by my vet and some other things including flare strips. She tends to kind of hold her breath. Lol. One of the best things you can do is keep your horse in tip top shape. |
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| If I had one that had a cough that I could not figure out why after trying different meds, I would definitely scope. |
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Location: NC | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-23 4:33 PM
Racer4eva - 2018-05-23 3:09 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-22 7:44 PM
OhMax - 2018-05-22 3:35 PM
I saw a Facebook post about a mare who was showing a g subtle signs of bleeding back in hindsight, but until she fell very ill and eventually passed they did not think she was a bleeder.
It got me thinking - how do you take care of lungs on your non bleeders, especially as we head into the hot humid nasty part of summer?
The post suggested that lasix is cheap - but my understanding having never run one on it is that it is also hard on other systems, so I’m not sure I’d want to go down that road if I didn’t need to.
Typically I run on OxyBoost 2 hours out and AirPower before I get on to go warm up. I try to avoid terribly dusty areas - bothers my allergies as much as anything. Understand that neither of these two things function like lasix though and EIPH could still happen without knowing.
Thoughts?
My gelding has inflammatory airway and is destined to be a bleeder. He is completely off of hay and gets soaked cubes because of dust and mold. I've fought tooth and nail to get his problem figured out. He gets actual inhaled medications not just supplements. To many people think giving some herbal supplement will fix the problem. It is a band aid and will not be treat the actual problem. If a horse has respiratory issues they need to see a vet. It is nothing to mess around with because it can be very damaging.... Equine asthma, upper airway obstruction or bleeding. Most of the time if a horse has some extra taxation on their lungs they have a much higher risk of being a bleeder. I will never not Lasix. I know it can be hard on them in hot summer months but you must plan accordingly. What is best for your horse. Also follow up with a good electrolyte a few days after giving lasix. Lasix has minimal consequences compared to not running on it. You just must have a good plan with your vet. Lasix is not a scary drug. I think the worst is one liquid herbal supplement (I won't name it ) is telling customers it cures bleeding. It drives me nuts. I've asked for studies and they refuse. They said look at the testimonials that if they published their studies for the public to see they would have to face the FDA.... Well they are already saying it cures when a supplement is not supposed to say they do. Completely ridiculous. MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR HORSE IS IN SHAPE!
I was wondering this too. I have one who coughs, and ive posted on here about him. When the vet looked at him, she did the rebreathing technique (with the bag ) heard nothing and told me to use dex. The issue i have is he still coughs. Im thinking about starting lasix at shows esp as we get into hot, humid nc weather. Hes a turd about powder supplements and not a huge fan of tube ones either. when does your horse cough?
Loping circles sometimes, sometimes not. He also just started to cough after a run. But he used to not. If you run him thru a field, even full out he will not cough. But like i said lope circles whether at home or at a race sometimes he will, sometimes not. The vet that did the re-breathing test thought maybe allergies and gave me dex. But he coughs while on it as well. |
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| I just saw this Facebook post the other day! My horses are fit. but it still worries me.
I'm going to start using Flair Strips. I figure I can at least help them get the air in easier. I used to use them on an older gelding I ran but never really thought to use them on my two younger ones.
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Location: the land of dust & sticks | Keeping one in good shape is the biggest thing. We have a horse who does not bleed but does cough a few times when you get on him, he is maintained easily on Cough Free, he is a rope horse, appears his cough is allergy related. I have a mare that runs barrels who does bleed and had a nasty airway prior to being put on oxygen 2x proB. So she’s on that plus runs on lasix, I did some research on flair strips and liked what I found so I tried them on her, I was actually able to reduce the amount of lasix I was giving her and she’s not bleeding with this regiment. So they seem to work for this mare. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | rodeomom3 - 2018-05-23 6:11 PM If I had one that had a cough that I could not figure out why after trying different meds, I would definitely scope.
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Location: In my own little world | I use EquiPulmin. It has been especially effective when conditions are hot, dry and dusty, when smoke is thick from forest fires, when it's hot and humid, and in the winter going from extreme cold temps into indoor arenas and back out to the cold. |
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| Mine is doing exact same thing!! We scoped twice already and all was clean and clear!! It is driving me nuts!! |
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Location: somewhere up north | Racer4eva - 2018-05-23 6:31 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-23 4:33 PM Racer4eva - 2018-05-23 3:09 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-22 7:44 PM OhMax - 2018-05-22 3:35 PM I saw a Facebook post about a mare who was showing a g subtle signs of bleeding back in hindsight, but until she fell very ill and eventually passed they did not think she was a bleeder. It got me thinking - how do you take care of lungs on your non bleeders, especially as we head into the hot humid nasty part of summer? The post suggested that lasix is cheap - but my understanding having never run one on it is that it is also hard on other systems, so I’m not sure I’d want to go down that road if I didn’t need to. Typically I run on OxyBoost 2 hours out and AirPower before I get on to go warm up. I try to avoid terribly dusty areas - bothers my allergies as much as anything. Understand that neither of these two things function like lasix though and EIPH could still happen without knowing. Thoughts? My gelding has inflammatory airway and is destined to be a bleeder. He is completely off of hay and gets soaked cubes because of dust and mold. I've fought tooth and nail to get his problem figured out. He gets actual inhaled medications not just supplements. To many people think giving some herbal supplement will fix the problem. It is a band aid and will not be treat the actual problem. If a horse has respiratory issues they need to see a vet. It is nothing to mess around with because it can be very damaging.... Equine asthma, upper airway obstruction or bleeding. Most of the time if a horse has some extra taxation on their lungs they have a much higher risk of being a bleeder. I will never not Lasix. I know it can be hard on them in hot summer months but you must plan accordingly. What is best for your horse. Also follow up with a good electrolyte a few days after giving lasix. Lasix has minimal consequences compared to not running on it. You just must have a good plan with your vet. Lasix is not a scary drug. I think the worst is one liquid herbal supplement (I won't name it ) is telling customers it cures bleeding. It drives me nuts. I've asked for studies and they refuse. They said look at the testimonials that if they published their studies for the public to see they would have to face the FDA.... Well they are already saying it cures when a supplement is not supposed to say they do. Completely ridiculous. MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR HORSE IS IN SHAPE! I was wondering this too. I have one who coughs, and ive posted on here about him. When the vet looked at him, she did the rebreathing technique (with the bag ) heard nothing and told me to use dex. The issue i have is he still coughs. Im thinking about starting lasix at shows esp as we get into hot, humid nc weather. Hes a turd about powder supplements and not a huge fan of tube ones either. when does your horse cough? Loping circles sometimes, sometimes not. He also just started to cough after a run. But he used to not. If you run him thru a field, even full out he will not cough. But like i said lope circles whether at home or at a race sometimes he will, sometimes not. The vet that did the re-breathing test thought maybe allergies and gave me dex. But he coughs while on it as well.
We have a mare like this that my daughter is riding. We had her scoped and did the BAL. She has inflammatory airway. So, we need to do some antibiotics to clear her up. He said we could run on ventipulmin but my main concern is just getting her lungs clear as my daughter doesn't run her hard. I do give her air power on the weekends too when we haul. We also eliminated her hay and found she stopped coughing. So, maybe you need to find out what causes your horse to cough. Ours was spiratic too. Try elminating hay. We now have her on pasture 12 hours a day and when we haul shes on hay cubes. So far that has helped but we still need to clear up the infection. |
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| I have a gelding that coughs when you first started riding. Lope a few circles and he coughs a few times and then he is good. Sometimes in the heat he'll cough a little more but not too bad. Had him scoped and nothing. Then took him into the university for an abscessed tooth and they found that he has a heart murmur. They said that was more than likely the cause of the mystery cough.
Not trying to scare you, just trying to give you another way to look. It could be more than a lung issue. |
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Location: NC | chasincansMN - 2018-06-13 10:11 AM
Racer4eva - 2018-05-23 6:31 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-23 4:33 PM Racer4eva - 2018-05-23 3:09 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-22 7:44 PM OhMax - 2018-05-22 3:35 PM I saw a Facebook post about a mare who was showing a g subtle signs of bleeding back in hindsight, but until she fell very ill and eventually passed they did not think she was a bleeder. It got me thinking - how do you take care of lungs on your non bleeders, especially as we head into the hot humid nasty part of summer? The post suggested that lasix is cheap - but my understanding having never run one on it is that it is also hard on other systems, so I’m not sure I’d want to go down that road if I didn’t need to. Typically I run on OxyBoost 2 hours out and AirPower before I get on to go warm up. I try to avoid terribly dusty areas - bothers my allergies as much as anything. Understand that neither of these two things function like lasix though and EIPH could still happen without knowing. Thoughts? My gelding has inflammatory airway and is destined to be a bleeder. He is completely off of hay and gets soaked cubes because of dust and mold. I've fought tooth and nail to get his problem figured out. He gets actual inhaled medications not just supplements. To many people think giving some herbal supplement will fix the problem. It is a band aid and will not be treat the actual problem. If a horse has respiratory issues they need to see a vet. It is nothing to mess around with because it can be very damaging.... Equine asthma, upper airway obstruction or bleeding. Most of the time if a horse has some extra taxation on their lungs they have a much higher risk of being a bleeder. I will never not Lasix. I know it can be hard on them in hot summer months but you must plan accordingly. What is best for your horse. Also follow up with a good electrolyte a few days after giving lasix. Lasix has minimal consequences compared to not running on it. You just must have a good plan with your vet. Lasix is not a scary drug. I think the worst is one liquid herbal supplement (I won't name it ) is telling customers it cures bleeding. It drives me nuts. I've asked for studies and they refuse. They said look at the testimonials that if they published their studies for the public to see they would have to face the FDA.... Well they are already saying it cures when a supplement is not supposed to say they do. Completely ridiculous. MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR HORSE IS IN SHAPE! I was wondering this too. I have one who coughs, and ive posted on here about him. When the vet looked at him, she did the rebreathing technique (with the bag ) heard nothing and told me to use dex. The issue i have is he still coughs. Im thinking about starting lasix at shows esp as we get into hot, humid nc weather. Hes a turd about powder supplements and not a huge fan of tube ones either. when does your horse cough? Loping circles sometimes, sometimes not. He also just started to cough after a run. But he used to not. If you run him thru a field, even full out he will not cough. But like i said lope circles whether at home or at a race sometimes he will, sometimes not. The vet that did the re-breathing test thought maybe allergies and gave me dex. But he coughs while on it as well.
I need to find a local vet to scope him. Hell take airpower but it doesnt help. They have a barn to go into but they have free choice pasture to go into. We went out sat for a trail ride and did a good amount of trotting/cantering and not one cough the entire time. |
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