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Location: Hill Country of TEXAS!! | Does anyone use a feed through Garlic to help with flies and insects? I have a older mare who flies seem to just love, always have. Id like to help her all i can :) I fed it over 10 yrs ago and i cant remember if it helped or which one i fed.
If you do feed it and you see it does help, what brand and where do you buy it from? |
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  That's White "Man" to You
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| I had a spanish teacher in high school that did feed thru garlic for himself. He claimed it cured his cancer. It kept everything away from him, so I'm sure it would work on flies. He was rank.
He would write articles about himself and how well he did at the senior olympics. lol very interesting fella.
Edited by Whiteboy 2018-06-19 2:35 PM
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Location: Georgia | Ive been trying it for a few weeks now and see no difference in my horses |
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| I tried it for my dog a few years ago, and saw no difference, expect he burped garlic breath all day! |
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 Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | We are trying it out on some geldings we have in the corral. Using EquiLix with garlic. So far not seeing much improvement with the flies. But I do like the lick so far. |
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Doggy Diaper Designer
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Location: WI | I read somewhere that you can overfeed it and cause issues so I'd research it further before you feed much
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A handful of studies have looked at the potential side effects of feeding horses garlic. Garlic and other alliums (plants in the onion family) contain several potential toxins, the principal one being N-propyl disulfide. This compound alters the enzyme glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase in red blood cells, which interferes with the cell’s ability to prevent oxidative damage to hemoglobin (a protein responsible for transporting oxygen in the blood). The damaged hemoglobin precipitates on the surface of red blood cells resulting in what is known as Heinz bodies. The liver and spleen both act to remove damaged red blood cells from circulation, leading to anemia due to reduced numbers of circulating red blood cells. This form of anemia is known specifically as Heinz body anemia.
Feeding more than 0.4 grams per kilogram body weight of freeze dried garlic has led to Heinz body anemia in horses. This is the equivalent to feeding a 500-kilogram (1,100-pound) horse 200 or more grams per day, which is just under half a pound. While this amount could easily be consumed by horses eating wild garlic growing in pastures it is unlikely that this amount would be given on purpose.
However, in a second study researchers showed a tendency for decreased hemoglobin and red blood cell count when feeding 32 milligrams (mg) of garlic per kilogram of body weight over an 83-day period. This suggests that in the same 500-kilogram horse feeding as little as 16 grams (about half an ounce) could cause alterations in blood chemistry.
While many people feed garlic and report no ill effects, the clinical signs might not be obvious and depending on the dose, frequency, and duration of the dose given there could be low-grade deleterious effects.
The National Research Council states that more data is need to fully assess the potential risks and benefits of feeding garlic but that feeding 15 mg per kilogram of body weight per day (or 7.5 grams) of dried garlic powder on a long-term basis should not lead to any adverse event in horses under normal circumstances. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | SKM - 2018-06-19 11:28 PM Found this: A handful of studies have looked at the potential side effects of feeding horses garlic. Garlic and other alliums (plants in the onion family) contain several potential toxins, the principal one being N-propyl disulfide. This compound alters the enzyme glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase in red blood cells, which interferes with the cell’s ability to prevent oxidative damage to hemoglobin (a protein responsible for transporting oxygen in the blood). The damaged hemoglobin precipitates on the surface of red blood cells resulting in what is known as Heinz bodies. The liver and spleen both act to remove damaged red blood cells from circulation, leading to anemia due to reduced numbers of circulating red blood cells. This form of anemia is known specifically as Heinz body anemia. Feeding more than 0.4 grams per kilogram body weight of freeze dried garlic has led to Heinz body anemia in horses. This is the equivalent to feeding a 500-kilogram (1,100-pound) horse 200 or more grams per day, which is just under half a pound. While this amount could easily be consumed by horses eating wild garlic growing in pastures it is unlikely that this amount would be given on purpose. However, in a second study researchers showed a tendency for decreased hemoglobin and red blood cell count when feeding 32 milligrams (mg) of garlic per kilogram of body weight over an 83-day period. This suggests that in the same 500-kilogram horse feeding as little as 16 grams (about half an ounce) could cause alterations in blood chemistry. While many people feed garlic and report no ill effects, the clinical signs might not be obvious and depending on the dose, frequency, and duration of the dose given there could be low-grade deleterious effects. The National Research Council states that more data is need to fully assess the potential risks and benefits of feeding garlic but that feeding 15 mg per kilogram of body weight per day (or 7.5 grams) of dried garlic powder on a long-term basis should not lead to any adverse event in horses under normal circumstances.
I can back this up with my personal experience. I have labs that back up the anemia and have had horses that became bleeders while we ran them on garlic. Some insist on it helping. I like the thiamine route better. Also like the calming I get from the thiamine. |
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| I tried it years ago. Bought it from Springtime, Inc. It didn't work and the horses started to not want to eat their feed but my tack room smelled like an Italian cafe! |
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| Well then, I wont be trying garlic lol. I'm glad this was posed. I have been wanted a safe feed through.
Someone recommended apple cider vinegar to me (takes a while of feeding it to get it in their system to help with flies). Anyone have experience with that? |
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| I have also heard or read that you are not supposed to feed garlic to dogs or cats as it is highly toxic to them. |
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Location: The Lone Star State | ok im going to be the lone ranger here. I posted a couple of weeks ago about my 3 year old that was eaten up with what I thought were mosquitos, turns out its a fly allergy it was BAD! I had already ordered a 5 gal bottle of bug off garlic so I thought why not try it. At first he wouldnt eat it. it comes with a scoop(1 oz) youre only to give 1 x per day. so I decided to mix up a bunch in water and pour it on him lol. Well after 2 days of this no more whelps. so I started to give a tiny bit in his feed once a day. He started eating it. Now he eats 1 scoop a day its only an oz and his whelps are completely gone. I did nothing else. I swear by it! I only have this problem a couple months out of the year(summer) so Im not worried about any ill effects and in fact did my own research and found out a lot of good in small quantities.
http://www.horse-advice.com/equi-therapy/herbal/garlic-horses.shtml
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | three products come to mind:
Solitude IGR
Simplifly
Bugcheck
Haven't used them personally but may check into one of those three options. |
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Saint Stacey
| If you go with the garlic, just make sure you get it from a company that makes products for horses. That’s probably your safest route. |
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Location: NE Wyoming | I'm with you, a believer! I've purchased the Bug Off garlic from Springtime for 17 years and never had a problem. We've had horses that are allergic to most flysprays and every bug there is in NE Wyoming, and this was a lifesaver for them. We usually start it in March and feed until it freezes. One year we felt we couldn't afford it, so opted to forego feeding it. This particular year I had two horses that were just welts from head to tail, started them back up and they were like new horses. We feed 2 oz per day for 30 days, then 1 oz per day. Our horses absolutely LOVE it, some will lick it out of your hands!
Edit to add that I'm in agreement with Ticktock!
Edited by Kara Creek Cowgirl 2018-06-20 4:34 PM
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