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| Last night I entered an open race with a side pot for those between the ages 16-39. There were a total of 8 entries at $30 entry fee and 70% payout. ($240 total collected and $168 will be paid back in a 4D format paying one hole in each D). There ended up not being anyone in the 2D so the payout was as follows: 1D - $65 2D - $0 3D - $54 4D - $49.
Does that look right? I assumed since no one was in the 2D that money rolls up into the 1D. Instead it was split up between the 3D and 4D (with 1D seeing no benefit).
I was not the 1D winner so the payout doesnt affect me at all... but, I dont know what the right payout should be. |
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Location: Illinois | A lot of places are going to do it differently when it's not a sanctioned show with a rulebook stating how it is to be paid. Generally when we do it and don't have anyone in on division we take the money, recalculate and pay it out as if it was a 3D instead of 4D and it gets split between all divisions. |
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | I would hope they would split it between all divisions but I bet there are some who would keep it since"no one actually won it" |
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Location: N Texas | cowgalsissy - 2018-07-27 10:35 AM
I would hope they would split it between all divisions but I bet there are some who would keep it since"no one actually won it"
Yeah, I would much rather see it equally divided up rather than kept by the producer  |
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Location: N Texas | I think the fairest way is to split it up evenly among the D's that do pay out. If the 3D had no placings, should the 2D winner get it and the 1D get nothing extra? That doesn't really seem right to me. |
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| Gunner11 - 2018-07-27 10:12 AM I think the fairest way is to split it up evenly among the D's that do pay out. If the 3D had no placings, should the 2D winner get it and the 1D get nothing extra? That doesn't really seem right to me.
I guess I assumed if there was no 2D those winnings would go to the 1D. If there was no one in the 3D, those winnings would get split between 1D and 2D.
I had no clue what the normal rule of thumb was. This is a rare occurrence where I live... To be honest, I have never seen it happen in my area. We usually have 100+ runners in the open, but due to an abudance of rodeos and large added races coming up this weekend we only had 56 open entries. |
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| i was going to say that I hate to go any where that they have no rules but that is another story.
One person who posts on here occasionally was the only person in the 1D at a fairly large barrel race. (Maybe 200 entries). They paid her first place and said since it was a benefit they would keep the rest of the money. Seriously. This is one of the biggest producers in our area. I just don't go there and I notice there a fewer and fewer local people attending.
When you go to a show and they blatantly violate rules, there is a problem. This show has gone from 400 entries to 40. By the way, it was an AQHA show. Think there is a problem????? This was reported to AQHA and they did nothing.
If you do not like the way the show was run. Don't go back. |
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Location: Missouri | I have seen it split a couple of ways.
1. take the 2D money and split evenly among the other 3 d's
2. refigure the % of each remaining D - say 50%, 30%, 20%
As of the person winning the 1 D out right, she deserved the entire 1D pot - not just 1st place money. Now if it was a series type deal and giving prizes out, she might only get "points" for the 1st place money (if they kept track of series by how much money won). |
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| streakysox - 2018-07-27 12:18 PM i was going to say that I hate to go any where that they have no rules but that is another story. One person who posts on here occasionally was the only person in the 1D at a fairly large barrel race. (Maybe 200 entries). They paid her first place and said since it was a benefit they would keep the rest of the money. Seriously. This is one of the biggest producers in our area. I just don't go there and I notice there a fewer and fewer local people attending. When you go to a show and they blatantly violate rules, there is a problem. This show has gone from 400 entries to 40. By the way, it was an AQHA show. Think there is a problem????? This was reported to AQHA and they did nothing. If you do not like the way the show was run. Don't go back.
I just want to clarify I was not complaining how the show was run or if they broke the rules... It is a great association/producer and I have brought this up to them, but like most of us they also have a 'real' job and cannot take a look until later tonight. I was only asking what is the norm in this circumstance because it does not happen often. |
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| Mis_Trev - 2018-07-27 3:46 PM
streakysox - 2018-07-27 12:18 PM i was going to say that I hate to go any where that they have no rules but that is another story. One person who posts on here occasionally was the only person in the 1D at a fairly large barrel race. (Maybe 200 entries). They paid her first place and said since it was a benefit they would keep the rest of the money. Seriously. This is one of the biggest producers in our area. I just don't go there and I notice there a fewer and fewer local people attending. When you go to a show and they blatantly violate rules, there is a problem. This show has gone from 400 entries to 40. By the way, it was an AQHA show. Think there is a problem????? This was reported to AQHA and they did nothing. If you do not like the way the show was run. Don't go back.
I just want to clarify I was not complaining how the show was run or if they broke the rules... It is a great association/producer and I have brought this up to them, but like most of us they also have a 'real' job and cannot take a look until later tonight. I was only asking what is the norm in this circumstance because it does not happen often.
I was just saying that I won't go to a show that does not have rules. The point about the AQHA SHOW was that apparently I am not the only one who thinks that if you have rules, they need to be followed. Losing 90% of you entries does make a statement. We want go to that one again either.
One producer said there would be NO hanky panky at the holding pen. I a little vague on that one. Perhaps you can explain. (Laughing)
Edited by streakysox 2018-07-28 12:44 AM
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | so if i run the numbers....there should have been $50 in the 2D (30%) of the $168. from the numbers you shown there was nothing added to the 1d payout (40%). The 3D and 4D the payout was added too. I show that $21 was added to the third and $32 to the 4th. Thats very odd to me but i would always split the money among the other winners with equall splits. However they did pay the total payback out and only kept their 30% of the entry fees.
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| I was JUST looking at some information on a barrel series at a cowboy church. They have RULES! Their rule on this stated that if no one fell in one of the D's that the money would be kept and added to the money for the next show. At least they are prepared and thinking ahead. |
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| It seems a lot of smaller races these days don't publish their pay out scales. This race did it right in my opinion by adjusting each divisions pay out. I've been to a couple where the race producer just keeps the division money by saying no one earned that pay out.
ETA: I completely disagree with any producer holding payout moneys over from one race to the next. The people that paid entries deserve to have the payout in the race they entered and not feel like they have to enter the next race at a chance to earn their entry fees back.
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Location: N Texas | bscanchaser - 2018-07-30 10:16 AM
It seems a lot of smaller races these days don't publish their pay out scales. This race did it right in my opinion by adjusting each divisions pay out. I've been to a couple where the race producer just keeps the division money by saying no one earned that pay out.
ETA: I completely disagree with any producer holding payout moneys over from one race to the next. The people that paid entries deserve to have the payout in the race they entered and not feel like they have to enter the next race at a chance to earn their entry fees back.
I agree, all payouts should be paid for THAT race. |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | bscanchaser - 2018-07-30 11:16 AM It seems a lot of smaller races these days don't publish their pay out scales. This race did it right in my opinion by adjusting each divisions pay out. I've been to a couple where the race producer just keeps the division money by saying no one earned that pay out.
ETA: I completely disagree with any producer holding payout moneys over from one race to the next. The people that paid entries deserve to have the payout in the race they entered and not feel like they have to enter the next race at a chance to earn their entry fees back.
i ran the numbers... they only added the money to the second and third div in this particular instance. and more to the third division than the second. |
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