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Location: Willows, CA | Turnin3inTN - 2018-08-23 12:07 PM
winwillows - 2018-08-22 2:20 PM It is hard to list the true active in this product due to AAFCO label definitions. The marine algae that at least part of the calcium is sourced from is Lithothamnion. A mouthful I know, but very effective at neutralizing acid due to it's unique structure that has a honey comb type make up that increases surface area greatly. It also has a long effective time compared to conventional limestone sourced calcium and is kind of like a time release. We have worked extensively with this and have a different approach to formulation with no fillers coming out in the next few weeks. The technology that Purina is using here is hard to see in their analysis, but if there is enough in there it should work. Not too sure about the all the other ingredients, but what they have as a active does work.
Win, are you saying Renew Gold is coming out with a version of ulcer protection added-in? I sure do hope so!
A stand alone product to begin with. Inclusion testing in current formulations has just started. |
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Location: Hill Country of TEXAS!! | Tdove - 2018-08-22 4:03 PM https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691512001123 Here is one study that found no gastric protection from Lithothamnion calcareum algae in laboratory test on rats. I just don't believe in it. If you use it and like it, that is great. I certainly think there are many ways to feed and you have just as much right to have your preferences. Personally, I feel the best way to approach ulcers is to feed as well as possible. We feed high inclusions of alfalfa with natural and whole feed ingredients, concentrated on anti-inflammation. We do not have any issues with ulcers, though I realize that sometimes ulcers can develop and need treatment.
Im going to ask this because I really want to know what your thought is as I know you'll probably say to feed your feed. I fed your formula in Omnis and it got slightly better but this one horse was still really bad. My supplier stopped carrying Omnis so I had to go with Hay-Rite he got a little better but still a major problem. This horse ate no grain, no supplements, no extras other than a round bale and the cubes. They are also turned out 24/7 w access to hay at all times. Even in the trailer. So why did added Outlast change him so much when he had been on this type of feeding for well over a year? Outlast was the only thing I added to this horses nutrition. |
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Location: Arkansas | This may have already been talked about. . . . Have those of you that are feeding the feed with the Outlast in it seen a difference? We got our first bags Tuesday since they added the Outlast and was just wondering. |
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Location: Nebraska | Chandler's Mom - 2018-08-23 8:17 PM This may have already been talked about. . . . Have those of you that are feeding the feed with the Outlast in it seen a difference? We got our first bags Tuesday since they added the Outlast and was just wondering.
I've noticed a big difference in mine. My hard keeper actually is starting to look full and everyone is extra shiny. |
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Location: Arkansas | brlracerchick - 2018-08-23 10:48 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2018-08-23 8:17 PM This may have already been talked about. . . . Have those of you that are feeding the feed with the Outlast in it seen a difference? We got our first bags Tuesday since they added the Outlast and was just wondering.
I've noticed a big difference in mine. My hard keeper actually is starting to look full and everyone is extra shiny.
We feed the Healthy Edge to 2 of ours, and we will probably start the new bag next week. Both of these horses are EASY keepers and just getting enough feed in the mornings to get their Forco and CJ supplements. Do you even think that will be enough to see a difference? ( How much are you feeding?) |
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Location: Georgia | Chandler's Mom - 2018-08-24 2:05 AM
brlracerchick - 2018-08-23 10:48 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2018-08-23 8:17 PM This may have already been talked about. . . . Have those of you that are feeding the feed with the Outlast in it seen a difference? We got our first bags Tuesday since they added the Outlast and was just wondering.
I've noticed a big difference in mine. My hard keeper actually is starting to look full and everyone is extra shiny.
We feed the Healthy Edge to 2 of ours, and we will probably start the new bag next week. Both of these horses are EASY keepers and just getting enough feed in the mornings to get their Forco and CJ supplements. Do you even think that will be enough to see a difference? ( How much are you feeding? )
I believe to get the maximum benefit they have to get a full serving of feed. |
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Location: Arkansas | mandita8907 - 2018-08-24 8:18 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2018-08-24 2:05 AM
brlracerchick - 2018-08-23 10:48 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2018-08-23 8:17 PM This may have already been talked about. . . . Have those of you that are feeding the feed with the Outlast in it seen a difference? We got our first bags Tuesday since they added the Outlast and was just wondering.
I've noticed a big difference in mine. My hard keeper actually is starting to look full and everyone is extra shiny.
We feed the Healthy Edge to 2 of ours, and we will probably start the new bag next week. Both of these horses are EASY keepers and just getting enough feed in the mornings to get their Forco and CJ supplements. Do you even think that will be enough to see a difference? ( How much are you feeding? )
I believe to get the maximum benefit they have to get a full serving of feed.
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Location: Nebraska | Chandler's Mom - 2018-08-24 1:05 AM brlracerchick - 2018-08-23 10:48 PM Chandler's Mom - 2018-08-23 8:17 PM This may have already been talked about. . . . Have those of you that are feeding the feed with the Outlast in it seen a difference? We got our first bags Tuesday since they added the Outlast and was just wondering. I've noticed a big difference in mine. My hard keeper actually is starting to look full and everyone is extra shiny. We feed the Healthy Edge to 2 of ours, and we will probably start the new bag next week. Both of these horses are EASY keepers and just getting enough feed in the mornings to get their Forco and CJ supplements. Do you even think that will be enough to see a difference? ( How much are you feeding? )
Mine get 3 1/2 to 4 lb a day depending on activity
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Location: Arkansas | brlracerchick - 2018-08-25 1:40 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2018-08-24 1:05 AM brlracerchick - 2018-08-23 10:48 PM Chandler's Mom - 2018-08-23 8:17 PM This may have already been talked about. . . . Have those of you that are feeding the feed with the Outlast in it seen a difference? We got our first bags Tuesday since they added the Outlast and was just wondering. I've noticed a big difference in mine. My hard keeper actually is starting to look full and everyone is extra shiny. We feed the Healthy Edge to 2 of ours, and we will probably start the new bag next week. Both of these horses are EASY keepers and just getting enough feed in the mornings to get their Forco and CJ supplements. Do you even think that will be enough to see a difference? ( How much are you feeding? )
I'm interested in seeing what it does for mine-may be cold before they got up to full serving tho! |
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Location: Willows, CA | winwillows - 2018-08-23 12:37 PM
Turnin3inTN - 2018-08-23 12:07 PM
winwillows - 2018-08-22 2:20 PM It is hard to list the true active in this product due to AAFCO label definitions. The marine algae that at least part of the calcium is sourced from is Lithothamnion. A mouthful I know, but very effective at neutralizing acid due to it's unique structure that has a honey comb type make up that increases surface area greatly. It also has a long effective time compared to conventional limestone sourced calcium and is kind of like a time release. We have worked extensively with this and have a different approach to formulation with no fillers coming out in the next few weeks. The technology that Purina is using here is hard to see in their analysis, but if there is enough in there it should work. Not too sure about the all the other ingredients, but what they have as a active does work.
Win, are you saying Renew Gold is coming out with a version of ulcer protection added-in? I sure do hope so!
A stand alone product to begin with. Inclusion testing in current formulations has just started.
You will likely not see this blended into Renew Gold even though the low feed rates allow for proper control of the active. I see value to this as a stand alone additive that can be added to a low or no grain diet. This lets you dose at the proper amount without having all the fillers in the diet from having to feed a full recommended amount of a 4 to 6 pound per day blended feed. I always recommend that people stay away from feeds that contain mystery "byproducts" listed ingredients. Those types of products can be contributors to the reason you need help with ulcers in the first place. Kind of like giving a baby a sharp knife with a bandaid holder in the handle.
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