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Location: Oklahoma | Ive seen someone run a horse under his name and then enter horse 2 and run again on same horse. Thats whole another can of worms but didnt win a dime so no one said anything. and no it is not me lol |
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | Turnburnsis - 2019-09-16 3:24 PM
Ive seen someone run a horse under his name and then enter horse 2 and run again on same horse. Thats whole another can of worms but didnt win a dime so no one said anything. and no it is not me lol
Wow, that's pretty brassy. |
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| GLP - 2019-09-16 12:09 PM
Runninbay - 2019-09-16 12:42 PM
Frodo - 2019-09-16 11:36 AM
FLITASTIC - 2019-09-16 10:21 AM
BOTTOM LINE.... its a OPEN 4D (5D whatever) barrel race!!! OPEN...... so anyone should be able to enter whatever horse they want, when they want. Only time you need a name is in the aged ( Futurities) categories, novice etc. AN open barrel race is an open barrel race. I always use names but I could care less if people enter horses as 1,2,3 etc... Everyone in the open runs the same pattern.
I don't know what difference the word "open" has to do with it.....it has to do with fairness.
I agree with Flit. Around here, OPEN means there are no rules. So say I have two horses....Jack and Jill....Jack gets draw #5 and Jill gets draw #21. I can run Jill at #5 and Jack at #21 and no one can say a thing to me. Doesnt bother me if people want to sign up like this. To each their own. At jackpots around here you dont even have to declare a horse's name. Now at sanctioned shows, you have to declare your horses name and it has to be run in the draw it was given or you get DQed.
There always “rules” at barrel races, they are just unspoken, understood “rules”. So when you decide to sell your horse and you are known for entering horse 1, 2 and 3, don’t be upset if buyers don’t want to pay 1D money for a horse with unverifiable 1D times because not all 3 of the horses you run are 1D horses and they don’t trust your word. Granted, at the big races they do use names, but I know for a fact horses still get switched with nary a word said. People don’t want to be the snitch. Not all who run under horse 1,2,3 are untrustworthy, but a lot are.
Likewise, it could potentiallly affect other people trying to sell horses. A horse running a half second of of Haley Kinsel and "Sister" is a lot more impressive than a horse running a half second off of "Horse #2". I keep photos of results and log everything, and when Horse #1 or Horse #3 wins the barrel race it's frustrating to not be able to show those results to a potential buyer because who knows whether that horse is a real true 1D horse, or a "local 1D" horse. |
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| Some of you completely missed the purpose of the post. I never stated it was an Open show. Obviously, it would not matter at an Open or a rodeo who rode what. When you have multiple horses running at a 4D barrel race you should not be entering your horses as Horse 1, Horse 2, Horse 3, Horse 4. This becomes an easy way to manipulate the results. Like for example: How am I supposed to keep track with what horse someone ran as Horse 1 last weekend? If you do not live local there is no way you can keep track to make sure the results are accurate. I realize you may want a certain horse to be top of ground or bottom- but isn't that the luck of the draw? I don't have my panties in a wad but I am saying producers should stop allowing this. This is definitely something people should reconsider if they are selling because I sure will not trust anyone entering their horses like this. Entering them like this also saves the horse's reputation because no one knows who Horse 1 is but they do know Horse 1 ran really bad this past Saturday. |
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Location: Missouri | Turnburnsis - 2019-09-16 3:24 PM
Ive seen someone run a horse under his name and then enter horse 2 and run again on same horse. Thats whole another can of worms but didnt win a dime so no one said anything. and no it is not me lol
Holy cow. I wouldn't have the guts to do that. Why do people have to be so danged dishonest? |
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Duct Tape Bikini Girl
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| There are a few in north Texas that do this on a regular basis. The purpose is so they can run their best horse in the best draw position they receive. If there is not a rule stating you must use your horse's registered name, I don't care. However, when the rules read, "Use your horses registered name," and the rule is not followed or enforced it's another story. Rules seem to be overlooked for a few in this area. |
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Duct Tape Bikini Girl
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| Oh, and "open" doesn't mean "no rules" in the area I live in. Open simply means a horse/rider of any age is eligible to compete in it. Every divisional/open race I compete in has rules displayed in writing. When an organization has rules, I expect them to be enforced. |
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 Ms. Elvis
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | Just ridiculous and lazy, a way to cheat the system. I can't tell you how badly I wanted to snitch on someone earlier this year. |
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