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BS Hauler
Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2021-03-04 11:14 AM
Subject: I hope not all people from Oregon are this stupid


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Oregon House Bill HB 3305.

Will Ban the use of diesel fuel in the whole state by 2028.https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2021R1/Measures/Overview/HB3305

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Frodo
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2021-03-04 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: I hope not all people from Oregon are this stupid


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Let's run those 18-wheelers on solar panels.  See how that works out.

 

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3canstorun
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2021-03-04 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: I hope not all people from Oregon are this stupid



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Just think of the ramifications if you are traveling through that area.  No diesel to be found.  

 

I surely hope they are smart enough not to pass it.  

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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2021-03-04 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: I hope not all people from Oregon are this stupid


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3canstorun - 2021-03-04 11:38 AM


Just think of the ramifications if you are traveling through that area.  No diesel to be found.  


 


I surely hope they are smart enough not to pass it.  


Folks should be aware of the History of Oregon attempting to pass a mileage driven tax several back. This would have in effect made every road in Oregon a toll road, but instead paying for driving on a specific road, the odometer miles would have dictated how much the tax fee would be!

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I<3BarrelRacing
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2021-03-04 2:48 PM
Subject: RE: I hope not all people from Oregon are this stupid




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Thanks for the heads up, sending a very *tasteful* email to the sponsoring representative momentarily....

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CanCan
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2021-03-04 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: I hope not all people from Oregon are this stupid


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That would mean bye-bye Pendleton.

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3canstorun
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2021-03-04 3:30 PM
Subject: RE: I hope not all people from Oregon are this stupid



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foundation horse - 2021-03-04 12:46 PM


3canstorun - 2021-03-04 11:38 AM


Just think of the ramifications if you are traveling through that area.  No diesel to be found.  


 


I surely hope they are smart enough not to pass it.  



Folks should be aware of the History of Oregon attempting to pass a mileage driven tax several back. This would have in effect made every road in Oregon a toll road, but instead paying for driving on a specific road, the odometer miles would have dictated how much the tax fee would be!


True.  Also, it used to be that Oregon was the place to get your base plates on trucks using the IRP.  I imagine that has gone by the way side.  

 

 

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vjls
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2021-03-04 4:38 PM
Subject: RE: I hope not all people from Oregon are this stupid


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oh they pass that they will absolutely die  no traines no trucks nada

 

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I<3BarrelRacing
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2021-03-04 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: I hope not all people from Oregon are this stupid




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OK so I sent my scathing email and got this response from the Rep's Intern.... I don't trust these people's intentions at all and it seems quite fishy...

Thank you for contacting Rep Power about HB 3305 and we are sorry that the misinformation over this bill is causing concern.  
 
Rep Power introduced this bill on behalf of a major locally-owned trucking company in Oregon. They are seeking to promote more types of diesel fuel, have already implemented components of the bill and saw bottom line savings for their business and better performance from their trucks.  Some of their operations take place in our district, and she is pleased to partner with their industry. They hope to have a hearing later in session so they can provide accurate information on the bill, for it does not ban equipment or trucks from operating after 2028. That would obviously eliminate their company operations. 

The company has been using renewable diesel fuels (not biofuels) and has found that renewable diesel is saving them money, and their engines and equipment have run better on this type of diesel fuel. They have explained that the diesel fuel can be used in all existing engines and has required no retrofits. It is why they prefer that type of fuel. The company asked us to introduce the bill so they could begin conversations with other freight companies and global fuel suppliers. 
 
They are seeking to phase out petroleum-based diesel and have those sales replaced it with renewable diesel, which can be used the same as petroleum-based diesel in all diesel engines. Major companies like BP and Chevron are now producing renewable diesel and selling it in major metropolitan areas elsewhere in the country. The bill sets an initial date to have similar diesel sales in the Portland metropolitan area, before sales are promoted statewide. The concept caught our attention because it could help reduce petroleum emissions but not require anyone to purchase new equipment or retrofit existing equipment. We are still learning more from their technical experts and continue to participate in meetings on the bill and the technology. 

Thank you for your email and contacting our office to learn more. 

 

 

To which I responded...... 

I can’t help but notice the reluctance to mention the name of the supposed “major locally-owned trucking company” or what this supposed new fuel actually is or any research/information backing up any of your claims. So it would appear a bill has been introduced with limited research, with potential unknown long term implications from using said mystery fuel. And then this:

 

“The company asked us to introduce the bill so they could begin conversations with other freight companies and global fuel suppliers.” 

 

Hmmmm sounds like “the company,” Rep Power and the global fuel suppliers involved in this product have potential financially biased motives for sending forward such a bill. And heck, if the fuel turns out to damage our vehicles/equipment in the long run, it’s a fantastic excuse to force people into electric vehicles (that are not currently capable of meeting the demands that we currently have in regards to aspects such as towing) and by not allowing the option of traditional diesel, every diesel vehicle would be affected. Sounds intelligent. If you have research or legitimate information to back up the claims of this bill, I would be interested in reviewing it. I will also be on the lookout for updates related to this bill as I’m sure every other diesel owner in Oregon will do.

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Lucy's Mom
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2021-03-05 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: I hope not all people from Oregon are this stupid



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I<3BarrelRacing - 2021-03-05 5:29 PM


OK so I sent my scathing email and got this response from the Rep's Intern.... I don't trust these people's intentions at all and it seems quite fishy...


Thank you for contacting Rep Power about HB 3305 and we are sorry that the misinformation over this bill is causing concern.  
 
Rep Power introduced this bill on behalf of a major locally-owned trucking company in Oregon. They are seeking to promote more types of diesel fuel, have already implemented components of the bill and saw bottom line savings for their business and better performance from their trucks.  Some of their operations take place in our district, and she is pleased to partner with their industry. They hope to have a hearing later in session so they can provide accurate information on the bill, for it does not ban equipment or trucks from operating after 2028. That would obviously eliminate their company operations. 


The company has been using renewable diesel fuels (not biofuels) and has found that renewable diesel is saving them money, and their engines and equipment have run better on this type of diesel fuel. They have explained that the diesel fuel can be used in all existing engines and has required no retrofits. It is why they prefer that type of fuel. The company asked us to introduce the bill so they could begin conversations with other freight companies and global fuel suppliers. 
 
They are seeking to phase out petroleum-based diesel and have those sales replaced it with renewable diesel, which can be used the same as petroleum-based diesel in all diesel engines. Major companies like BP and Chevron are now producing renewable diesel and selling it in major metropolitan areas elsewhere in the country. The bill sets an initial date to have similar diesel sales in the Portland metropolitan area, before sales are promoted statewide. The concept caught our attention because it could help reduce petroleum emissions but not require anyone to purchase new equipment or retrofit existing equipment. We are still learning more from their technical experts and continue to participate in meetings on the bill and the technology. 


Thank you for your email and contacting our office to learn more. 


 


 


To which I responded...... 


I can’t help but notice the reluctance to mention the name of the supposed “major locally-owned trucking company” or what this supposed new fuel actually is or any research/information backing up any of your claims. So it would appear a bill has been introduced with limited research, with potential unknown long term implications from using said mystery fuel. And then this:


 


“The company asked us to introduce the bill so they could begin conversations with other freight companies and global fuel suppliers.” 


 


Hmmmm sounds like “the company,” Rep Power and the global fuel suppliers involved in this product have potential financially biased motives for sending forward such a bill. And heck, if the fuel turns out to damage our vehicles/equipment in the long run, it’s a fantastic excuse to force people into electric vehicles (that are not currently capable of meeting the demands that we currently have in regards to aspects such as towing) and by not allowing the option of traditional diesel, every diesel vehicle would be affected. Sounds intelligent. If you have research or legitimate information to back up the claims of this bill, I would be interested in reviewing it. I will also be on the lookout for updates related to this bill as I’m sure every other diesel owner in Oregon will do.


I'm wondering if they are talking about Fred Meyers, just before my Dad retired they started transitioning to LP to run their trucks on. Though they don't have the range needed to cover the whole state and up into the Washington/Idaho stores. I think Dad said they maybe have a 300-350 mile range, and when he would go to the southern coast he could get back as far as Salem, before needing to refill. And that in it self is a problem, because they need to have special stations just for the trucks and attendants on duty at all times.

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fulltiltfilly
Reg. Dec 2008
Posted 2021-03-05 2:09 PM
Subject: RE: I hope not all people from Oregon are this stupid



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So how do they think any commidities will get delivered to them? Steam engine?

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cranky B4 10am
Reg. Dec 2009
Posted 2021-03-05 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: I hope not all people from Oregon are this stupid


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fulltiltfilly - 2021-03-05 2:09 PM


So how do they think any commidities will get delivered to them? Steam engine?


Mmm, something like this?

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vjls
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2021-03-05 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: I hope not all people from Oregon are this stupid


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well i am a agent fo a 1000 plus truck line plus freind with landstar agents

 

i will ask i will ask our  people

 

they will know

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