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| Geez, So are we going to have to start asking for a ladies only futurity? Flame me if you want but I have an issue with this. I only saw a couple of women on the entries. It is getting to the point where its almost usless to try to even compete against the men. It even makes my husband mad to see me competing against them and he hardly rides. Just had to say something. Let the flames begin...
Edited by Justmeandmy3 2004-04-10 9:38 PM
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Location: BFE, Texas |  Huh? What futurity? It reads like you don't want to compete against women. Did you mean them or against men? Me confused... |
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Location: Illinois | From the results of futurities I have seen, there are alot of male riders. These guys are riding many horses in these futurities. Maybe there just fewer women entering on only a few horses instead of 6 or 8 head. |
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| I see it as a lot of males riding most of the horses. Why should the women bother?. Men should have their own futurity division. Im all for keeping it segregated.  My husband even agrees. Even if you have a mediocre horse, a man has more capability to muscle that horse around the barrels therefore pushing someone elses chance (female) of getting a check. Why dont more women rope calves. Thats just my point. I have a 3 yo that I would love to futurity. My only shot would be entering a non pro. I wouldnt waste my money going up against a Troy or chris coffey. Odds alone dictate that if they are running 5 - 10 horses their chances of getting a check are much better than my one horse. Unless she is a "Hotshot" in the rough. |
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Location: At The End of The Red Dirt Road | I agree with you ... sounds like that is a part of the decision to go back to running them at 4 - don't think they actually came out and said it was men, but that the ones that have access to so many horses would be limited if they ran at 4. I cannot get my computer to download the media player, so missed the runs tonight, but I did go watch a little bit of the futurity at Tulsa last month and I wasn't too impressed with most of the men who ran there. There was a whole lot of jerking and pulling going on... I am sure they may pull some checks, but I would sure hate to be the next person trying to ride the horse. Of course, I also complain about women who look like they are just sitting there letting bad things happen instead of riding more aggressively!!! |
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Location: Florida | we'll go to our grave disagreeing on this one...LoL I'm not flaming, but I am disagreeing... You have a couple of men who happen to be very good at what they do...and they currently have good horses to ride. As far as men being stronger and having an unfair advantage...my only reply would be so....women have better balance. Does that give them an unfair advantage over the males other than Crumrine or Coffey (sp?)? Possibly...but I'd say line'em up...and let the horses decide!  |
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Location: Woodstown, NJ | I guess they run the futurities because we won't let them run the WPRA. I don't blame them and I don't mind running against them. |
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Location: Wisconsin | Originally written by GiddyUpNgo on 2004-04-10 11:55 PM we'll go to our grave disagreeing on this one...LoL I'm not flaming, but I am disagreeing... You have a couple of men who happen to be very good at what they do...and they currently have good horses to ride. As far as men being stronger and having an unfair advantage...my only reply would be so....women have better balance. Does that give them an unfair advantage over the males other than Crumrine or Coffey (sp?)? Possibly...but I'd say line'em up...and let the horses decide! Not to mention we have a HUGE weight ADVANTAGE over these guys, our horses can really fly with our little butts on them!!!!! LOL As far as muscle being an advantage, I'll arm-wrestle any one of those guys for a pink slip to their horse!!! |
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| Well, in my opinion there are enough events for men. I would like to see a few less men in the mix as well. |
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| I don't go to any of the futurities but I have noticed in a lot of the pictures of some of the men that the mouths are very gapped and the heads tied tightly. This makes me think that they are having a lot of muscle pulling them around. Not all of the pictures of men are like this but I did notice most of the pictures of one man (can't remember who) were all gapped and pulled. |
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Location: South Texas | Haven't you ever noticed that when BFA puts out their standings they but and astericks * by the name of the women riders.....go figure
Edited by snazzy1414 2004-04-11 9:53 AM
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Location: san antonio texas | Not to mention we have a HUGE weight ADVANTAGE over these guys, our horses can really fly with our little butts on them!!!!! LOL I completely disagree! Troy, Chris, Jaime Hunt, are very skinny small men. And this may tick some women off but I see more overweight women in this sport than any of the men. To me the men take it very seriously like real jockeys and keep their weight down. Most of the women don't. I for one think the likes of Charmayne and Sherry are much classier in the saddle than ANY man running barrels. |
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| Originally written by carlos on 2004-04-11 9:56 AM Not to mention we have a HUGE weight ADVANTAGE over these guys, our horses can really fly with our little butts on them!!!!! LOL I completely disagree! Troy, Chris, Jaime Hunt, are very skinny small men. And this may tick some women off but I see more overweight women in this sport than any of the men. To me the men take it very seriously like real jockeys and keep their weight down. Most of the women don't. I for one think the likes of Charmayne and Sherry are much classier in the saddle than ANY man running barrels. I agree with you CARLOS, I WOULD LOVE to see a match race between the top 10 women(most money won) & the top 10 men! Maybe we could get something going here on BHW & sponsor something like this. Wouldn't that be neat! We could web cast it too. You would have both men & women watching to see who would be the best! I also would like for the top barrel trainers to be eligible, like ED Wright & Martha.
Edited by Belinda 2004-04-11 11:04 AM
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| Originally written by Justmeandmy3 on 2004-04-10 10:06 PM
I see it as a lot of males riding most of the horses...... Odds alone dictate that if they are running 5 - 10 horses their chances of getting a check are much better than my one horse. Unless she is a "Hotshot" in the rough. So are you saying you don't want to run against men, or just against men who enter more than one horse. If you go to a barrel race and see that Kelly Yates, or any other top pro, has entered multiple horses, do you draw out because she has a better chance of getting a check? I'll be honest, some of these guys riding styles do nothing for me. But it works for them. People pay them a lot of money to train & run their horses. They have multiple horses running because people pay them to do it. |
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| Originally written by txdad on 2004-04-11 10:52 AM Originally written by Justmeandmy3 on 2004-04-10 10:06 PM
I see it as a lot of males riding most of the horses...... Odds alone dictate that if they are running 5 - 10 horses their chances of getting a check are much better than my one horse. Unless she is a "Hotshot" in the rough. So are you saying you don't want to run against men, or just against men who enter more than one horse. If you go to a barrel race and see that Kelly Yates, or any other top pro, has entered multiple horses, do you draw out because she has a better chance of getting a check? I'll be honest, some of these guys riding styles do nothing for me. But it works for them. People pay them a lot of money to train & run their horses. They have multiple horses running because people pay them to do it. |
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Location: BFE, Texas | Ok, now that I've had some sleep! When I saw the topic, I was picturing guys on a rotisserie, for GP.(Guess it was the Rainy days and men topic). This morning I was "DUH! Turn and Burn Futurity" Anyhooo, yep, it looks like the guys have taken over the gals hobby. Eons ago, I remember guys having their own class at futurities and there were "maybe" less than a half dozen. Notice also, this was about the same era that women were crying about equal rights, yadda, yadda. Well, just goes to show, be careful what you wish for! JMO All in all, I liked it better when it was segregated. My hubby also agrees about guys running against gals, he does'nt like it either, but since it's here, he just makes sure our horses have enough handle on them so I don't have to out muscle the guys. (yes, most of those man driven horses are being yanked around, pictures don't lie, nor do my eyes, again, JMObservation) As far as the weight issue, how many of the guys have had kids? or have to take care of household stuff, chase kids around, work all the horses...you have to eat something to keep up strength...oh, genetics play in there somewhere too. I'm not saying all are "voluptuous" due to this, Krispy Kremes pop in the picture quite often! I'm not at my young age weight either and no matter how much I try, I'll never get there unless I quit eating all together, nor can I lop off about 6 inches off my 5'8 height, so I just accept it and ride harder. Guess what I'm trying to say, altho I don't agree with what's going on nowadays, it's probably not going to change, so I just buck up and keep on keeping on, and accept things for the way it is now. Rodeo has also changed so much since the old days, but if you want to compete, you need to conform. I'm not going to flame anyone for difference of opinion, and guys, please don't take offense, we're just voicing our thoughts. |
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Exceptional Baseball Mom
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Location: Wisconsin | All butt-jokes aside, my real opinion as to why we are seeing more men is MONEY. Face it, there is a ton of cash at these futurities and not to mention the sale of the horse they are running. Barrel racing is big time money in the futurity arena and gender aside they are there to get a piece of it too. Really, do you think we would be seeing as many men if they were just running for a buckle?? JMO don't hurt me!!! |
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Location: Oklahoma |  YOU go girl! I agree. THey are man handling them most of time. You can spot it in pictures too. And why is all the "TOP" names get more coverage than the little gal who made a great run in 4-d or 3-d. Have just a Prof division. FOr the whoha's and let us weekend warriors than bust our butts in the midst of weekly "jobs" go to a race and be able to race against the NON-PRo with their souped up hosses. It's get political Like AQHA shows who you know who you are how much did you spend on your pony I can run with em sure I have no problem with that I DO get sick of the clicks and OH LALALA's when they are present. And once you buy one of their horses tell me "HOW many of them do you see again,, running that way and winning? ok flame me now |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | You CAN compete with, and outrun the guys!! I agree that takes dedication and a lot of hard work, but it's our choice to do it or not. It takes a tough, tough person, physically and mentally to ride that hard and really want it that bad. These guys have no fear, they ride with a bull rider mentality, and they will really try a horse right up to the barrel every single time there's money up. I think some women tend to want a run to be more correct, and they don't really get the blood in their eye that the guys do. Alona James comes as close to riding like the guys as any woman I've seen. You also have to dedicate yourself daily to doing what it takes to keep you and your horse conditioned to the nines to have the strength, speed, and power it will take to outrun them. It just all depends on how bad you want it, and how hard you are willing to work for it. You will never talk to a champion that said it was easy...they all made sacrifices to get to the top. |
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| Originally written by Cindy Hamilton on 2004-04-11 2:33 PM
You CAN compete with, and outrun the guys!! I agree that takes dedication and a lot of hard work, but it's our choice to do it or not. It takes a tough, tough person, physically and mentally to ride that hard and really want it that bad. These guys have no fear, they ride with a bull rider mentality, and they will really try a horse right up to the barrel every single time there's money up. I think some women tend to want a run to be more correct, and they don't really get the blood in their eye that the guys do. Alona James comes as close to riding like the guys as any woman I've seen. You also have to dedicate yourself daily to doing what it takes to keep you and your horse conditioned to the nines to have the strength, speed, and power it will take to outrun them. It just all depends on how bad you want it, and how hard you are willing to work for it. You will never talk to a champion that said it was easy...they all made sacrifices to get to the top. You took the words right out of my mouth. I would like to also add that I think women tend to train more when they ride, which you stated as ride correctly. I think we are more of a teacher mentality as men as more of brute force.( Fix it or break it>>>>men) |
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