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  Bye-Bye Jiggle
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Location: Where ever there's sunshine! | Are they good for a horse or not?
There are so many people that feed them, yet so many that say they are no good. I'm soo confused.
Dr Flemming in South Florida feeds a diet that is 45% oats, 45% barley, 10% cracked corn, 1/4 c ground flax.
I would exchange the corn for some other fat.
I know multiple horses on her feeding program and only use homeopathic remedies and they look and work like a million bucks. I really want to follow her ways, but I can't decide on the oats because I don't fully understand both sides to be able to form my own educated opinion. |
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Location: Oregon | I feed whole oats to one horse and he does great on them and the other horse gets Senior (processed feed - gasp!) and it's the only thing that will keep weight on him. I just think you feed what works for your horse and not every feed program is going to work for every horse.
But that's the thing about horse people - ask 10 different people and you're likely to get 10 different opinions  |
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Location: Kansas | Katie's - 2013-11-21 1:18 PM I feed whole oats to one horse and he does great on them and the other horse gets Senior (processed feed - gasp!) and it's the only thing that will keep weight on him. I just think you feed what works for your horse and not every feed program is going to work for every horse.
But that's the thing about horse people - ask 10 different people and you're likely to get 10 different opinions
I agree, you will hear mixed opinions on this topic. I'm on neither side :)
You can always try them, and if they work keep him on them. If not, there are plenty other brand of grain to try |
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Bye-Bye Jiggle
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Location: Where ever there's sunshine! | Oh boy do I know the 21 answers game lol I'm just looking for the reasons for not feeding oats i guess. Thank you ladies! |
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Location: Kansas | I'm not very knowledgeble but I believe it's because they are mineral and vitamin deficient, so you would have to supp those in if you were to feed oats....except if they were fortified? Not sure exactly, and also heard they were carbs. Thats about all i know
I'm going to add so I don't get flamed, I'm not against feeding them.
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Location: kentucky | I agree you will get so many mixed opinons on whole grains and horses, we have fed it for years and my vet covinced me to switch over to a well known very expensive processed feed and I did for several months and I hated how my horses were looking ! I had to go back to my grain mix ! Ours is oats, some cracked corn, soybean meal for added protein and soybean oil and I do add flax and ADM mineral. Our horses are so shiney and have good energy levels, I feed at the rate of 3.5 pounds twice a day and have them on a good grass hay. Are mix comes out to be 12.5% protein and about 8% fat |
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Location: Where we still run to look when the siren goes by. | I feed whole oats only as something to give them supplements in (RedCell) They get about 1/2lb+ at night. Otherwise they are pasture+hay only.
They look and work great.
One horse is a hard keeper and he gets a special mix senior feed. He also has a hole somewhere in his nose/sinus/throat area and he will choke on oats. That is the only thing he has had trouble with.
I tried feeding oats a few years ago and my horses got REALLY lazy on them..not sure why. I did some research and read that if you don’t feed enough they can get lazy on them, then there were those that said if you fed too much they would get hot hot hot.. so yes there is a lot of controversy regarding the feeding of oats. Based off of what I have read and my own experimenting with different grains and mixes I went back to whole oats with a good multi vitamin and am very happy with the results.
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The Advice Guru
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| Some horses cannot process the starch in oats, horses with Pssm need to be kept on a low starch diet, so oats would not be good for them.
Whole oats are highly fermentable which can cause a ph shift in the hind gut which then can cause a release of endotoxins (I think) which can them cause founder.
With that being said, I do feed whole oats, I feed my horses 1/2 gallon to gallon of oats per day, but when I am hauling I go to a pelleted feed that is low in starch high in fat so my horses don't wash out.
I was told oats is like chocolate it gives that sugar rush with the horrible low.
As with anything a balanced diet, and moderation is key |
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Location: Florida.. | oats are fine if its the right mixture for your horse and its health.. some cant handle it. some dont thrive on them.. others do.. OATS is not the culprit.. its the lack of or to much of.. other stuff.. if Peggy says try it then try it.. if your horse does well then great .. if not then change ..
if its a older horse they may not be able to chew that combo.. though.. just a thought..
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| The benchmark that feed companies use for their feeds made with human food processed waste products is oats and alfalfa which is the balanced phos and cal ratio of all feeds along with plenty of vitamins and nutrients that come naturally. The small amount of corn is for the oil in the corn for shiney coats and good chewing saliva while eating which is a must for good digestion ...
OATS, ALFALFA AND CORN are the basic feeds for horses and has been all horses need for 100's of years. I will add a handful of ADM GroStrong minerals to the feed every other day . Works for all ages and if working just increase amount of feed. Depending on needs and use ... everyone at my barn get 6-9 lbs of feed per day.
Oats and corn are carbs that give you that regular first amount of energy and the protein in alfalfa is slower to turn into sucrose so it is the energy you get during the run home or at the end of the race on the track.
Here is the common rate of protein in these 3 feeds ... corn 8% protein; oats 12% protein with good fiber content; alfalfa avg rating is 16% protein. If you calculated one lb of each together ... you end up with a 12% protein feed ...
Growing up .. all our big draft logging mules and plow horses got was 3 feedings of corn each day and good quality hay ... never a problem with these hard working animals.
I am constantly amazed at how little a lot of people say they feed ... like the 1/2 lb of oats statement above .... that is only 2 Campbell soup cans of oats ... weevils will eat the bag of oats before the horse could at this feeding rate.... Why bother if that is all the horse is going to get?? ( one pound of steam rolled oats is 3 qts)
Humans are responsible for good feed to their horses and not believing all the marketing hype from large profit feed companies that are packaging waste products to sell to you as feed for your horses .... go read the ingredients and tell us where they came from and what they are named on the sack .. ... lol
Barley and wheat are NO NO'S ... they are sticky and pasty in the gut and can accumulate in a stomach/colon wrinkle and create digestive problems big time ....
Another unusual thing with all the supplements everyone say they use ... Is that vets never ever say the horse has gone toxic, kidney shutdown, muscle spasms, tying up or other problems when you over feed certain vitamins and minerals ... you will be amazed what happens when there is an over accumulation of vitamins and minerals built up in a horses body .... (you will probably find better information on humans than googling about horses) ... same problems happen in both ..
Same with fad diseases ... last 2 years it was PSSM and EPM ... previous years hock injections, stifles, West Nile, Lyme disease, and flapper surgery ... .. ... I think 2014 will be floppy ear or switchey tail syndrome ... lol
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The Advice Guru
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2013-11-22 2:33 AM
The benchmark that feed companies use for their feeds made with human food processed waste products is oats and alfalfa which is the balanced phos and cal ratio of all feeds along with plenty of vitamins and nutrients that come naturally. The small amount of corn is for the oil in the corn for shiney coats and good chewing saliva while eating which is a must for good digestion ...
OATS, ALFALFA AND CORN are the basic feeds for horses and has been all horses need for 100's of years. I will add a handful of ADM GroStrong minerals to the feed every other day . Works for all ages and if working just increase amount of feed. Depending on needs and use ... everyone at my barn get 6-9 lbs of feed per day.
Oats and corn are carbs that give you that regular first amount of energy and the protein in alfalfa is slower to turn into sucrose so it is the energy you get during the run home or at the end of the race on the track.
Here is the common rate of protein in these 3 feeds ... corn 8% protein; oats 12% protein with good fiber content; alfalfa avg rating is 16% protein. If you calculated one lb of each together ... you end up with a 12% protein feed ...
Growing up .. all our big draft logging mules and plow horses got was 3 feedings of corn each day and good quality hay ... never a problem with these hard working animals.
I am constantly amazed at how little a lot of people say they feed ... like the 1/2 lb of oats statement above .... that is only 2 Campbell soup cans of oats ... weevils will eat the bag of oats before the horse could at this feeding rate.... Why bother if that is all the horse is going to get?? ( one pound of steam rolled oats is 3 qts)
Humans are responsible for good feed to their horses and not believing all the marketing hype from large profit feed companies that are packaging waste products to sell to you as feed for your horses .... go read the ingredients and tell us where they came from and what they are named on the sack .. ... lol
Barley and wheat are NO NO'S ... they are sticky and pasty in the gut and can accumulate in a stomach/colon wrinkle and create digestive problems big time ....
Another unusual thing with all the supplements everyone say they use ... Is that vets never ever say the horse has gone toxic, kidney shutdown, muscle spasms, tying up or other problems when you over feed certain vitamins and minerals ... you will be amazed what happens when there is an over accumulation of vitamins and minerals built up in a horses body .... (you will probably find better information on humans than googling about horses) ... same problems happen in both ..
Same with fad diseases ... last 2 years it was PSSM and EPM ... previous years hock injections, stifles, West Nile, Lyme disease, and flapper surgery ... .. ... I think 2014 will be floppy ear or switchey tail syndrome ... lol
I have to disagree with you calling pssm a fad.
That is like calling diabetes a fad in humans.
The more research being completed, the more information we learn, and the better decisions we make for ourselves and animals. |
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Location: Kansas | cheryl makofka - 2013-11-22 3:13 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2013-11-22 2:33 AM The benchmark that feed companies use for their feeds made with human food processed waste products is oats and alfalfa which is the balanced phos and cal ratio of all feeds along with plenty of vitamins and nutrients that come naturally. The small amount of corn is for the oil in the corn for shiney coats and good chewing saliva while eating which is a must for good digestion ... OATS, ALFALFA AND CORN are the basic feeds for horses and has been all horses need for 100's of years. I will add a handful of ADM GroStrong minerals to the feed every other day . Works for all ages and if working just increase amount of feed. Depending on needs and use ... everyone at my barn get 6-9 lbs of feed per day. Oats and corn are carbs that give you that regular first amount of energy and the protein in alfalfa is slower to turn into sucrose so it is the energy you get during the run home or at the end of the race on the track. Here is the common rate of protein in these 3 feeds ... corn 8% protein; oats 12% protein with good fiber content; alfalfa avg rating is 16% protein. If you calculated one lb of each together ... you end up with a 12% protein feed ... Growing up .. all our big draft logging mules and plow horses got was 3 feedings of corn each day and good quality hay ... never a problem with these hard working animals. I am constantly amazed at how little a lot of people say they feed ... like the 1/2 lb of oats statement above .... that is only 2 Campbell soup cans of oats ... weevils will eat the bag of oats before the horse could at this feeding rate.... Why bother if that is all the horse is going to get?? ( one pound of steam rolled oats is 3 qts) Humans are responsible for good feed to their horses and not believing all the marketing hype from large profit feed companies that are packaging waste products to sell to you as feed for your horses .... go read the ingredients and tell us where they came from and what they are named on the sack .. ... lol Barley and wheat are NO NO'S ... they are sticky and pasty in the gut and can accumulate in a stomach/colon wrinkle and create digestive problems big time .... Another unusual thing with all the supplements everyone say they use ... Is that vets never ever say the horse has gone toxic, kidney shutdown, muscle spasms, tying up or other problems when you over feed certain vitamins and minerals ... you will be amazed what happens when there is an over accumulation of vitamins and minerals built up in a horses body .... (you will probably find better information on humans than googling about horses) ... same problems happen in both .. Same with fad diseases ... last 2 years it was PSSM and EPM ... previous years hock injections, stifles, West Nile, Lyme disease, and flapper surgery ... .. ... I think 2014 will be floppy ear or switchey tail syndrome ... lol I have to disagree with you calling pssm a fad. That is like calling diabetes a fad in humans. The more research being completed, the more information we learn, and the better decisions we make for ourselves and animals.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Peggy Flemings feed program is not whole oats she feeds steam rolled oats and barley, mine didn't like the barley so I switched back to whole oats.
I add t&a pellets, ground flax, coco soya oil and a daily vitamin from smart pack to mine, have been feeding it for years, never had any issues. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | RnRJack - 2013-11-22 9:22 AM Peggy Flemings feed program is not whole oats she feeds steam rolled oats and barley, mine didn't like the barley so I switched back to whole oats. I add t&a pellets, ground flax, coco soya oil and a daily vitamin from smart pack to mine, have been feeding it for years, never had any issues.
I think thats what the poster said.. |
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