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| From what I see..... She does look sore somewhere. The stumbling around the barrels would be a red flag for soreness just because she did it more than once. It looks like she grabs the bit and hangs on when you turn the barrels. I think she needs to go back to the basics, she needs to be softened up in the ribs and face. If you trot or lope a circle try to give and take pressure on the reins...... Holding the reins solid will create alot of bad habits. You want your horse to respond to the slightest rein and leg pressure not resist it. I think you posting a video on here takes alot of nerve and i give you credit for that. | |
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| spitzh - 2013-12-09 2:09 PM
From what I see..... She does look sore somewhere. The stumbling around the barrels would be a red flag for soreness just because she did it more than once. It looks like she grabs the bit and hangs on when you turn the barrels. I think she needs to go back to the basics, she needs to be softened up in the ribs and face. If you trot or lope a circle try to give and take pressure on the reins...... Holding the reins solid will create alot of bad habits. You want your horse to respond to the slightest rein and leg pressure not resist it. I think you posting a video on here takes alot of nerve and i give you credit for that.
You don't think it could just be the slippy mud going around?? This was after a month of training, she got her very soft to the bit etc. She got her farther then I did, she's better when she rides her. I am just trying to figure out how to accommodate her. She's rough to ride and gets hot easily. But likes to go. I changed her bit, to a butterfly bit. My trainer thought she was to sensitive for a lot of shank or gag action and so did I. She's got first barrel down, but when she goes to second, she think she knows the game. So we are working on tons of rating, backing and getting on her hindend, moving her shoulder over like she told me to do.
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 12:19 PM I WASN'T dogging on Loflin. I didn't mean to ask the question rudely either! I have already apologized privately and on the board. And no, this really doesn't offended me because I do know I ride like crap. Its why I am taking lessons and sent her to the trainer a month ago. I didn't mean for it to be rude, I am so sorry.
I saw that. 
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Location: Oregon | Why would you even try to lope her through the barrels in slippery mud when she's that green? That's a good way to get hurt, get her hurt or at the very least make her lose any confidence she might have. | |
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| crapshooter - 2013-12-09 2:14 PM
Why would you even try to lope her through the barrels in slippery mud when she's that green? That's a good way to get hurt, get her hurt or at the very least make her lose any confidence she might have.
My trainer trusted the ground.... We were loping circles and she wasn't slipping or anything.... Just around the barrels was a little thick. I wont defend myself, because you are probably right. But I trust my trainer....... | |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 2:13 PM
spitzh - 2013-12-09 2:09 PM
From what I see..... She does look sore somewhere. The stumbling around the barrels would be a red flag for soreness just because she did it more than once. It looks like she grabs the bit and hangs on when you turn the barrels. I think she needs to go back to the basics, she needs to be softened up in the ribs and face. If you trot or lope a circle try to give and take pressure on the reins...... Holding the reins solid will create alot of bad habits. You want your horse to respond to the slightest rein and leg pressure not resist it. I think you posting a video on here takes alot of nerve and i give you credit for that.
You don't think it could just be the slippy mud going around?? This was after a month of training, she got her very soft to the bit etc. She got her farther then I did, she's better when she rides her. I am just trying to figure out how to accommodate her. She's rough to ride and gets hot easily. But likes to go.
To me...you didn't ask me but i'm going to tell anyways :), it wasn't the ground, she was tripping over her own feet! pushing against the bit, not paying attention to you, and getting strung out. like I said in the previous post I made, if I were you I would carry an over-n-under and get after her when she trips like that. That can be dangerous for you and her when she doesn't try to catch herself in a fall. Work the fence and make her get to movin on her hind end and moving those front feet. Start out slow and work up to a faster speed. | |
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| JRC - 2013-12-09 2:20 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 2:13 PM
spitzh - 2013-12-09 2:09 PM
From what I see..... She does look sore somewhere. The stumbling around the barrels would be a red flag for soreness just because she did it more than once. It looks like she grabs the bit and hangs on when you turn the barrels. I think she needs to go back to the basics, she needs to be softened up in the ribs and face. If you trot or lope a circle try to give and take pressure on the reins...... Holding the reins solid will create alot of bad habits. You want your horse to respond to the slightest rein and leg pressure not resist it. I think you posting a video on here takes alot of nerve and i give you credit for that.
You don't think it could just be the slippy mud going around?? This was after a month of training, she got her very soft to the bit etc. She got her farther then I did, she's better when she rides her. I am just trying to figure out how to accommodate her. She's rough to ride and gets hot easily. But likes to go.
To me...you didn't ask me but i'm going to tell anyways : ), it wasn't the ground, she was tripping over her own feet! pushing against the bit, not paying attention to you, and getting strung out. like I said in the previous post I made, if I were you I would carry an over-n-under and get after her when she trips like that. That can be dangerous for you and her when she doesn't try to catch herself in a fall. Work the fence and make her get to movin on her hind end and moving those front feet. Start out slow and work up to a faster speed.
Get after her?? Like how so? This was the 5/6 time we had been working it and she was getting frazzled, my trainer told me that was one of the better runs and to quit on that one so we did. | |
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Location: Oregon | I would not get after her for tripping, I think that's bad advice. I think it's good advice to work her on better ground though. | |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 2:23 PM
JRC - 2013-12-09 2:20 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 2:13 PM
spitzh - 2013-12-09 2:09 PM
From what I see..... She does look sore somewhere. The stumbling around the barrels would be a red flag for soreness just because she did it more than once. It looks like she grabs the bit and hangs on when you turn the barrels. I think she needs to go back to the basics, she needs to be softened up in the ribs and face. If you trot or lope a circle try to give and take pressure on the reins...... Holding the reins solid will create alot of bad habits. You want your horse to respond to the slightest rein and leg pressure not resist it. I think you posting a video on here takes alot of nerve and i give you credit for that.
You don't think it could just be the slippy mud going around?? This was after a month of training, she got her very soft to the bit etc. She got her farther then I did, she's better when she rides her. I am just trying to figure out how to accommodate her. She's rough to ride and gets hot easily. But likes to go.
To me...you didn't ask me but i'm going to tell anyways : ), it wasn't the ground, she was tripping over her own feet! pushing against the bit, not paying attention to you, and getting strung out. like I said in the previous post I made, if I were you I would carry an over-n-under and get after her when she trips like that. That can be dangerous for you and her when she doesn't try to catch herself in a fall. Work the fence and make her get to movin on her hind end and moving those front feet. Start out slow and work up to a faster speed.
Get after her?? Like how so? This was the 5/6 time we had been working it and she was getting frazzled, my trainer told me that was one of the better runs and to quit on that one so we did.
What mean is when she trips like that(grant it, for you it might be hard because your learning like she is) I would over-n-under her once or carry a small quirk and give her a good healthy tap with it so that she will try harder to place her feet and not trip and when she does she'll try even harder to pick herself up. she about went clean to her nose on that third barrel when she tripped. it's ok if for some reason my horses trip but they better try with all there might to catch them selves and pick themselves up. I think the reason she is tripping is because she's to focused on fighting the bit around that turn and she's getting strung out. If you try just rating her and giving short taps with your inside rein instead of a constant pressure it might keep her from leaning into the bit and getting front heavy. Working the fence will help too because she won't be able to lean into the bit because she'll get a mouth full of fence. she'll have to use her hind end and move her front feet around. I bet you would only have to get on to her a couple of times when she trips and she'll understand that she needs to pay attention to her feet and try a little harder to catch herself.
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Location: Oregon | That's just wrong to blame (and punish) the horse for being strung out and tripping when she's working on slick ground with an inexperienced rider.
Also the rider isn't going to have the experience or timing to know when or how to get after the horse.
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| I am inexperienced around barrels with this horse..... My other mare I am not, she's much smoother and easier to ride. I have had the mare in the video for 4 years coming up in April, she was green broke when I got her and I have tried my best to make her a great mare and she's really become one. She's just not for beginners, at all. She is one to take advantage if you give her one shred of thought that she can. She isn't and easy horse, but she's mine and I wouldn't give her up. She and I are still getting acclimated on the barrels together, both learning, which probably isn' the best way to go. Trainer told me she's come a lot farther and is better. But she still has a LOT to work on. I wont deny I can't ride her very well in barrels, because I just can't yet. But we are working on it. | |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 2:40 PM
I am inexperienced around barrels with this horse..... My other mare I am not, she's much smoother and easier to ride. I have had the mare in the video for 4 years coming up in April, she was green broke when I got her and I have tried my best to make her a great mare and she's really become one. She's just not for beginners, at all. She is one to take advantage if you give her one shred of thought that she can. She isn't and easy horse, but she's mine and I wouldn't give her up. She and I are still getting acclimated on the barrels together, both learning, which probably isn' the best way to go. Trainer told me she's come a lot farther and is better. But she still has a LOT to work on. I wont deny I can't ride her very well in barrels, because I just can't yet. But we are working on it.
Everything takes time and everyone has their own way of doing things. Just go through this thread, there's a lot of good advice amongst the negative nancy's on here. Good luck and for what it's worth you have gotten a lot better in your riding! | |
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Location: Oregon | BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 12:40 PM I am inexperienced around barrels with this horse..... My other mare I am not, she's much smoother and easier to ride. I have had the mare in the video for 4 years coming up in April, she was green broke when I got her and I have tried my best to make her a great mare and she's really become one. She's just not for beginners, at all. She is one to take advantage if you give her one shred of thought that she can. She isn't and easy horse, but she's mine and I wouldn't give her up. She and I are still getting acclimated on the barrels together, both learning, which probably isn' the best way to go. Trainer told me she's come a lot farther and is better. But she still has a LOT to work on. I wont deny I can't ride her very well in barrels, because I just can't yet. But we are working on it.
You can't train a horse to do something you don't know how to do or what it should feel like. That's not an insult or being negative that's just common sense. As you get more experienced you will be able to train a horse to move like it should so it won't get all strung out and trip. For this you need feel and timing and there is no way to get that without experience. So keep riding and getting experienced help and you will develop the skills you need to train a barrel horse. Everything you do to that horse is teaching it something, good or bad. | |
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Location: Paradise , tx | crapshooter - 2013-12-09 2:27 PM I would not get after her for tripping, I think that's bad advice. I think it's good advice to work her on better ground though.
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Location: NC | BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 3:40 PM
I am inexperienced around barrels with this horse..... My other mare I am not, she's much smoother and easier to ride. I have had the mare in the video for 4 years coming up in April, she was green broke when I got her and I have tried my best to make her a great mare and she's really become one. She's just not for beginners, at all. She is one to take advantage if you give her one shred of thought that she can. She isn't and easy horse, but she's mine and I wouldn't give her up. She and I are still getting acclimated on the barrels together, both learning, which probably isn' the best way to go. Trainer told me she's come a lot farther and is better. But she still has a LOT to work on. I wont deny I can't ride her very well in barrels, because I just can't yet. But we are working on it.
Don't learn on a horse that is learning too. Take if from me. Been there, done that. All it causes is frustrations for both the horse AND rider and possibly ruining a very good horse. Not on purpose, but over time, bad habits are started, things get worse, etc etc.
I tried to learn barrels on my grade mare who I was totally in love with. Well we got to a point where I was ready to move on, and she just wasn't moving on with me. So I moved to a finished, seasoned barrel horse and WOW. The things you learn on a horse that does everything right is amazing. No, my gelding is FAR from being automatic. If you don't work, he won't work. So you have to be on your game, which makes for a great teacher.
We've knocked a lot of barrels, made a lot of mistakes, but if he starts slacking off, my trainer/husband tunes him up, gets on me for being lazy/stupid, then we get back to where we were.
You NEED to be TAUGHT before you can TEACH. Get on a good, experienced horse. Learn everything you can. Send the mare to a trainer, or work with her under a trainer, AFTER you ride an experienced horse for a good long time.
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