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 Horsey Gene Carrier
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Location: LaBelle, Florida | I can understand your frustration. My Hubby HAD to have a house dog and we ended up with a Jack Russle male.
Puppy training and house training is all about set schedules and lots of trips outside until the pup understands where to do his busines.
I can't stand the Jackass Russle but tolerate him because he is my hubbys dog and makes him happy.
When we first brought the pup home, I told hubby it was his dog and his messes to clean up. After about 3 days of trying to train hubby on take the dog out FIRST before you do anything else, I let the dog train him. He would let the pup out of his crate and let him play before going out. After having to clean up after him 3-4 times, he finally got that the dog needed to go out FIRST before play time.(after being in his crate).
I have a lot of pups over the years (trained and bred GSD for about 10 years). I have only had two that I could not house train, both females with extremely high energy. They just did NOT care where they went to the bathroom and were just nasty dogs. One finally got better after she matured the other did not. | |
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Location: Phoenix | DLV - 2013-12-12 12:41 PM Very weird! Both my heelers potty trained amazingly fast.... some advice about potty training... I have potty trained LOTS of dogs becauase I foster many and have 4 of my own... The First few weeks/months are crucial! Watch the pup every second! I seriously keep mind on a leash on my arm for the first 2 weeks, that way they can't sneak off without me knowing it. Take them outside VERY often, give him/her a treat every time they go potty outside! If they try to go inside, catch them in the act an INTERRUPT them, they don't like to be interupted say NOOO really firm, loud but not screaming at them and say OUTSIDE IMMEDIETLY try to get them to stop pottying and go outside. the interruption should be enough to drive them crazy. If the dog even LOOKS at the door or starts walking around like it wants to go tothe bathroom put it OUT! I tie mine with a leash to my bedpost on a short leash when I sleep and put the dog bed/blankets around it, dogs will not likely potty in their sleeping area so they learn to never potty inside and you know theyre not sneaking of to do it. Hoep this helps! Just like horses... make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard...
Ditto to this, minus the leash part. If we catch them in the act, we pick them up and finish it outside!! and lots of reward once they finish outside. Our weiner dogs were the worst.....but now they ask to go outside and only if they are locked in all day do they mess inside, and we leave out potty pads and they know where to go. Somehow.  | |
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| I don't have heelers, but you say he has accidents after coming inside. He probably doesn't understand outside is were he pottys. I've house broken several dogs, and I always took them to different yards. The front yard was for potty trips only, then we would go to the back yard and play. I did this until they were completely house broken. Maybe you could try something of that sort, or make a potty area in the yard? Go to the same exact spot every time. | |
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| Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 8:18 PM
Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 2:47 PM Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 7:52 AM Oh, My neighbor has a Dumb and otherwise stupid heeler. I HATE that dog. I used to really like all heelers until they aquired this one.  The biggest thing with heelers that most people forget is they are a busy breed and need full time job or they become like my neighbor's dog HORRIBLE!!!!  Crate's are fabulous, and don't forget lots of praise.   Use scheduled eating/drinking time, to then "go outside", it will help. I'm sorry you are having to deal with a heeler, I really am. I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates this breed. I've tried owning two heelers before this pup both a red and a blue...both dumber than a box of rocks. Same as this pup. Just flat out stupid. I have owned and trained several collies and kelpies. I guess this just isn't my breed. And to the person who said you have to be smarter than the dog. Thanks appreciate being called stupid. Smdh..... He is 3 months now. He will stay in the crate but the second he even thinks he heard something the yapping starts. I've let him out. Nope nothing, comes inside and ****es. Back outhe goes or in the crate if its raining.and he still yaps. So I taken to putting him and the kennel in the laundry room and shutting the door. he jumps on the futniture chews on the screen door and tears up the screen, chews on chargers. I discipline him and give him what he can chew on. (The day he eats my boots is the day he disappears....kidding lol ) I can't stand it anymore. SO is a truck driver so I'm responsible for this little idiot. I want to like the pup I do...honestly. but he makes it so **** hard. Sorry for any typos on my phone.
Sounds like worthless owners to me.....and here you are blaming it on the dog (no matter what breed). | |
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| I have yet to read page two, but want to add, if you are throwing the dog outside every time it barks, HE is training YOU. And no potty training is going on AT ALL. I don't care how miserable it is outside, when potty training I go outside and WAIT until they go. Then it's lot's of praise. Keep in mind too, that at the stage this pup is at, he does not know to come to you or go to the door....he doesn't know that he is supposed to ask for permission to do what comes naturally.
I have had Heeler pups all but trained at this age, within reason of their little bladders and bowels. The first Heeler we had together we got at 4 weeks and was pretty much potty trained in 2 weeks. I will say that I put lots of effort in to the litters I have raised and they are pretty much potty trained when they leave here as I have had to raise them while driving semi. If that pup was raised outside or in a stall you are going to have a lot more trouble.
I'm not going to say that there are no dumb Heelers but most of their bad behavior traces back to their owners ( and I am NOT pointing a finger at the OP here). They just are not for everyone.
Now IMHO, your SO should be raising and training this pup, not you if it is supposed to be his dog. I am here to say that it CAN be done driving truck, maybe a little more attention needs to be pad, but it can be done. Sounds like your SO is training YOU! | |
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | rodeoveteran - 2013-12-14 5:21 PM Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 8:18 PM Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 2:47 PM Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 7:52 AM Oh, My neighbor has a Dumb and otherwise stupid heeler. I HATE that dog. I used to really like all heelers until they aquired this one. The biggest thing with heelers that most people forget is they are a busy breed and need full time job or they become like my neighbor's dog HORRIBLE!!!! Crate's are fabulous, and don't forget lots of praise. Use scheduled eating/drinking time, to then "go outside", it will help. I'm sorry you are having to deal with a heeler, I really am. I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates this breed. I've tried owning two heelers before this pup both a red and a blue...both dumber than a box of rocks. Same as this pup. Just flat out stupid. I have owned and trained several collies and kelpies. I guess this just isn't my breed. And to the person who said you have to be smarter than the dog. Thanks appreciate being called stupid. Smdh..... He is 3 months now. He will stay in the crate but the second he even thinks he heard something the yapping starts. I've let him out. Nope nothing, comes inside and ****es. Back outhe goes or in the crate if its raining.and he still yaps. So I taken to putting him and the kennel in the laundry room and shutting the door. he jumps on the futniture chews on the screen door and tears up the screen, chews on chargers. I discipline him and give him what he can chew on. (The day he eats my boots is the day he disappears....kidding lol ) I can't stand it anymore. SO is a truck driver so I'm responsible for this little idiot. I want to like the pup I do...honestly. but he makes it so **** hard. Sorry for any typos on my phone. Sounds like worthless owners to me.....and here you are blaming it on the dog (no matter what breed ).
Actually, they have three dogs and the only one that is a problem is the heeler..... The other two I love. | |
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| rodeoveteran - 2013-12-14 7:32 PM
I have yet to read page two, but want to add, if you are throwing the dog outside every time it barks, HE is training YOU. And no potty training is going on AT ALL. I don't care how miserable it is outside, when potty training I go outside and WAIT until they go. Then it's lot's of praise. Keep in mind too, that at the stage this pup is at, he does not know to come to you or go to the door....he doesn't know that he is supposed to ask for permission to do what comes naturally.
I have had Heeler pups all but trained at this age, within reason of their little bladders and bowels. The first Heeler we had together we got at 4 weeks and was pretty much potty trained in 2 weeks. I will say that I put lots of effort in to the litters I have raised and they are pretty much potty trained when they leave here as I have had to raise them while driving semi. If that pup was raised outside or in a stall you are going to have a lot more trouble.
I'm not going to say that there are no dumb Heelers but most of their bad behavior traces back to their owners ( and I am NOT pointing a finger at the OP here). They just are not for everyone.
Now IMHO, your SO should be raising and training this pup, not you if it is supposed to be his dog. I am here to say that it CAN be done driving truck, maybe a little more attention needs to be pad, but it can be done. Sounds like your SO is training YOU!
Careful. You're going to get yelled at for bringing up SO. Read page 2. | |
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| Each individual learns differently. I am put in mind of my sister's Chihuahua. They kept saying how stupid he was. how he pottied right on the porch/deck for example. They just couldn't understand that they TAUGHT him to potty there. They got him in late fall and had a chain outside the door. When they "took hi out to potty" they opened the door, attached the chain and threw him out. What else would the poor dog learn from that??!
I think the best tips I can give you have already been said.
Outside when they wake up.
Outside shorty after eating or drinking.
Outside after a short time playing.
EVERY time you go out with him, telling him to "Go potty" or whatever command you want to use. If he doesn't go within say, 5 minutes, you go back inside, watch him carefully and try again in a reasonable time frame (maybe 1/2hour?). LOTS of "Good boy go potty with excited voice and playful scruffing" or treats, whatever he responds positively to.
AS far as the hard headedness, it IS bred into them....for a reason. If they get kicked or run over when working you don't want them to run off cowering, you want them to do their job. They take a lickin and keep on tickin. That is a positive trait in their job. It does however, make dealing with them more trying than many other breeds.
I seriously think that you may be dealing with a pup that was whelped outside. He has no idea that outside and potty are connected, they never were before. Be patient and positive with him and you're likely to find he becomes your dog rather than boyfriend's may have to be firmer with him than most because of that famous Hard Headed Heeler thing.
edited to add: you are getting a late start to housebreaking for a Heeler. I disagree with whomever said that are late to mature. I find the opposite. They mature earlier and require earlier training. He already "learned" bad habits, not his fault.
Good luck to both of you!!
Edited by rodeoveteran 2013-12-14 7:59 PM
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