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Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2013-12-13 11:26 PM
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CYA Ranch - 2013-12-13 10:24 PM OMGosh Lookout that was kinda bad wasn't it?  Those horses are really getting short.  So very happy for Lisa and Shada though.  Taylor looked so stinking cute!  She had feathers on her shirt!!!!!

I believe I can fly...... sorry my turetts is kicking in.  I can't imagine the toll this would take on your body & your horse.  I would have to go home & sleep for a week afterwards.  I exhausted just from watching every night.
Taylor did look cute. 
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WrapSnap
Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2013-12-14 12:13 AM
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The round still isn't up on Youtube. This may be a job for the morning. If it comes to that, I will be sure to wait until after I've had a sufficient amount of coffee!
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Posted 2013-12-14 2:02 AM
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Okay- Here we go!

Sydni- I give Sydni credit for trying to shake something loose and making a horse change this late in the game. I felt like she had a rather nice first tonight, especially being on a horse who is making it's first real run in there. A little outside leg and foot might have helped to stabilize her horse's hip through the backside of the first, but all in all, nicely done. I'm not sure how much experience Sydni has with riding in an Easy Stop, but this is a piece of equipment which requires a very specific ride. It is very difficult to "lift" a horse in one with your inside hand, as she tried to at the 2nd barrel. An Easy Stop requires that a rider stay level with their ahnds and requires one you to really use their seat and legs to cue properly for the turn. When Syndi lifted that inside rein and allowed her inside lower ribcage to collapse, she cut off Kickin's forward momentum and they just got a tad short. The same almost played ture at the third.

Shada- Dial It and Shada have been so consistent from round to round. She did a great job of setting up phenomenal turns and then getting out of the way and letting her horse do it's job at the first and second barrels. Leaving the second barrel, Shada opened her inside rein and bumped her horse's nose back to the inside, putting him on a perfect line for the third barrel. I felt like Shada had a very nice third barrel tonight. I'm not sure if she felt as though Dial It was floating off of the third and she was trying to hold him in, but she sure held onto him for quite some time. Even if he had been floating off, I would sure have liked to have seen her get both hands on the reins and ride him forward and straight off of her outside rein and leg. By dropping her left hand down and open, she was pulling down on her horses mouth, thus causing his head to elevate and him to fight more and more.

Jean- I just want to grab Jean by the shoulders and hold her upright for one more step at every barrel. I understand the need to get forward in order to stay with one who drops so hard in the turns, but Jean is allowing her core to deflate, as well. By stretching tall from her belly button, she would have herself positioned to be much more in control. That approach to the second barrel got them again tonight. As she proved a couple of Rounds back, if she gets Zan stepped just 5' further to the right going across the pen, that second barrel can work out for them. This looks like a super fun horse to ride and I must say, I'm happy to see Jean sticking with the boy who brought her to the dance, even if it hasn't gone so well for them.

Jane- Blackie got a bit hung out in that bend leaving the first again tonight. I would have loved to see Jane riding a bit more aggressively to get her horse a bit straighter headed into the second. Having been ridden into the second barrel with that leading outside rein, Blackie had to change his arc as he was coming through the backside of the turn, which definitely inhibited his ability to really snap through there. Even with all of that having been said, they hit every point in that turn and made it look easy. The third barrel was much the same as the 8th round for this team. Blackie got a bit short and Jane really went indirect with that inside rein. As high up the neck as Jane's hand was placed when she made that move, it really shut her horse down and onto his front end. Jane did a great job of being super aggressive with her body, shoving her horse by and keeping that third barrel standing.

Lisa- What can I say? Louie and Lisa are so dialed in and perfectly in sync. I do believe they could make this same run for another nine nights if they needed to.

Taylor- Taylor actually settled in for that first barrel just half a step too early tonight and it almost got her. Bo is so butt draggy that Taylor really has to keep driving him forward, even as he is setting. She backed off just a bit tonight and Bo stepped off of the first leaving as a result of not having had that room coming in. This pair's second barrel is enough to make me hold my breath. I thought Taylor did a great job of riding him deep enough to get him in and out of the second turn with a less than ideal approach. Bo has been crowding that third barrel a bit more each night and a couple of rounds back I commented on what a great job Taylor did by allowing her shoulder to get back behind her hips just a bit and using her seat to really drive him by. Tonight, she came into the third with her shoulders in front of her hips, pointing in and then allowed her ribcage to soften. She was going to have to ride hard to get by that third tonight, unfortunately it didn't happen.

Kaley- I think Kaley finally realized just how well she is sitting in the average. She got square tonight and really rode like she wanted to keep the barrels up. She did go to the outside rein a bit at both the second and third barrels, to ensure that Cowboy stayed square, but this was such an improvement over what we were seeing from her earlier in the week.

Brittany- SuperFly missed his inside foot coming into the first and Brittany did a very impressive job of hustling him through there and straightening things back out. For once, I'm going to give Brittany kudos for leaning at the second barrel. Leaving the first as they did brought Brittany and SuperFly in extremely close at the second barrel. By leaving her upper body still and pushing her hips strongly to the right, she moved her horse over just enough in that monet to allow them to clear it. Unfortunately, anytime we get out of position, it has consequences. Brittany's sudden change in position caused her horse to really continue to step out through the turn. As she took ahold of her inside rein to try and straighten him for the finish, he just wadded up a bit more and spun his wheels for a minute. At the third, Brittany leaned forward and in again, causing SuperFly to get heavy up front and he really spit his hips to the outside as a result. That caused them to fade off of the barrel leaving it.

Sabrina- I still want to see Swivel get a nice first barrel. I think if Sabrina were to open her hip angle, sit down and set him two handed, we might see that happen. This team seems to do well at the second barrel by getting in there close and making up for it by taking that room on the backside. I know that this is a short pattern and things happen quickly, but Sabrina has to get two hands on the reins headed to the third. She did ride a bit more aggressively with her legs to the third tonight. As soon as Swivel started to set, Sabrina stopped kicking and looked right to the barrel. She has to keep riding forward and looking out through his ears, beyond the turn. She might even want to adjust her line of vision to where she's looking out over his outside ear, just to play it a bit on the safer side.

Fallon- The low placement of Fallon's outside rein got to pulling on BabyFlo a bit as she headed to the first barrel and the little mare definitely dropped that inside shoulder pretty hard. Fallon's straighter style of turning allowed her to get very aggressive with her inside aids and hold her horse upright long enough to get by, but it was very close. She got to sitting over her inside seat bone a bit headed to the second barrel, which started her horse's track toward hitting it a little early. For a few rounds there, Fallon got two handed and used a n opening outside rein to encourage BabyFlo to continue forward a step further at the second barrel, which also helps this horse to get much more set up over her hocks. This horse has such a wicked move that I can see why Fallong just goes with it so often, but without the knowledge of how and where to actually place her body, BabyFlo needs a bit more support than she was given. This team had a great third barrel again tonight.

Christy- It's always interesting to see how a horse will adapt to running ten nights in a row. Movin' seems to be getting more and more on the muscle each night. Christy did a very solid job of holding it all together at the first and second barrels. She might have gotten stepped out just a bit too far to the right on the entrance to the second barrel and as a result, her horse really dove at the backside. All of those changes in position so quickly left Christy having to pull at that inside rein just a bit leaving there. As hard as Movin' was running to the third, I think Christy felt as though she was going to be alright. The minute she dropped that outside rein and prepared for the turn, her horse just dove into it. She'll need to get two handed and maybe give Movin' a little bump from that inside rein to set her square and back over her hocks tomorrow night.

Michelle- Slick had a very nice first barrel. He got a smidge out of shape leaving it and I might have liked to have seen her ride him up just a bit straighter through his body going across the pen, but the second barrel worked out very well for them. Michelle attempted to lead him off with that outside rein at third barrel again tonight. After having done so this many nights in a row, her horse responded by pecking down with his front end and really swinging his hips to the outside. Without that hip up under him to drive him by, that third barrel couldn't be avoided. Michelle will need to set her sights about one more stride down the pen and get her outside foot on him, holding that hip in if she wants to get by tomorrow.

Mary- Mary got in a bit headed to the first and maybe went to the horn a stride, or two early, but she made it work quite nicely. Great forward ride at the second. Latte wanted that third barrel, but Mary refused to let him turn too soon. What an assertive ride with her inside shoulder and hip! She kept the entire inside of her body pointed to that back fence as long as possible and even after he was on the backside she kept riding straight for the fence until she knew that she was absolutely clear. Great job from Mary!

Sherry- Sherry has such a tremendous amount of feel and such quick responses to Stingray. She had to not only go across to the second with a leading rein tonight, but gave it a couple of bumps as she entered the pocket as well. The third was spot on. So many exciting things could be happening for Sherry and she deserves every one of them.

Trula- Worm got a bit short coming into that first barrel tonight. For a horse that is used to being run in a shanked bit, that snaffle is allowing Worm to get a bit heavier up front than normal. That is exactly what happened here at the first. When Worm's front feet dropped into the ground coming in, they stuck like glue. Trula did a great job of stabilizing her horse's hips as they finished the turn and rode out of there aggressively to get things lined back out. She gave a great ride at the second barrel tonight. If you remember, last night, as soon as she pulled out with the outside rein, Worm dove in. Trula kept ahold of her outside rein tonight, but planted that hand low on her horse's neck and allowed it to create just a bit of resistance without pulling Worm out of position. That smart bit of riding, coupled with a perfect "lift" of her inside rein set up a great turn. She did a great job of using her entire body to pick Worm up at the third and make sure that they stayed moving all the way around it. At this point in this marathon that we call the NFR, everyone is feeling the effects and you have to do what you have to do. Trula did just that!

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Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2013-12-14 2:26 AM
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3rdtimesacharm - 2013-12-13 5:42 PM
barrelracer1983 - 2013-12-13 12:16 PM
CYA Ranch - 2013-12-13 6:18 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2013-12-13 7:31 AM
hammer_time - 2013-12-13 12:39 AM
KDS - 2013-12-12 5:28 AM
hammer_time - 2013-12-12 3:15 AM  Anyone else notice Sydni not really hustling?

Maybe it's not what the horse needs but it sure stood out to me.
I'd read an article (and someone posted it on one of these threads) that she had broken her tailbone this year and had really bad nerve damage that was incredibly painful. I wonder if that's still bothering her. I'd love to see her get in the money before the week's over.



I was so rooting for Sherry to get in last night - she's made money in every round! Can someone clarify- I saw this on FB maybe, does she get a Ram truck if she does it in all 10 rounds?  



And of course- props to Taylor & Bo! 
Well in that case, I don't blame her. Sabrina is another quiet rider....and it kind of bothers me! I want all these girls to do well but I see a lack of hustle in some of them. But I don't know if I could rodeo 10 days in a row....but for that money, I would be whipping and spurring the whole way. Is anyone else noticing how important it is to get that nose? Makes me really think back to a YouTube video I saw with Danyelle Campbell and her talking about pulling to the hip to get the nose instead of lifting up which stiffens the rib cage. Easier said than done, but you really see it Up close and personal in these runs.
 Quiet doesn't mean not hustling. You can ask the horse to run without doing a bunch of obvious kicking and whipping. A lot of horses will run harder from hustling with your seat and smaller leg movements from the knee down in their rhythm. It doesn't look like a hustle but it is.
Agree.  Whipping and spurring doesn't work on all horses.  I've got some that would freak out if I did all that.  Use your body and drive them forward doesn't require riding wild.  JMO
I have to say that I do not like all that whipping. I'd like to see what some horses would do if you took away the whip. I might do a little neck slap but I really don't whip my horses unless I feel they are cutting me off at the s/f line, but I really don't like the ones that over do it on the way out. I rode another horse that would sulk up n not run at all if you spanked her.
my horse is one of those that doesnt like whipping and I dont use spurs.  I cant tell where some horses speed up when they are whipped.  I know I wouldnt like someone to whip me to make me go faster. 

 I understand that.  I just meant that those horses might benefit from being hustled and a more aggressive rider.  Hence the knocked barrels.  Sometimes I see zero help from  the inside leg.  Great critique Wrap.....I do t know how you see all that!!!  Do you watch it in slow mo?
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Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2013-12-14 2:59 AM
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I don't watch in slow mo, but it's why it takes so long for me to get them up. I watch some runs barrel by barrel and sometimes, I'll watch a barrel where things went wrong multiple times, until I feel like I really understand what went on.
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Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2013-12-14 4:01 AM
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 Sometimes it's so hard to tell where they hit!  The other night it looked like someone hit it down with their hand but obviously that's not how it went down....still!  
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Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2013-12-14 10:00 AM
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I haven't read much of this thread, sorry, but I have seen some interesting things in my book...I watch Sherri ride so physically correct...she sits for a pocket, rates, ect..but I notice a lot of horses running wide open and turning with very little if no cues...pretty amazing...kinda point and click...when the horses drop early, some girls step on the outside stirrup, no time to kick up into the turn...lose a stirrup in there and momentum can throw you off..hence, Taylor Jacob...Im not here to critisize..Id take any of em in my barn...just an observation... 
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Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2013-12-14 3:27 PM
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This is a very interesting and educational thread! I like to analyze the runs and it's interesting to compare to someone with more expertise. I just want to say I freaking LOVE Louie. I get my years mixed up, but I've loved that horse ever since the first time I saw him at the NFR.
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oranges
Reg. Sep 2009
Posted 2013-12-16 7:32 AM
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I am so amazed at the times this year!! Taylor easily clocked every night and it looked like she pulled up when she hit barrels. That is so amazing to me. What was so hard to get close to the arena record in years past, this year it was touched almost every night. Wow.
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Reg. Apr 2008
Posted 2013-12-16 9:50 AM
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I think the ground was much better this year. Didn't see near as many horses bouncing around the barrels. The ones that did bounce clocked in the 14's, usually.
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oranges
Reg. Sep 2009
Posted 2013-12-16 2:03 PM
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Do you remember a few years ago or last year Barrel Horse News did a profile on the top 15, what they feed, tack used etc. . Anyone do that this year?
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crapshooter
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2013-12-16 2:18 PM
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Bo looks to me like he has the makings of one of those superhorses that only come along once in a blue moon.  Guess that remains to be seen.  I think he might be another Bozo or Hotshot.  Not another Scamper, I don't think that will happen because the sport has progressed so much.   He just does it with such ease and clocks with some pretty big mistakes. 

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Esther
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2013-12-16 3:02 PM
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oranges - 2013-12-16 2:03 PM Do you remember a few years ago or last year Barrel Horse News did a profile on the top 15, what they feed, tack used etc. . Anyone do that this year?

www.barrelracingreport.com did one! 
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Esther
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2013-12-16 3:03 PM
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oranges - 2013-12-16 2:03 PM Do you remember a few years ago or last year Barrel Horse News did a profile on the top 15, what they feed, tack used etc. . Anyone do that this year?

www.barrelracingreport.com did one! 
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