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RockinGR
Reg. Feb 2009
Posted 2013-12-20 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: Nerving a Barrel horse (Opinions please )



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Oh mine HATES his pony...and I mean HATES it. I've never, ever seen him show a mean bone or ugly face until I brought that pony home. The first week I let the pony out with them, they all tried to run him down and do him bodily harm. The pony thought it was a game, and figured out he could get under the fence, catch his breath and go back to it.
My intention was to let them live in the stall together...not going to happen. They don't try to kill him anymore, but I think the stall next to him will be close enough quarters for them during recovery, LOL. I do hope they have made good enough friends for the pony's sake, because once the horse is feeling good again, I'm not sure the pony will be able to out run him.

Edited by RockinGR 2013-12-20 3:36 PM
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triplecircle
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Posted 2013-12-20 3:53 PM
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Mine worked well for 5 years. I retired her at 17 to raise babies. She is still sound enough to run.  I don't understand what people are worried about. Like a previous poster said.....you still have to keep up special maintenance.
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SassyPirate
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Posted 2013-12-20 4:02 PM
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Has anyone ever nerved a hock?
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Southtxponygirl
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Posted 2013-12-20 4:08 PM
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Good thread and very interesting   

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God Is My Light
Reg. Nov 2013
Posted 2013-12-20 4:49 PM
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RockinGR - 2013-12-20 3:34 PM

Oh mine HATES his pony...and I mean HATES it. I've never, ever seen him show a mean bone or ugly face until I brought that pony home. The first week I let the pony out with them, they all tried to run him down and do him bodily harm. The pony thought it was a game, and figured out he could get under the fence, catch his breath and go back to it.
My intention was to let them live in the stall together...not going to happen. They don't try to kill him anymore, but I think the stall next to him will be close enough quarters for them during recovery, LOL. I do hope they have made good enough friends for the pony's sake, because once the horse is feeling good again, I'm not sure the pony will be able to out run him.

That is so funny, and so many horse either love ponies or hate them LOL
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Last Catt
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Posted 2013-12-20 6:51 PM
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God Is My Light - 2013-12-20 11:00 AM

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I'm curious for the answers as well. I've got a gelding who has navicular so he's been retired for a few years now, I've considered nerving him because his heart never left the game, and running poles on him is like floating. So I've always been on the wall on whether to do it or not. I don't want to do it just to get a few years out of him, but just to make him more comfortable. However he's a loon and I'm afraid nerving his front feet would cause him to get hurt because he wouldn't feel it.

That is exactly my horse too, he will watch me ride my other horses and he wants to ride and run he just cant anymore, but there is no telling his heart that. My farrier says that they only lose feeling in the back half of there hoof and that they still know where there foot is. I know that Team ropers do it all the time and it works, but that's not running into a barrel at 30 MPH and turning a 360' 3 times.....No offense to my TR buddies.

The problem with my boy is he likes to hang his hoof over the fence and pull when he wants something. He's pulled off many shoes that way, so for him not to feel the area he'd be applying pressure on, is what has kept me from doing it all these years. My family knows I know him better than anyone, so I've always played a big role in his stuff. He's 14 and has been retired for at least 5 years. I pulled him out in October for a gymkhana that was giving a buckle for high point. He went an won all but 1 class cause they had a reenactment start during my turn for poles so we got 2nd. He got that buckle though and showed he still had it. He'll be here the rest of his days, I've been blessed with a few horses that are my once in a lifetimes at my young age, and he is one of them. I started riding him when I was about 8 years old and he was 4, so I've had him over a decade now. If I had the money, I'd take him to the vet just to see if he was a candidate, but right now money isn't available. He's my boy and he knows I love him, all I could ever want was for him to be comfy and happy. He taught me more than any person could, he's like my little brother.

Has anyone put magnetic bell boots on a navicular horse or a nerved horse?
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God Is My Light
Reg. Nov 2013
Posted 2013-12-20 7:05 PM
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Last Catt - 2013-12-20 6:51 PM

God Is My Light - 2013-12-20 11:00 AM

Last Catt - 2013-12-20 12:54 PM

I'm curious for the answers as well. I've got a gelding who has navicular so he's been retired for a few years now, I've considered nerving him because his heart never left the game, and running poles on him is like floating. So I've always been on the wall on whether to do it or not. I don't want to do it just to get a few years out of him, but just to make him more comfortable. However he's a loon and I'm afraid nerving his front feet would cause him to get hurt because he wouldn't feel it.

That is exactly my horse too, he will watch me ride my other horses and he wants to ride and run he just cant anymore, but there is no telling his heart that. My farrier says that they only lose feeling in the back half of there hoof and that they still know where there foot is. I know that Team ropers do it all the time and it works, but that's not running into a barrel at 30 MPH and turning a 360' 3 times.....No offense to my TR buddies.

The problem with my boy is he likes to hang his hoof over the fence and pull when he wants something. He's pulled off many shoes that way, so for him not to feel the area he'd be applying pressure on, is what has kept me from doing it all these years. My family knows I know him better than anyone, so I've always played a big role in his stuff. He's 14 and has been retired for at least 5 years. I pulled him out in October for a gymkhana that was giving a buckle for high point. He went an won all but 1 class cause they had a reenactment start during my turn for poles so we got 2nd. He got that buckle though and showed he still had it. He'll be here the rest of his days, I've been blessed with a few horses that are my once in a lifetimes at my young age, and he is one of them. I started riding him when I was about 8 years old and he was 4, so I've had him over a decade now. If I had the money, I'd take him to the vet just to see if he was a candidate, but right now money isn't available. He's my boy and he knows I love him, all I could ever want was for him to be comfy and happy. He taught me more than any person could, he's like my little brother.

Has anyone put magnetic bell boots on a navicular horse or a nerved horse?

I swear our horses are twins, my boy is exactly the same, I finally took the bottom strand of barbed wire off cause he has egg bars an he kept ripping them off. I have had him since he was 6 and I was 14, he is 11 now almost 12.he was my first "real" fast barrel horse and truly is how I know love exists. Even though I cant ride him now, I like to take him to rodeos just cause he loves being around the"rodeo" scene and I sit with him and take him on walks, he has been in the pasture for just over a year and half now, money is the only thing stopping me right now too. With insurance payments, cell phone bills feed bills vet bill and farrier service and entry fees ....and anything else my babys need LOL its just kinda on the back burner
but,hopefully I can find a second job and save up the money.......I would love to see him smoothly run across the pasture again. ETA: I would also like to know about the magnetic bell boots ????

Edited by God Is My Light 2013-12-20 7:10 PM
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fulltiltfilly
Reg. Dec 2008
Posted 2013-12-20 7:05 PM
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The horse in my avatar is de-nerved. I ran her for about a year and a 1/2 and had to retire her for a soundness issue unrelated to the de-nerving. I was just starting to really click with her and clock in the 1D.........

The surgery was $800 and she had to be on stall rest for 2 weeks, with bandages changed every other day. Once she was off stall rest she could go back to a normal work schedule. I brought her along slowly so she could get used to her "new" feet. She had surgery in May and I started barrel racing her in August. it has been almost 3 years since the surgery and she never had any issues resulting from the surgery.  

For my horse it was a great and viable option.  I have never regretted it. I did do my research, spoke to other people that had it done and i did speak to my vet at lenght about it before I made the decision.  It was so nice to give her a useful and pain free life. The day after the surgery she had a calm look about her because she wasn't in pain any longer. 

You just have to remember that if you do choose the surgery that it does not cure the navicular or stop the degeneration it only takes the pain away. You still need to be vigilant about regular shoeing (or trims depending on what works for your horse) and continue any meds you are giving (if any). 

I have used magnetic bells on her. I would put them on daily and when I hauled her. They are really supposed to help with circulation. 


Edited by fulltiltfilly 2013-12-20 7:09 PM
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God Is My Light
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Posted 2013-12-20 7:08 PM
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fulltiltfilly - 2013-12-20 7:05 PM

The horse in my avatar is de-nerved. I ran her for about a year and a 1/2 and had to retire her for a soundness issue unrelated to the de-nerving. I was just starting to really click with her and clock in the 1D.........

The surgery was $800 and she had to be on stall rest for 2 weeks, with bandages changed every other day. Once she was off stall rest she could go back to a normal work schedule. I brought her along slowly so she could get used to her "new" feet. She had surgery in May and I started barrel racing her in August. it has been almost 3 years since the surgery and she never had any issues resulting from the surgery. Β 

For my horse it was a great and viable option. Β I have never regretted it. I did do my research, spoke to other people that had it done and i did speak to my vet at lenght about it before I made the decision. Β It was so nice to give her a useful and pain free life. The day after the surgery she had a calm look about her because she wasn't in pain any longer.Β 

You just have to remember that if you do choose the surgery that it does not cure the navicular or stop the degeneration it only takes the pain away. You still need to be vigilant about regular shoeing (or trims depending on what works for your horse).Β 

Ok thank you very much, that really helped ......I have written everyones replys down so I remember everything, and I am going to talk with my farrier and vet (thank god they work together) and see if I can come up with something. And then hopefully scrape up some money. Thank you again for the information God bless. :)
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fulltiltfilly
Reg. Dec 2008
Posted 2013-12-20 7:18 PM
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God Is My Light - 2013-12-20 2:20 PM
triplecircle - 2013-12-20 1:18 PM I had it done. It cost $500. Not by lazer though. Can't remember the recovery time but it bought me 5 more competitive years on a mare that was too sore to ride at all. Contrary to some stories, she still had feeling in her feet & I took special care of her (injections, NO standing or riding on hard ground or cement, shoeing, etc). I would absolutely not hesitate to do it again if needed. It does not last forever.
 
Ok Thank you so much....I have heard that it will only last a year or two before it grows back, is that true ?
Each horse is different. Some grow back in 6 mos, some 5 yrs and some never do.

My regular vet (not the one that did the surgery)  mainly works on Standardbred racehorses and he told me they have it done all the time and IF the nerves grow back it will be around the 3 year mark.

Edited to add: My horse was done under general anesthesia which costs less then half if you have them layed out and put under. That surgery is about 2k.  Mine was a same day surgery. I dropped her off at 8am and picked her up at 11. 


Edited by fulltiltfilly 2013-12-20 7:25 PM
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TurnLane
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Posted 2013-12-21 11:36 AM
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Jenbabe - 2013-12-20 2:57 PM Before nerving a horse I'd spend the money on an MRI. I have a gelding that has been retired since he was 11. He had navicular issues, and when injections, shoeing changes, and bute no longer helped we were given the option of MRI or nerve. We decided to go with the MRI because we were told that all but around 10% of horses can be treated with surgical options and return to competition in 6-12 months. After the MRI I was told to no longer ride my horse, unless he was the kind of horse that would do occasional trail rides, and that he was no longer a candidate for nerving. Flex tests and x-rays did not show how much damage was done, it was the MRI that told the whole story. Even my vet was surprised at how much damage there was considering that he did not appear that lame. My gelding had arthritis in his pastern and coffin joints, cysts in his navicular bursa, and his navicular bone was deteriorating and changing shape which was causing it to saw on his flexor tendon. If he was nerved he would no longer feel the pain and would eventually saw through his flexor tendon. I can't even imagine how big of a wreck that would have been. I hear lots of stories on here from people who have had great results with nerving, and I'm not totally opposed to it in the right situation, but I'd want to know exactly what was going on in my horse's feet/legs before making that decision. My gelding has been retired to the pasture 4 1/2 years and he is happy as can be out there. He is obviously lame, but he gets around just fine and is the head horse out there. He was a very nice horse and helped me achieve so many goals, and I'm glad that he gets to spend his life out there being the boss. I miss running him all the time, especially when I'm dealing with all of these young ones! And I have no doubt that if I got him out of the pasture and legged him up he'd still go run his heart out for me. But it's just not worth the risk. He took care of me, and now it's time for me to take care of him.

This is exactly why I have had 3 MRI's done. We had a BAD denerving experience but it was years ago before the lasers. I am not opposed but I think you need to know for sure what you are dealing with. JMO. 
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