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 Buttered Noodles Snacker
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        Location: NC | I remember a friend in the past told me you can look at the DP, DI or CD and it indicates if they were more of sprinters or not. Does that make sense? Does anyone know how to tell if that is true? Like for example below? Thanks
FORTY DANCES F, 2004 {20} DP = 6-1-10-2-1 (20) DI = 1.50 CD = 0.45 http://www.pedigreequery.com/forty+dances |
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  That's White "Man" to You
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| http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=Horse&refno=7219418®istry=T This is the equibase for this horse. Go to results and click on the chart. You will see all the information available. |
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 Buttered Noodles Snacker
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        Location: NC | Thanks I have never gone down to the Charts tab and downloaded the charts. That is pretty cool. Thanks |
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 Hog Tie My Mojo
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       Location: Opelousas, LA | Depending on the track, you can sometimes look up TB race video on AQHA video. We have a TB mare and we got to see most of her races that way, we just got the dates and the track she ran at off of Equibase. |
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  Location: My own little world :) | What is DI, DP, or CD? |
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  Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Zanadoo88 - 2014-01-06 12:42 PM What is DI, DP, or CD?
http://www.teamvalor.com/dosage/dosage.htm |
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 Buttered Noodles Snacker
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So if I am reading this right a horse with a higher DI is more of a sprinter? |
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  Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | HorsesNHarleys - 2014-01-06 2:13 PM So if I am reading this right a horse with a higher DI is more of a sprinter?
Supposedly, yes. |
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  Location: My own little world :) | Where are the DIs listed on Equibase? |
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  Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Zanadoo88 - 2014-01-06 4:07 PM Where are the DIs listed on Equibase?
That I know of, it's not on Equibase. There are hypo mating services that are free to stallions in certain states and when combined with a mare will give those numbers free. I believe, you can pay to see a certain horses dosage numbers through Equineline.com. A lot of the TB stallions have their dosage numbers listed on their advertisements too.
I'm sure there are other ways, I just don't know them. |
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| HorsesNHarleys - 2014-01-06 8:52 AM
I remember a friend in the past told me you can look at the DP, DI or CD and it indicates if they were more of sprinters or not. Does that make sense? Does anyone know how to tell if that is true? Like for example below? Thanks FORTY DANCES F, 2004 {20} DP = 6-1-10-2-1 (20) DI = 1.50 CD = 0.45 http://www.pedigreequery.com/forty+dances
TB's are placed in two groups ... sprinters with fast reflex muscles ... or ... plodders with slow reflex muscles ..
When looking at the 5 DP numbers ... keep in mind 16 is a top dawg number and the higher the numbers in the first 3 numbers the more likely to be a sprinter... if you see numbers in the last 2 numbers and thinking of speed for qh events... just keep walking on by ...
Looking at your example horse ....
DP NUMBERS ....
6 = (1/4 mile) horse will be slow out of the gates .. and keep in mind that TB's are timed differently out of the gates than qh's ... TB races have an offset distance when they come out of the gates of 40-80 feet before the clock starts ... clock starts for qh's when the gates open .... I ignore this first number most of the time ...
1 = (1/2 mile) slower than molasses getting their stride and are usually bringing up the back of the pack .. this is not good for barrel horses or qh racing when you need 2-3 strides to be in full racing stride to even think of being competitive
10 = (1 mile) means this horse should be rolling at their full stride by the time they reach the mile marker ... we like to think this horse will come from behind and win the race .. also we want to think this horse has an extra gear while passing other horses .... not true ... it has run a more relaxed race where the other ones have exerted them selves and are tired and running out of air .... the last 1/4 mile of a one mile race is the slowest 1/4 horses usually run .... and don't be a smarta$$ and tell me about Secretariat ... lol
2 = (>one mile) has the bloodlines to run greater than a mile if well conditioned and horse has those inherent characteristics ... not a good qh cross .. lot of these horses will have British, Europe, Australian horses in pedigrees ..
1 = (1 1/2 miles to 2 1/2 mile stamina races ... and these will have bloodlines from across the oceans since they run the longer distances and horses try to maintain a rolling stride thru out the race ...
DI of 4.0 is a good number to remember for horses running a mile or under ... you want more horse than you have distance to run ...
CD = perfect bloodline balance is 1.0 .. keep as close as you can to this number too ..
Keep in mind the successful TB crosses have been failures at running TB distances or siring TB starters .... 3Bars, Beduino, Reb's Policy, Hempen. etc etc .. all had the fast reflex muscling for quick gathering and quick to speed that crossed over great with the already established qh bloodlines ...
APOLLO .. is probably one of the most recent that had an equal gene structure to sire 50-50 racing TB and QH's which is a very rare thing to happen .... shame he is deceased ...
STORM CAT and his sons have been the worst attempt at crossing to qh's to run qh times .... but hell on wheels at the TB tracks ....
HOPE THIS SIMPLIFYING MINDSET HAS HELPED YOU WHEN LOOKING AT TB'S ...
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 Buttered Noodles Snacker
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        Location: NC | BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-01-06 6:08 PM HorsesNHarleys - 2014-01-06 8:52 AM I remember a friend in the past told me you can look at the DP, DI or CD and it indicates if they were more of sprinters or not. Does that make sense? Does anyone know how to tell if that is true? Like for example below? Thanks
FORTY DANCES F, 2004 {20} DP = 6-1-10-2-1 (20) DI = 1.50 CD = 0.45
http://www.pedigreequery.com/forty+dances TB's are placed in two groups ... sprinters with fast reflex muscles ... or ... plodders with slow reflex muscles .. When looking at the 5 DP numbers ... keep in mind 16 is a top dawg number and the higher the numbers in the first 3 numbers the more likely to be a sprinter... if you see numbers in the last 2 numbers and thinking of speed for qh events... just keep walking on by ... Looking at your example horse .... DP NUMBERS .... 6 = (1/4 mile ) horse will be slow out of the gates .. and keep in mind that TB's are timed differently out of the gates than qh's ... TB races have an offset distance when they come out of the gates of 40-80 feet before the clock starts ... clock starts for qh's when the gates open .... I ignore this first number most of the time ... 1 = (1/2 mile ) slower than molasses getting their stride and are usually bringing up the back of the pack .. this is not good for barrel horses or qh racing when you need 2-3 strides to be in full racing stride to even think of being competitive 10 = (1 mile ) means this horse should be rolling at their full stride by the time they reach the mile marker ... we like to think this horse will come from behind and win the race .. also we want to think this horse has an extra gear while passing other horses .... not true ... it has run a more relaxed race where the other ones have exerted them selves and are tired and running out of air .... the last 1/4 mile of a one mile race is the slowest 1/4 horses usually run .... and don't be a smarta$$ and tell me about Secretariat ... lol 2 = (>one mile ) has the bloodlines to run greater than a mile if well conditioned and horse has those inherent characteristics ... not a good qh cross .. lot of these horses will have British, Europe, Australian horses in pedigrees .. 1 = (1 1/2 miles to 2 1/2 mile stamina races ... and these will have bloodlines from across the oceans since they run the longer distances and horses try to maintain a rolling stride thru out the race ... DI of 4.0 is a good number to remember for horses running a mile or under ... you want more horse than you have distance to run ... CD = perfect bloodline balance is 1.0 .. keep as close as you can to this number too .. Keep in mind the successful TB crosses have been failures at running TB distances or siring TB starters .... 3Bars, Beduino, Reb's Policy, Hempen. etc etc .. all had the fast reflex muscling for quick gathering and quick to speed that crossed over great with the already established qh bloodlines ... APOLLO .. is probably one of the most recent that had an equal gene structure to sire 50-50 racing TB and QH's which is a very rare thing to happen .... shame he is deceased ... STORM CAT and his sons have been the worst attempt at crossing to qh's to run qh times .... but hell on wheels at the TB tracks .... HOPE THIS SIMPLIFYING MINDSET HAS HELPED YOU WHEN LOOKING AT TB'S ...
That is great info thanks |
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