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| For conversations sake...what do you consider the Sunfrost line more of?
More cow or more run?
Personally, I always thought of him as more of a running line because of what he has produced, but a friend of mine considers him more of a cow line...so for conversations sake just figured I would ask here to see what others thought also. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I consider him both. There are a lot of old blood lines that had to multi task and go from the halter show ring, to the race track, to the cutting pen to the ranch for work. Sun Frost and his sire Docs Jack Frost were both like that and their get and grand get have followed in their footsteps. IMO so many of todays big name sires can't hold a candle to some of the older bloodlines when it comes to this versatility. |
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| welllll to start off I'll throw out there that I think of him more of the running bred.
With that said, when I think "cowhorse" I think cutters, working cow horses and every day using on a ranch type - soooooo for instance, Peptoboonsmal, High Brow Cat, Dual Rey ...
I know Sun Frost has Doc Bar and Driftwood on him (both sires of cow horses and more) ... but he's not necessarily the "classic" cow horse to me ...
JMO :)
ETA - I like CYA's idea of throwing him the both slot. works for me!
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| SUNFROST ... is ranch horse and roping pen bred with a smidgen of speedlines added and then daughters stole them from their Dad's working string and made barrel horses out of some of them!! ...
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sun+frost
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| I have always said cow, the three bars is too far back for me to consider run.
Three bars also threw a lot of horses that couldn't run, that ended up being surpurb halter/cow horses. |
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Location: lone star state | This is a question I have wondered myself! I am currently riding a sunfrost - got him for a heel horse but he is busy all the time and leans more toward speed right now. .... interested to see what others have experienced. |
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| You guys all bring up such great points! For me personally when I think Sunfrost I always connected Frenchmans Guy....which was why I always associated him with running...but when you look at what Sunfrost personally did-as some of you all mentioned he was versatille. So then I just was confused on what I should think! |
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| magic gunsmoke - 2014-03-31 5:42 PM
You guys all bring up such great points! For me personally when I think Sunfrost I always connected Frenchmans Guy....which was why I always associated him with running...but when you look at what Sunfrost personally did-as some of you all mentioned he was versatille. So then I just was confused on what I should think!
Frenchmans guys bottom side is run.
Casey's charm is a known producer, half of Dinero and Bozos success comes from her
I look at run linked with a Speed index
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Location: Carpenter, WY | I just always thought he was one of those magic mix of genes that could do it all and seemed to pass it down..
Sometimes as a breeder I think you need to go outside the box a little. We bought a 2x to Sunfrost mare last fall in foal to Dinero and I am really excited about breeding her to Slim after she foals in May. Looking to add a little size and more run. Most of the time you breed for something specific or type,but on this Tres Seis/Sunfrost cross I expect something really special!
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Location: MD | I like to think of horses like this as "working lines". Not necessarily "cow lines", but there's also not enough run to make me think "race horse". I like the Sunfrost/FG horses crossed on run. I think they are horses that have a fair bit of motor, but not a lot of natural "run" and they have a lot of natural rate, so I back that up with some speed. |
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Location: Alberta | This is a big discussion with my husband and I right now. We have a 3yr old double bred Sunfrost stallion (PC FrenchmanXFrenchmans Mistee)and we are trying to decide what direction we want to go with our broodmare herd, cow bred mares or race bred?! We have a few of each at the moment but are wanting to "upgrade" a bit. Sell some of our weaker bred mares and invest in some hotter lines.
My opinion is he is both, totally depends what you cross it on. Sunfrost on cow bred will often get you something more suited for the roping pen and ranching and Sunfrost on racing bred will get you something for the barrel pen. And of course there are offspring that can do it all no matter how they are bred!! |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I actually consider him a 'performance' horse line, i.e. a mix of both. |
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Location: Western performance horse Hades | Mel Potter talks about his speed lines in the April issue of BHN in the statistics section. Based on my conversation with him I'm going to say there is way more match race speed, the speed you need for rodeo events, than people give him credit for. |
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| Going to throw in another mix. Has anyone heard of Docs Jack Sprat? Which I think he is along the lines of Docs Jack Frost. I had an own son of Docs Jack Sprat and absolutely loved him, could do it all. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I would say performance. If you showed his pedigree to the top cutting/cowhorse breeders, most aren't going to recognize a thing up close. Docs Jack Frost, yes, but he isn't sought after in the cow horse industry. Same with the race horse people, his speed is so far back in today's race horses that they aren't going to even want to try his offspring on the track. Chances are you'd never even get a top name race trainer to take a look at a colt that is offspring of him.
He is what he is, barrel horse breeding at it's best (FG). |
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Location: OH | I am a HUGE Sun Frost fan and have a pasture full of get and grand-get but I do not consider them running blood. I do consider them horses that can go from zero to wide open in a millisecond and that is why they have been so successful in the arena. Plus they have great confirmation and bone structure to hold up for the long term. |
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Location: SW MO | teehaha - 2014-03-31 6:59 PM I just always thought he was one of those magic mix of genes that could do it all and seemed to pass it down..
Sometimes as a breeder I think you need to go outside the box a little. We bought a 2x to Sunfrost mare last fall in foal to Dinero and I am really excited about breeding her to Slim after she foals in May. Looking to add a little size and more run. Most of the time you breed for something specific or type,but on this Tres Seis/Sunfrost cross I expect something really special!
A big Ditto
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-03-31 5:14 PM SUNFROST ... is ranch horse and roping pen bred with a smidgen of speedlines added and then daughters stole them from their Dad's working string and made barrel horses out of some of them!! ... http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sun+frost
Looking at the posts where some think he fits both, some think he is "performance " bred, maybe each are correct? Maybe he fits both run and cow just as much as he fits neither of the boxes. He could be the ideal mix of speed/cow that people hunt for but for sure he is timed event breeding at a high level.
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