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| My mare Bled at her last race last fall. After that she got the winter off and I gave her a course of antibiotics. So starting this spring I will be running her on lasix. I never had to deal with a bleeder in the past... this is my first experience. My question is... for those that compete about one to three runs a weekend, pretty much every weekend (spring, summer, fall) and use lasix... what do you do for electrolytes???? Do you feed a daily supplement or do you just use the single dose tube electrolytes everytime you lasix??? I want to ensure she stays hydrated and her electrolytes stay balanced while using lasix.... what are your experiences? THANKS!!!I |
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| The main thing lasix depletes is potassium. My vet told me to give my horse lite salt, he said it is potassium. In the summer I give her regular elecrolytes then Lite salt the night after lasix. The rest of the year when I am not going as much I just do the salt. What I do alot is take aflalfa cubes soak them in water so they make kind of a mash, I then mix in the electrolytes and salt this way they are also getting more water. I also started adding a b complex that really helped keep her energy levels up. If a horse gets too many electorlytes or potassium they pee it out. |
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Location: WI | I did paste electrolytes each time I gave Lasix. |
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| Try Equidite Bleed Block it works great then you don't have to use Lasix and worry about the other stuff. |
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| Rope-N-Run - 2014-03-26 8:55 PM The main thing lasix depletes is potassium. My vet told me to give my horse lite salt, he said it is potassium. In the summer I give her regular elecrolytes then Lite salt the night after lasix. The rest of the year when I am not going as much I just do the salt. What I do alot is take aflalfa cubes soak them in water so they make kind of a mash, I then mix in the electrolytes and salt this way they are also getting more water. I also started adding a b complex that really helped keep her energy levels up. If a horse gets too many electorlytes or potassium they pee it out.
Thanks! When you say light salt do you mean like a loose redmond salt or table salt? |
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| I also do paste when I give him the LASIK. I also do lite table salt in his supplements. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Meyerfarm - 2014-03-26 10:01 PM Try Equidite Bleed Block it works great then you don't have to use Lasix and worry about the other stuff.
I wouldn't cold turkey the lasix. Bleed block doesn't work on all bleeders, mine bled thru it after being on it 60 days.
You need to get your mare on a good structured fitness program. |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2014-03-27 8:17 PM
Rope-N-Run - 2014-03-26 8:55 PM The main thing lasix depletes is potassium. My vet told me to give my horse lite salt, he said it is potassium. In the summer I give her regular elecrolytes then Lite salt the night after lasix. The rest of the year when I am not going as much I just do the salt. What I do alot is take aflalfa cubes soak them in water so they make kind of a mash, I then mix in the electrolytes and salt this way they are also getting more water. I also started adding a b complex that really helped keep her energy levels up. If a horse gets too many electorlytes or potassium they pee it out.
Thanks! When you say light salt do you mean like a loose redmond salt or table salt?
LITE salt you get get it at the grocery store. If you have any other questions you can PM me, I rodeo on my horse all summer, I have been able to cut the lasix back but to me its not worth it to chance it, if she bled at the wrong time I could miss a lot of my big rodeos. But last summer with my "system" LOL she never got washed out or lost weight. I think the b complex helped alot.
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Location: Mississippi | Rope-N-Run - 2014-03-26 3:55 PM The main thing lasix depletes is potassium. My vet told me to give my horse lite salt, he said it is potassium. In the summer I give her regular elecrolytes then Lite salt the night after lasix. The rest of the year when I am not going as much I just do the salt. What I do alot is take aflalfa cubes soak them in water so they make kind of a mash, I then mix in the electrolytes and salt this way they are also getting more water. I also started adding a b complex that really helped keep her energy levels up. If a horse gets too many electorlytes or potassium they pee it out.
How much of the salt do you put in their feed? I normally put mineralized salt in their feed at night anyway - about a tablespoon. Is that amount enough of the LITE salt?
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| wildride - 2014-03-27 7:59 AM
Rope-N-Run - 2014-03-26 3:55 PM The main thing lasix depletes is potassium. My vet told me to give my horse lite salt, he said it is potassium. In the summer I give her regular elecrolytes then Lite salt the night after lasix. The rest of the year when I am not going as much I just do the salt. What I do alot is take aflalfa cubes soak them in water so they make kind of a mash, I then mix in the electrolytes and salt this way they are also getting more water. I also started adding a b complex that really helped keep her energy levels up. If a horse gets too many electorlytes or potassium they pee it out.
How much of the salt do you put in their feed? I normally put mineralized salt in their feed at night anyway - about a tablespoon. Is that amount enough of the LITE salt?
Ditto.. Same question. How much lite salt are you using when you do Lasix... Also have you fed it along with mineralized salt like redmonds?... I assume the lite salt should be used alone with just the electrolyte? |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Meyerfarm - 2014-03-26 11:01 PM Try Equidite Bleed Block it works great then you don't have to use Lasix and worry about the other stuff.
There are several products out there. This one, Oxygens Bleeder Stop, THE's Pulmon-ez and some others. Many times after starting your horse on one of the products you can get them off lasix. All depends on each individual horse. I started with equidites bleed block and was able to get off lasix. I tried THE this year and think my horse prefers that much more, but he still is off lasix.
Even if you have to keep your horse on lasix, I would get them on something designed for bleeders.
If your horse drinks good at home I would conentrate more on the paste electrolytes at races, given BEFORE you run so they they will drink soon afterwards (unless your horse has a reason not to have it before). There are a lot of different brands of paste electrolytes out there. |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2014-03-28 10:50 AM
wildride - 2014-03-27 7:59 AM
Rope-N-Run - 2014-03-26 3:55 PM The main thing lasix depletes is potassium. My vet told me to give my horse lite salt, he said it is potassium. In the summer I give her regular elecrolytes then Lite salt the night after lasix. The rest of the year when I am not going as much I just do the salt. What I do alot is take aflalfa cubes soak them in water so they make kind of a mash, I then mix in the electrolytes and salt this way they are also getting more water. I also started adding a b complex that really helped keep her energy levels up. If a horse gets too many electorlytes or potassium they pee it out.
How much of the salt do you put in their feed? I normally put mineralized salt in their feed at night anyway - about a tablespoon. Is that amount enough of the LITE salt?
Ditto.. Same question. How much lite salt are you using when you do Lasix... Also have you fed it along with mineralized salt like redmonds?... I assume the lite salt should be used alone with just the electrolyte?
I giver her 1/2-1 table spoon depending on situation, If I am feeding it with OUT electorlytes I would feed 1 tablespoon or 1 oz, if feeding in conjunction with electrolytes I would feed 1/2 - 2/3 of the dose for each. So if the dosage for electrolytes is 1 oz I feed a big 1/2 a scoop of each. Hope that makes since. Not sure about the mineral thing, I have a trace mineralized salt block and a regular salt block in my horses pasture. I also put small salt blocks in their mangers in the trailer. I don't think it would matter, my vet said if they get too many they will just pee it out. |
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Location: Muskogee, OK | While Lasix is a "Potassium wasting diuretic", the thing you really worry about here is the water loss and risk of dehydration. I would be very religiously giving electrolytes to a horse receiving Lasix. The big thing here is to keep them drinking, not so much replacing the Potassium that has been lost as they have very large Potassium stores in the body.
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Location: Texas | Yep I would be giving electrolytes both for the potassium and for the fluid balance in the body. You are going to get in quick trouble over dehydration before you see signs of hypokalemia.
When I ran a horse on lasix I think I did a paste electrolyte after the run and I offered as much water she she would drink. Make sure you rehydrate! |
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| IF youre worrying about electrolytes, I strongly suggest the Equiwinner Patches! They work great!
http://signal-health.com/
Also, give the Equidite a try. So many have had good luck. No maybe it wont work for your horse, every horse is different, but it is worth a try!
Good Luck! :) |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | T.H.E. has a really great electrolyte, different from any other out there... whether you choose to use pulmonEZ or not, these electrolytes would benefit any bleeder. I haven't had a known bleeder myself, but I use these when I haul and give after a run. Believe it or not, WY can have some really hot days in the summer.
"THElectrolyte contains 82 minerals and trace elements essential to the body’s health and well being. THElectrolyte produces significant positive effects on organs, respiration, circulation, connective tissue, nervous system functions, and causes rapid rehydration at the cellular level. Excellent for tying up, as well as hot weather or just everyday hydration." |
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Location: ND | Rope-N-Run - 2014-03-26 8:55 PM The main thing lasix depletes is potassium. My vet told me to give my horse lite salt, he said it is potassium. In the summer I give her regular elecrolytes then Lite salt the night after lasix. The rest of the year when I am not going as much I just do the salt. What I do alot is take aflalfa cubes soak them in water so they make kind of a mash, I then mix in the electrolytes and salt this way they are also getting more water. I also started adding a b complex that really helped keep her energy levels up. If a horse gets too many electorlytes or potassium they pee it out.
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Location: ND | terriblywickedgirl - 2014-04-10 4:29 PM IF youre worrying about electrolytes, I strongly suggest the Equiwinner Patches! They work great! http://signal-health.com/ Also, give the Equidite a try. So many have had good luck. No maybe it wont work for your horse, every horse is different, but it is worth a try! Good Luck! : )
this product is a complete hoax....... |
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| I use Aculife Patches and minimal Lasix. I make sure she is hydrated and keep her physically strong. |
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