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Location: Sweet Home Alabama | Fallon Taylor has good tips. This is my fav -
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Queen Bean of Ponyland
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Location: WYOMING | hwh - 2014-04-09 10:53 AM geronabean - 2014-04-08 12:38 PM Another thing to look for is how your horse is positioned going across the pen. Some horses that shoulder or drop too soon have their hips cocked out. This sets up that turn for disaster. Their shoulder leads into the turn and they start that turn before your leg is in front of the turn. Usually you will hit going in or on the first part of the backside or blow out on the exit.
If this is happening you need to teach your horse to move its hindquarters off your leg. Needs to move easily both directions. Then you need to go across the pen and make sure his body is either straight or his hip is cocked to the inside. You should be able to easily move that hip with your leg sliding back some. With a horse that already has a problem sometimes its better to cock them a smidge to the inside instead of just asking for straight. With their hip to the inside their shoulder is better pushed up and past the early entry point, their hip is better engaged and their body can't drop and follow a malpositioned shoulder. I just wanted to say that you always give the best written explanation of anybody on here...you keep it direct and to the point but anybody can understand what to do when you write it. You're "The bomb" 
Well THANKS HWH!
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| geronabean - 2014-04-08 11:08 AM
dont know without a video.
but...
- Some people confuse shouldering or dropping with starting the turn a step too soon.
- Some people anticipate a drop or shoulder and stiffen up and start a tug o war, which actually makes the problem worse.
- Some people forget they have an outside rein that can be used in conjunction with the inside rein to guide them to the perfect point to start a turn.
- Some people drop their outside rein too soon, sit too soon and in doing that have just cued the horse to start the turn too soon.
- Some horses are incorrectly bitted and this can cause them to push into pressure instead of respond properly.
Just a few thoughts.
What would you do to help correct anticipation regarding #2? I feel like that's my current problem on my 4 year old on the 2nd and 3rd barrel. |
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| You need to make sure you dont have any lamness problems befor youmworey about shouldering then we need amvideo some people say sliceing a barrel is thensame,as shouldering. I once once a horse who,shouldered a berrel he did not,stay in my barn long as he could put a,run down people thought it was me a trade for a 4 year old made me happy as my shins we happy. Some one taught to run like this. People where glad to get him and he knocked barrels with them and thought it was then and he would lay a run down every once and while. Goad people loved him i did not,like killing my shins. |
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Queen Bean of Ponyland
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Location: WYOMING | threecanman - 2014-04-09 7:57 PM geronabean - 2014-04-08 11:08 AM dont know without a video.
but...
- Some people confuse shouldering or dropping with starting the turn a step too soon.
- Some people anticipate a drop or shoulder and stiffen up and start a tug o war, which actually makes the problem worse.
- Some people forget they have an outside rein that can be used in conjunction with the inside rein to guide them to the perfect point to start a turn.
- Some people drop their outside rein too soon, sit too soon and in doing that have just cued the horse to start the turn too soon.
- Some horses are incorrectly bitted and this can cause them to push into pressure instead of respond properly.
Just a few thoughts. What would you do to help correct anticipation regarding #2? I feel like that's my current problem on my 4 year old on the 2nd and 3rd barrel.
You would laugh if you saw my barrel pen!
- First anticipation can come from soreness. They know its gonna hurt so they safety up. Might check that.
- Second anticipation can come from the riders cues. EVEN if the rider thinks they are not giving cues they might be SO suttle... but remember a horse can feel a teeny fly on its butt! Make sure you are riding up to and past the barrel. No shifting wt, lifting hands, if you kick dont quit, dont even THINK turn!... keep everything the SAME as 3 strides before when you were hurrying to get there.
- For a drill on some horses I will set up 2 patterns, one inside the other. Sometimes I ride to the first barrel of that turn and sometimes I ride to the second barrel of that turn. Sometimes I act like I am going to turn the first one and then ask them to continue to the second one... Its all about programming them to wait on the driver and not drive themselves. I do that at all gates so that horse WAITS on me and really never knows which barrel they will be asked to go to. Puts me in the drivers seat. I also sometimes have barrels set all over that they have to pass or turn on my whim... BUT... my body cues have to be GO not SLOW. Ronny Clampitt has a turn back drill he likes that sounds like it would work. Its based on a horse fixating on the barrel kinda like it would a cow... might wanna msg him. |
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Location: Oklahoma | IMO, shouldering comes from one of two things:
#1 soreness (and you wouldn't believe the soreness that I find on horses that vets have said were 100%). People...if your horse has fluid pockets on his hocks, HE'S SORE. Find a vet that can help that, and I'd guess probably 80% of barrel horses out there have varying degrees of soreness in the hind end. It's a hazard of the sport.
#2 Poor body position of horse and rider. position is SO important in barrel racing. When you are starting the turn, your horse's butt should be closer to the barrel than his shoulder, yet how many people do we see tip the nose, pull the shoulder into the barrel and let the horse kick its butt out??? Probably 4 out of 5 horses in every drag. If you can watch Dena Kirkpatrick's One Smooth Motion video, it shows how to keep a horse's shoulder out and hip in....it's all about body position. Most people worry more about the nose, head and neck and never think about the butt....my philosophy is to ride from the rear....they can't shoulder if their rear is down and pushing. |
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