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| 2 weeks ago mare had a swollen cannon bone, we pulled heuache (weesatche) stickers out, cleaned it, and she was fine. 3 days later she is lame on front right. slight swell on ankle, we go to vet. does lamesness exam, blocks foot, and she gets a little better. vet thinks its a sprained ankle.. stall rest, previcox, water therapy, shot of polyglycan, basically a rest.. we go home, pull her shoes, have her in a small trap. next day she is dang sure lame.. the next day we are back at vet. he x rays everywhere, cant find anything broke, sometimes hairline fractures don't show up for 2 weeks... so then we ultrasound.. cant find anything wrong....does very strong antibiotic directly into ankle.. start on gentamicin and penicillin.. two days later she still cant walk, its getting worse.. vet comes to house does more x rays and still cant find anything wrong.. the only pain she shows is when he flexes her ankle... no hoof pain to hooftesters, no other pain, just when you flex her ankle... ankle swollen again now too.....now today I went back to vet to ultrasound bottom of foot... ultrasound showed nothing wrong.. even did an x-ray setting her foot on clear glass to see the bottom better... nothing wrong.... our next step is an MRI or a bone scan. I can go to venton Louisiana, to a and m, or to elgin... there are so risks involved when the horse wakes up could put pressure on something that doesn't need pressure on it and crack something.... anyone has any experience with this type of injury? she is in her stall now with soft ride boots on. she walks a little better with the soft rides on. she wont put hardly any weight on her foot. |
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| Just went through this with my mare. Finally gave up on the vets. I put her on my Theraplate, lasered her and used Aculife patches on her. She is now sound. Are you sure it's not an abcess? Or a really bad stone bruise? My mare did not test with hoof testers either. But she did have an abcess break on the hoof wall. Vet couldn't find it. X-rays and Ultrasound. Also palpate her tendons and suspensories. |
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Location: The Frozen North | Did they aspirate the joint? Are they sure there is no infection in there? Just wondering since they did put her on antibiotics for a while?? |
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| don't think infection in there cuz they put the very strong antibiotic directly into ankle with a turnequet around her ankle. I wish it was an abcess... I pray it is, but it does not seem like it... ankle still swollen..cant put any weight on her leg now...im going to get a second opinion in the am..then mri if we have to....I hate hurting my vet feelings by getting a second opinion, but my vet is confused and cant figure out what it is.. he is 90 percent sure its in her ankle. and wants us to get an mri done or a bone scan... here is another question... go to elgin? go to dr hannas? go to brazos valley with dr. ben?? thank you |
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| I would go to Equine Sports Medicine in Pilot Point. They are the best lameness vets that I have used. They are expensive but worth it
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| Just went through this with my mare. Vet X-rayed joint,did lameness locator, etc. after several trips found that ankle was touching instead of seperated.
2 degree wedges, said she should be sound will know tomorrow farrier is coming in morning |
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| dr honnas found out she has a cyst on her fetlock bone... treating with tilden 3 times, every other day. then stall rest for 10 days, then see if rthe tilden did any good.. subchondral bone cyst on fetlock.... just showed up in xray today. did not show up the last 2 weeks on xray or on ultrasounds.... this is very bad new... he said he only has seen 6 to 8 of these in his career... anyone else ever heard of this? we are so upset... |
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| myvwranch - 2014-04-08 8:46 PM
dr honnas found out she has a cyst on her fetlock bone... treating with tilden 3 times, every other day. then stall rest for 10 days, then see if rthe tilden did any good.. subchondral bone cyst on fetlock.... just showed up in xray today. did not show up the last 2 weeks on xray or on ultrasounds.... this is very bad new... he said he only has seen 6 to 8 of these in his career... anyone else ever heard of this? we are so upset...
My vet gives tildren iv daily for 10 days, for non calcified bone spurs and has had complete success.
I would be asking how he is giving it and why that regime as that is not the suggested treatment. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-04-08 9:18 PM
myvwranch - 2014-04-08 8:46 PM
dr honnas found out she has a cyst on her fetlock bone... treating with tilden 3 times, every other day. then stall rest for 10 days, then see if rthe tilden did any good.. subchondral bone cyst on fetlock.... just showed up in xray today. did not show up the last 2 weeks on xray or on ultrasounds.... this is very bad new... he said he only has seen 6 to 8 of these in his career... anyone else ever heard of this? we are so upset...
My vet gives tildren iv daily for 10 days, for non calcified bone spurs and has had complete success.
I would be asking how he is giving it and why that regime as that is not the suggested treatment.
doing limb perfusion with the tilden close to the bone...its where you put a tourniquet on and it takes like 30 minutes.... its not iv.....its directly in the area where the bone cyst is....but I will ask about this.. |
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Location: Texas | myvwranch - 2014-04-08 9:27 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-04-08 9:18 PM
myvwranch - 2014-04-08 8:46 PM
dr honnas found out she has a cyst on her fetlock bone... treating with tilden 3 times, every other day. then stall rest for 10 days, then see if rthe tilden did any good.. subchondral bone cyst on fetlock.... just showed up in xray today. did not show up the last 2 weeks on xray or on ultrasounds.... this is very bad new... he said he only has seen 6 to 8 of these in his career... anyone else ever heard of this? we are so upset...
My vet gives tildren iv daily for 10 days, for non calcified bone spurs and has had complete success.
I would be asking how he is giving it and why that regime as that is not the suggested treatment.
doing limb perfusion with the tilden close to the bone...its where you put a tourniquet on and it takes like 30 minutes.... its not iv.....its directly in the area where the bone cyst is....but I will ask about this..
It's called a regional limb perfusion. And a subchondral bone cyst is not the same thing as a spur so tildren may be given a different way for a different problem. Dr. Honnas knows what he is doing. |
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Location: Texas | I read up on it. giving it IV for 10 days is the label administration protocol. Vets are trying regional limb perfusions to cut down on cost to the customer and to localize the drugs to specific areas. You can get a concentrated amount of drug in a specific area without using as much drug and therefore not spending as much money. Some vets prefer to do regional limb perfusions on young horses so the drug doesn't negatively impact growing bone. There aren't any clinical studies that are published to my knowledge on the efficacy of doing RLP tildren…lots of vets are going based off trial and error and anecdotal evidence. He is one of many vets that I know use tildren this way. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | casualdust07 - 2014-04-08 9:44 PM I read up on it. giving it IV for 10 days is the label administration protocol. Vets are trying regional limb perfusions to cut down on cost to the customer and to localize the drugs to specific areas. You can get a concentrated amount of drug in a specific area without using as much drug and therefore not spending as much money. Some vets prefer to do regional limb perfusions on young horses so the drug doesn't negatively impact growing bone. There aren't any clinical studies that are published to my knowledge on the efficacy of doing RLP tildren…lots of vets are going based off trial and error and anecdotal evidence. He is one of many vets that I know use tildren this way.
This is what was suggested to us for our filly with the fractured navicular bone. I think we were quoted around $250 per treatment for one leg. Tildren IV was much more expensive, around $1200.
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| we picked her up yesterday. she is on stall rest..1 1/2 gram of bute twice a day. we are going to cut back on bute gradually and see how she acts. I started her on previcox also. I thought I should start her on ulcer meds but reading about them is very confusing. I don't think she has ulcers but after stayin in a stall and taking bute daily she sure might... I bought some aloe vera juice for now, until I figure out the best to do... dr honnas mentioned a compounded omaprozole that was cheaper, but some posts say it does not work.... does the gastroplus work? does anything work besides the 370.00 for 14 day tubes of gastrogard or ulcergard??? thank you, |
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| U gard is good and in have used it on several horses to treat for ulcers and it does work. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | cheryl makofka - 2014-04-08 7:18 PM myvwranch - 2014-04-08 8:46 PM dr honnas found out she has a cyst on her fetlock bone... treating with tilden 3 times, every other day. then stall rest for 10 days, then see if rthe tilden did any good.. subchondral bone cyst on fetlock.... just showed up in xray today. did not show up the last 2 weeks on xray or on ultrasounds.... this is very bad new... he said he only has seen 6 to 8 of these in his career... anyone else ever heard of this? we are so upset... My vet gives tildren iv daily for 10 days, for non calcified bone spurs and has had complete success. I would be asking how he is giving it and why that regime as that is not the suggested treatment.
Might wanna do some research on perfusion...... |
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| I used compounded ulcerguard worked great for me. One tube last 3 days i still got good results by 1tube split into 4 days. My fairly bucky horse if imdidnot ride for a week didnit ride all winter saddle up not nere none buck lunged like i been riding all winter. He was so quiet it scared me. |
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