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barrelbasher
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2014-05-03 9:02 PM
Subject: Lefty horses...need advice please



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Hi all, I have recently switched my horse to the left after some issues. He has been doing really well and has been clicking anywhere from bottom of 1d to top mid 3d. The difference seems to be where we draw up on the drag. If we get top of ground he is 1d/ top of 2d. If we draw up on bottom of ground we are 3d. He seems to be having some trouble with the ruts... I expected he would have some issues but not to this extent as he is a big boy. He is 16.0 and 1300 lbs. but regardless he is proving to be bogged down when we draw up late in the ground. Can any of you fellow lefties offer some advise ?
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aksledneckgirl
Reg. Aug 2013
Posted 2014-05-03 11:43 PM
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My mare and I are leftys. My mare does great running in the deep ground. Definitely not a top runner! She just gets her legs under herself more in the deeper or more tore up ground. I think it just depends on the horse. The more hauling the more experience with different grounds! Pray for good draws and good luck to you two! :)
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barrelbasher
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2014-05-04 12:01 AM
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Thanks, lol. Till he gets better at battling the ruts thats it exactly what I am doing lol.
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barrelbasher
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2014-05-04 2:55 PM
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Evidently there is nothing that will help other than time. So be it and praying for top of the ground draws lol
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rodeowithjoker
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2014-05-04 6:06 PM
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Was he having similar troubles before you switched him?
I've never had one have more ground trouble going one direction vs. the other, and I have had quite a few horses run both directions at different times in their careers. 
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barrelbasher
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2014-05-04 9:40 PM
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No he really didnt have ground trouble going right. He would get slowed down a tad in heavy deep ground but never loose as much time as he is now. He had major ground trouble today but it was just deep shifty ground today and alot of horses were having issues.
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clover girl
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2014-05-05 10:25 AM
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If the ground is deep my lefty has ground issues at the 3rd.. She finally figured out how to get around them, but it required changing the way she turned.  

With 1st & 2nd you are not going against the ruts only on 3rd.  1st can offer some trouble onthe backside, but if the ground is decent you should be fine. 

Where is he getting hung up?
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ajs2002
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2014-05-05 11:41 AM
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clover girl - 2014-05-05 11:25 AM If the ground is deep my lefty has ground issues at the 3rd.. She finally figured out how to get around them, but it required changing the way she turned.  



With 1st & 2nd you are not going against the ruts only on 3rd.  1st can offer some trouble onthe backside, but if the ground is decent you should be fine. 



Where is he getting hung up?

Oh thanks for posting this. I was all confused as to why what direction she was running would make a difference in how the horse handled the ground. Now that you used the words running against the ruts that makes perfect sense since the majority of horses run right. Learn something new everyday. Thanks for the education on that one.
 
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barrelbasher
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2014-05-05 12:31 PM
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He is not per se getting hung up he is just getting bogged down crossing ruts at 2nd and 3rd barrel. The first isn't a major issue but he is a rately type horse and previously needed to be driven up into his Pocket and now he is having to cross the ruts at 2nd and 3rd.
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clover girl
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2014-05-05 1:03 PM
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barrelbasher - 2014-05-05 12:31 PM He is not per se getting hung up he is just getting bogged down crossing ruts at 2nd and 3rd barrel. The first isn't a major issue but he is a rately type horse and previously needed to be driven up into his Pocket and now he is having to cross the ruts at 2nd and 3rd.
I am not understanding what ruts at 2nd?  3rd is the only barrel you have to go against the grain.    

Do you have a video?


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barrelbasher
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2014-05-05 3:05 PM
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I can't load a video of him from phone. But it your run to leafy first you have to cross the rut where people are making going to the right barrel first. Same as you have to cross rut at the 3rd barrel. Maybe if you draw it on paper it will make more sense. It's like when you get to the right hand barrel the horses who have already turned it have left track and banks that you end up getting in line. I guess that's the best way I can explain it
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clover girl
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2014-05-05 4:33 PM
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barrelbasher - 2014-05-05 3:05 PM I can't load a video of him from phone. But it your run to leafy first you have to cross the rut where people are making going to the right barrel first. Same as you have to cross rut at the 3rd barrel. Maybe if you draw it on paper it will make more sense. It's like when you get to the right hand barrel the horses who have already turned it have left track and banks that you end up getting in line. I guess that's the best way I can explain it

I run one and have no issues with the 2nd, only the 3rd.   Your rate popint hsould be the sames as everyone else's at 2nd.
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cyount2009
Reg. Apr 2012
Posted 2014-05-05 5:05 PM
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I think I understand what you are saying. You are saying that when leaving his second barrel he is getting bogged down in the slides that are created by a right handed horse's rate point, correct? ETA: Because he is a lefty, he would, essentially, rate the same distance from the barrel, just not the same spot. A right handed horse would start rating going to the barrel at a "semi vertical angle" to the barrel, if that makes any sense at all, a lefty would rate parallel with the barrel, basically the rate points differ in such a way between a lefty and a righty that their slides would make a goofy looking "T".

I would say if your horse is having this much trouble with ground after switching directions it could be one of two things< A. He is hurting somewhere or B. He needs hauled more to learn how to use his body.

If it is not a soundness issue, I would start doing a lot of exercises that makes him drive his inside leg up under himself going to the right, and getting him to really use those kind quarters and pull with his front end. Roll backs, quark screws and lots of "endless right handed barrel turns" at a nice controlled lope (set your barrels up like you are going to work the pattern but rather than doing the traditional pattern turn all the barrels to the right instead, my best explanation is: second barrel, third barrel, first barrel, then back to the second and so on, all right handed turns.) Just remember, these drills wont help unless he is using himself correctly.





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barrelbasher
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2014-05-05 6:16 PM
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cyount2009 - 2014-05-05 5:05 PM

I think I understand what you are saying. You are saying that when leaving his second barrel he is getting bogged down in the slides that are created by a right handed horse's rate point, correct? ETA: Because he is a lefty, he would, essentially, rate the same distance from the barrel, just not the same spot. A right handed horse would start rating going to the barrel at a "semi vertical angle" to the barrel, if that makes any sense at all, a lefty would rate parallel with the barrel, basically the rate points differ in such a way between a lefty and a righty that their slides would make a goofy looking "T".

I would say if your horse is having this much trouble with ground after switching directions it could be one of two things< A. He is hurting somewhere or B. He needs hauled more to learn how to use his body.

If it is not a soundness issue, I would start doing a lot of exercises that makes him drive his inside leg up under himself going to the right, and getting him to really use those kind quarters and pull with his front end. Roll backs, quark screws and lots of "endless right handed barrel turns" at a nice controlled lope (set your barrels up like you are going to work the pattern but rather than doing the traditional pattern turn all the barrels to the right instead, my best explanation is: second barrel, third barrel, first barrel, then back to the second and so on, all right handed turns.) Just remember, these drills wont help unless he is using himself correctly.




Yes, you understand me correctly. He has to go through the little rut/bank whatever u want to call it that all the righty horse leave when they make their turn. I know it is pretty much he is green running to the left. He is twelve and has been running. Since his 4 yr old year, but has just been switched due to past pain issues before his back surgery. I am sure once he get more runs to the left under his belt he will be fine
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cooper08
Reg. Apr 2008
Posted 2014-05-06 9:58 AM
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I ran a lefty---he never had ground problems and was switched around 12 years old (ran since 5), but the big thing is don't give much pocket. Big horses need less pocket anyway and it will keep you inside the ruts. Often times big horses are given big pockets but they are not accordions and ground will cause a much bigger problem.
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