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| uno-dos-tres! - 2014-05-29 2:11 PM
I really like using Ventipulmin via inhalation. It cuts down on the "Jitters"Â the beta 2 effects are affecting the very target tissue, the lungs and the Beta 1 effects on the heart are much milder.
If your horses is having seasonal allergies test for the cause then treat.
I sure hate giving Ventipulmin to rank horses it just makes your warm up miserable, not to mention how the horse must feel with their heart rate up. Laid back horses that need it I have no problems using it PO.
For the horse that ran better on the beclomethasone, have your tried Fluticasone? It's had great results for long term use and less side effects. Some believe that horses are "cured" by its use.
I'm going to try to find a good write up on these meds for you.
What my vet gave me was an IM shot. I'll have to go dig the bottle out of the trash so I know for sure what it was. He thought that the shot would be effective for 1-2 months. I read the link and saved it for future reference. I've thought several times that I should try to get some kind of an inhaler for her, but I don't even know where to begin. Do I need to go through a vet? Sometimes I feel like the vets think I'm crazy. I really just need to set up a dynamic endoscopy so they can see what she does while she's working, not just at a stand-still. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Jenbabe - 2014-05-29 2:36 PM I have used it with my horse that has a breathing issue. It was prescribed by a vet. I have since switched to a different product, but still have some in the medicine cabinet in case I need to use it. Just curious, what products are you using for your bleeder with restricted airway? I've been struggling with my mare, and it gets much worse in the spring, so I'm assuming hers is allergy/dust related. She has been scoped, but don't have access after a run, so I don't know for sure if she's bleeding or not, but vet suggested I run her on Lasix so I do. I've got her on Tri-Hist and use a product to open her airways prior to riding (Super Wind). A couple of days ago my vet suggested a shot, can't remember for sure the name, something like betamethasone, and that seemed to help quite a bit. She had been off of the Tri-Hist for several months, but I had to put her back on it recently to help with her breathing.
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Location: Bandera, TX | You can buy an inhaler thru your vet or from a supply company. You will need to get the meds from your vet.
Try the OTC products that missroselee suggested, I had success with the THE products on a rodeo horse about 10 years ago. I also like using Vit CK from BigD race supply. |
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| justcruzin - 2014-05-29 3:07 PM
 Clenbuterol is a bronchodilator, when usen in high doses it will cause sweating, tachycardia and restlessness. Lower the dose and  go from there, also it will not enhance performance if  the horse has normal lung function. The drug works and I have used it with great success in the past.
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I completely disagree. Unless all the horses I've encountered that are using it on the track don't have normal lung function. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | AfleetEquine - 2014-05-30 9:50 AM justcruzin - 2014-05-29 3:07 PM Clenbuterol is a bronchodilator, when usen in high doses it will cause sweating, tachycardia and restlessness. Lower the dose and go from there, also it will not enhance performance if the horse has normal lung function. The drug works and I have used it with great success in the past.
I completely disagree. Unless all the horses I've encountered that are using it on the track don't have normal lung function.
Please do some research. |
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Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | You guys are great! Love the information everyone has offered! I personally don't need to lower my dose because I don't intend on using it. However when I refer to the times I have, I was giving a low dose, 5cc.
I guess part of my curiosity is because I don't really see the point in using it unless there is a darn good medical condition to, such as airway problems/allergies/etc.
I just don't care for it though because I feel like if you are only using it to enhance performance, then there are better products out there to accomplish that. And I also don't feel like it enhances anything on a "normal" horse. |
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| missroselee - 2014-05-30 12:19 PM
You guys are great! Â Love the information everyone has offered! Â I personally don't need to lower my dose because I don't intend on using it. Â However when I refer to the times I have, I was giving a low dose, 5cc.
I guess part of my curiosity is because I don't really see the point in using it unless there is a darn good medical condition to, such as airway problems/allergies/etc.
I just don't care for it though because I feel like if you are only using it to enhance performance, then there are better products out there to accomplish that. Â And I also don't feel like it enhances anything on a "normal" horse.Â
I agree with you, I don't use it unless my horses are in respiratory distress, I will administer it after having a discussion with the vet on the course of treatment.
For my own piece of mind, I don't run my horses on it unless the vet has examined the horse and says it is safe to do so. The later rarely happens. |
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Location: Ky | We used it on one horse every time he competed. He does have a bit of a chonic cough when it's dusty so it was great for him. We used the cough syrup type. For arond home and the other horses we used the cheap stuff, Air Power.
Worked great for us and I would it again in a heartbeat. |
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| justcruzin - 2014-05-30 1:06 PM
AfleetEquine - 2014-05-30 9:50 AM justcruzin - 2014-05-29 3:07 PM  Clenbuterol is a bronchodilator, when usen in high doses it will cause sweating, tachycardia and restlessness. Lower the dose and  go from there, also it will not enhance performance if  the horse has normal lung function. The drug works and I have used it with great success in the past.
 I completely disagree. Unless all the horses I've encountered that are using it on the track don't have normal lung function.
I don't agree with it, but I do feel as it is an upper. Even you stated "restlessness," which, in some cases I do believe can be a performance enhancer. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | AfleetEquine - 2014-05-30 5:12 PM justcruzin - 2014-05-30 1:06 PM AfleetEquine - 2014-05-30 9:50 AM justcruzin - 2014-05-29 3:07 PM Clenbuterol is a bronchodilator, when usen in high doses it will cause sweating, tachycardia and restlessness. Lower the dose and go from there, also it will not enhance performance if the horse has normal lung function. The drug works and I have used it with great success in the past.
I completely disagree. Unless all the horses I've encountered that are using it on the track don't have normal lung function. I don't agree with it, but I do feel as it is an upper. Even you stated "restlessness," which, in some cases I do believe can be a performance enhancer.
Yet it is outlawed on racetracks. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | SC Wrangler - 2014-06-01 2:02 PM AfleetEquine - 2014-05-30 5:12 PM justcruzin - 2014-05-30 1:06 PM AfleetEquine - 2014-05-30 9:50 AM justcruzin - 2014-05-29 3:07 PM Clenbuterol is a bronchodilator, when usen in high doses it will cause sweating, tachycardia and restlessness. Lower the dose and go from there, also it will not enhance performance if the horse has normal lung function. The drug works and I have used it with great success in the past.
I completely disagree. Unless all the horses I've encountered that are using it on the track don't have normal lung function. I don't agree with it, but I do feel as it is an upper. Even you stated "restlessness," which, in some cases I do believe can be a performance enhancer.
I think part of why it's outlawed is because of the dangers of the wrong people using it. I've seen this stuff almost kill a horse when not dosed properly. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | missroselee - 2014-06-01 6:35 PM SC Wrangler - 2014-06-01 2:02 PM AfleetEquine - 2014-05-30 5:12 PM justcruzin - 2014-05-30 1:06 PM AfleetEquine - 2014-05-30 9:50 AM justcruzin - 2014-05-29 3:07 PM Clenbuterol is a bronchodilator, when usen in high doses it will cause sweating, tachycardia and restlessness. Lower the dose and go from there, also it will not enhance performance if the horse has normal lung function. The drug works and I have used it with great success in the past.
I completely disagree. Unless all the horses I've encountered that are using it on the track don't have normal lung function. I don't agree with it, but I do feel as it is an upper. Even you stated "restlessness," which, in some cases I do believe can be a performance enhancer.
Drug regulations in racing jurisdictions are 90% about protecting the betting public and maybe 10% about the horses. There is definitely not agreement about the performance enhancing properties of Ventipulmon. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | I used it on my mare that has allergies but I've since switch to wind aid and Finishline airpower they seem to be working well, she did get really sweaty on ventipulmon. I'll only use venti if conditions are really bugging her and I syringe it in her mouth. |
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