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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | I thought I had been doing it right but last night I was helping stake for a little open rodeo and it just seemed all wrong.
When you stake for a pattern tell me how you do it from start to finish. I really don't think I am losing my mind....  |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | I'm no expert but usually the 3rd barrel........... |
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| We're a little spoiled because we have everything pre measured and marked. The fence is marked for the timers and the 1st/2nd so we put the tape there. Then the tape is marked for the stakes, we can adjust according to arena conditions. Then we move the end of the tape to the 1st stakes and a pre marked spot to the 2nd stake and pull the tape up to the 3rd with the center measurement. If we're staking the normal size pattern we set it's really slick. And we've gotten good enough at math it's pretty easy to adjust.
If you're running at one arena on a regular basis I think it's worth investing in a tape for that arena and marking it out. It makes it go so much faster and it's super easy if you pull a stake to quickly reset it. |
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Location: North Dakota | I usually draw out the arena measurements on a piece of paper and get it all figured out on paper first and then I head out to start measuring spots and placing stakes. I usually start at the 3rd barrel, and then go back to get my timers marked because I want the 3rd so many ft off the fence and the timers far enough away from the end of the arena to give enough room for stopping. Then I measure my 1st and 2nd so many ft from the timer and so many ft from the arena sides. I like to mark it out on paper first though because it just seems to help me get it organized in my head exactly how I want to do it. That way I know how big I can go but yet give enough room off the fence and enough room for stopping, etc. Then that way I also have it marked down so I know where everything is so if people ask for measurements or if a stake gets lost, etc. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | I have never staked a pattern but I have built a ton of swimming pools before houses were built and they needed to be in the correct location and elevation.
So I would stake the 3rd barrel first because barrels 1 and 2 will be easy to calculate off that and they will be the same distance and angle from 3.
I would stake the 2rd barrel and run a line straight back to the finish line. After staking the 2rd barrel I would stake a perfectly square pattern the dimensions of the pattern. By using the corners of the square you can use the corners to make a perfect pattern. I would calculate the distance from barrel 3 up that line to where the line from barrel 1 and 2 cross. Then the distance between barrels 1 and 32 are divided in 2 so half is on each side of that line. By using the corners of the square it would be easy to locate vertically where 1 and 2 are located to 3.
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | UTAHCANCHASER - 2014-06-07 9:23 AM I thought I had been doing it right but last night I was helping stake for a little open rodeo and it just seemed all wrong.
When you stake for a pattern tell me how you do it from start to finish. I really don't think I am losing my mind....
What are the sizes of your pattern and I will draw you how to stake it and email it to you. If you live close by i would stake it to you. |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | okay geometry teacher here...
the two timers and barrels 1 & 2 form a rectangle. to keep it "squared up" remember the diagonals of a rectangle are congruent. If you want the length of each diagaonal you could use the pythagorean theorem, but I think trial and error would work just fine.
the three barrels form an isoscles triangle so distance from each one of them to the third should be the same. use your tape like a giant compass and draw an arc from barrel one, then using same measurment draw arc from barrel 2. the intersectrion of the arcs is where barrel 3 stake goes!
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Let me try again,LOL.
Draw a line at barrel 3 (Line A) paralell to a line from barrels 1 and 2 (Line B). The distance from Barrel 3 and the Line B must be known. Locate on Line A where you want Barrel 3 to be located. (Preferrably in line with the finish exit). Draw a line (Line C) from barrel 3 back towards the finish line at a 90 degree angle (perpendicular) to line B. The distance from barrels 1 and 2 with the center of that distance located on the Line C. That should locate where barrels 1 and 2 should be. Clear as mud?
Edited by Douglas J Gordon 2014-06-07 1:19 PM
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-06-07 11:18 AM
Let me try again,LOL.
Draw a line at barrel 3 (Line A) paralell to a line from barrels 1 and 2 (Line B). The distance from Barrel 3 and the Line B must be known. Locate on Line A where you want Barrel 3 to be located. (Preferrably in line with the finish exit). Draw a line (Line C) from barrel 3 back towards the finish line at a 90 degree angle (perpendicular) to line B. The distance from barrels 1 and 2 with the center of that distance located on the Line C. That should locate where barrels 1 and 2 should be. Clear as mud?
sorry but this is too complicated for application by layperson. just constructing the parallel line involves corresponding angles which is easy on paper but not in arena. then to draw a perpendicular bisector is easy on paper but not for application by a layperson. stick with what i have outlined above and you will have no trouble |
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| Get a WPRA rule book: it's all in there and not nearly as complicated as you think. Good luck. |
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Elite Veteran
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| I think it all depends on the arena you are staking in. If there is an alley way that you can use for a center, then that is where I would start! Because alot of those arena's might look square, but are way off. Years back, I was going to Pro Rodeo's over the 4th with a group of girls, and two of them were on the list to stake the barrel pattern at a rodeo in Minnesota. Well they started with the 3rd barrel. They got the 1'st and 2nd barrels staked, I was helping by holding the tape for them. I took one look at where the alley was and where the first and second was and told one of them, well better watch out cause a tough lefty will win this one. The alley way was set up perfect for the lefty, but for a righty, they would have to run across the arena a ways after they broke the timer!!! I was riding a lefty!!!! But she went and said something to the other girls about me being right and it was changed. That arena set at such an odd angle and they were using that gate as a center so in my book, that is where it all should start, so as a righty or a lefty has the same distance to run! Now for side gate, that is a different story.
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Location: Lost in Texas | We've never started with the third barrel.. Start with the timer, the 1 and 2 how far down and off the fence, then the third. That's of course after you got the arena measurement, make sure the alley is in the center or how far one way or the other the pattern needs to be. |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | you cant start with barrels you need to start with a straight timing light..... and that is not nessecarily along pannels of an arena. we start with the alley and measure how much room we want between the fence and the timing light. then we measure how far off the fence we want the 1st and second barrel. Then we take two tape measures and set the third barrel and even distance from both. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | i have always started with the timer distance and square it with 1 and 2 barrel.....................
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Party Girl
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | Thanks everyone! I don't feel like I have totally lost my mind now... LOL |
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