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Man, i'd love to come live with you in the summer time....and when there aren't any tornados headed your way. Way cool pics, Amy, and it's no wonder your program is so successful! There's just no substitute for those kind of miles and that kind of exposure! |
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Location: SE KS | Tiffany1261 - 2014-06-19 10:00 PM
It was bred from ranch horses is what I mean sorry for the confusion y'all. It's a untouched 2yr old that's pretty much lived on a ranch it's whole life so far. It has some cow and old racing blood lines. The guy said there super fast little horses and should make good barrel horses. I just wanna see what y'all think?
Do you have a pedigree for us to see?
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Location: Pacific Northwest | Tiffany1261 - 2014-06-19 8:00 PM
It was bred from ranch horses is what I mean sorry for the confusion y'all. It's a untouched 2yr old that's pretty much lived on a ranch it's whole life so far. It has some cow and old racing blood lines. The guy said there super fast little horses and should make good barrel horses. I just wanna see what y'all think?
My horse that came off a working ranch and has just cow lines is the fastest horse on our property...faster than my off the track, racebred mare. People are usually surprised that his pedigree is pretty boring haha.
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Theres something about that black horse that i am very drawn to, I just stare at it when I look at the pictures and color has nothing to do with it.
Nice pictires thanks for sharing, if I could post off my phone id put a ranch work and barrel picture up of the same horse but I cant. |
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Location: Around here somewhere... | Tiffany1261 - 2014-06-17 3:27 PM
Ok so we're getting a ranch horse and was wondering how it would do on barrels. The horse is 2yrs old so it's gonna start at a young age. We get to go pick it out in a few weeks. What are some things I should look for on the ranch horse so it can do better in barrels? Do ranch horses make good barrel horses?
 If it's fast and can turn, yes. If not, no. |
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Location: In a happy place | della - 2014-06-20 9:54 AM
Theres something about that black horse that i am very drawn to, I just stare at it when I look at the pictures and color has nothing to do with it.
Nice pictires thanks for sharing, if I could post off my phone id put a ranch work and barrel picture up of the same horse but I cant.
Same for me. That black horse is mesmerizing. They are all quite good looking but that black horse is just something else. |
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| Hopefully you are getting this horse for meat price.
I wouldn't worry about the breeding at this point, but an untouched 2 year old, these horses can take forever to train, and they need the right start they cannot be bullied, or picked on.
I traded a cheap saddle for a nicely bred black untouched 2 yr old mare. The first month she went to a trainer for halter breaking. The first winter she was kept in a closed pen I hand fed and blanketed twice a day. If you came up without her knowledge she would fire out at you.
As a 3 yr old she went to a different trainer for 30 rides after she was still very skittish of people. Then she went to a different trainer for finishing work.
She is now 5 has had about 5-6 months professional training has been handled daily, still skittish on the ground and I don't trust her around kids.
Would I buy another untouched 2 yr old, nope. The amount of money I have spent in training, I could have bought a nicely bred well handled horse. |
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Location: Willows, CA | If you train your own and don't want someone else starting your horse differently than you would then you need to start with a two year old. If you are going to send it out anyway you are better of buying a well started horse that is already showing you that you will most likely get along. |
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Location: Georgia | cheryl makofka - 2014-06-22 1:22 PM Hopefully you are getting this horse for meat price. I wouldn't worry about the breeding at this point, but an untouched 2 year old, these horses can take forever to train, and they need the right start they cannot be bullied, or picked on. I traded a cheap saddle for a nicely bred black untouched 2 yr old mare. The first month she went to a trainer for halter breaking. The first winter she was kept in a closed pen I hand fed and blanketed twice a day. If you came up without her knowledge she would fire out at you. As a 3 yr old she went to a different trainer for 30 rides after she was still very skittish of people. Then she went to a different trainer for finishing work. She is now 5 has had about 5-6 months professional training has been handled daily, still skittish on the ground and I don't trust her around kids. Would I buy another untouched 2 yr old, nope. The amount of money I have spent in training, I could have bought a nicely bred well handled horse.
I respectfully disagree. I've seen and heard of several untouched young horses that go on to be fantastic riding horses. I think it mainly depends on their personality and willingness to learn. I dont think anyone should be discouraged from buying a young, untouched horse if they want one to train their own way. Yes there will be obstacles but there always are, even with the ones that have been handled since birth. Good luck to the OP!
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Location: SE Louisiana | Runninbay - 2014-06-22 1:29 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-06-22 1:22 PM Hopefully you are getting this horse for meat price. I wouldn't worry about the breeding at this point, but an untouched 2 year old, these horses can take forever to train, and they need the right start they cannot be bullied, or picked on. I traded a cheap saddle for a nicely bred black untouched 2 yr old mare. The first month she went to a trainer for halter breaking. The first winter she was kept in a closed pen I hand fed and blanketed twice a day. If you came up without her knowledge she would fire out at you. As a 3 yr old she went to a different trainer for 30 rides after she was still very skittish of people. Then she went to a different trainer for finishing work. She is now 5 has had about 5-6 months professional training has been handled daily, still skittish on the ground and I don't trust her around kids. Would I buy another untouched 2 yr old, nope. The amount of money I have spent in training, I could have bought a nicely bred well handled horse. I respectfully disagree. I've seen and heard of several untouched young horses that go on to be fantastic riding horses. I think it mainly depends on their personality and willingness to learn. I dont think anyone should be discouraged from buying a young, untouched horse if they want one to train their own way. Yes there will be obstacles but there always are, even with the ones that have been handled since birth. Good luck to the OP!Â
I agree.... every horse you ever saw do anything had to start from scratch.. |
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| Runninbay - 2014-06-22 1:29 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-06-22 1:22 PM Hopefully you are getting this horse for meat price. I wouldn't worry about the breeding at this point, but an untouched 2 year old, these horses can take forever to train, and they need the right start they cannot be bullied, or picked on. I traded a cheap saddle for a nicely bred black untouched 2 yr old mare. The first month she went to a trainer for halter breaking. The first winter she was kept in a closed pen I hand fed and blanketed twice a day. If you came up without her knowledge she would fire out at you. As a 3 yr old she went to a different trainer for 30 rides after she was still very skittish of people. Then she went to a different trainer for finishing work. She is now 5 has had about 5-6 months professional training has been handled daily, still skittish on the ground and I don't trust her around kids. Would I buy another untouched 2 yr old, nope. The amount of money I have spent in training, I could have bought a nicely bred well handled horse. I respectfully disagree. I've seen and heard of several untouched young horses that go on to be fantastic riding horses. I think it mainly depends on their personality and willingness to learn. I dont think anyone should be discouraged from buying a young, untouched horse if they want one to train their own way. Yes there will be obstacles but there always are, even with the ones that have been handled since birth. Good luck to the OP!Â
I'm not saying untouched horses can't be fantastic, I'm saying untouched horses tend to need more time. More time equals more money, since we are living in a buyers market, an untouched 2 yr old with ranch bloodlines it would have to be really cheap to take a gamble.
Sometimes a cheap horse turns out to be an expensive horse, all depends on time, education level, and resources one has. |
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| komet. - 2014-06-22 1:48 PM
Runninbay - 2014-06-22 1:29 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-06-22 1:22 PM Hopefully you are getting this horse for meat price. I wouldn't worry about the breeding at this point, but an untouched 2 year old, these horses can take forever to train, and they need the right start they cannot be bullied, or picked on. I traded a cheap saddle for a nicely bred black untouched 2 yr old mare. The first month she went to a trainer for halter breaking. The first winter she was kept in a closed pen I hand fed and blanketed twice a day. If you came up without her knowledge she would fire out at you. As a 3 yr old she went to a different trainer for 30 rides after she was still very skittish of people. Then she went to a different trainer for finishing work. She is now 5 has had about 5-6 months professional training has been handled daily, still skittish on the ground and I don't trust her around kids. Would I buy another untouched 2 yr old, nope. The amount of money I have spent in training, I could have bought a nicely bred well handled horse. I respectfully disagree. I've seen and heard of several untouched young horses that go on to be fantastic riding horses. I think it mainly depends on their personality and willingness to learn. I dont think anyone should be discouraged from buying a young, untouched horse if they want one to train their own way. Yes there will be obstacles but there always are, even with the ones that have been handled since birth. Good luck to the OP!Â
I agree.... every horse you ever saw do anything had to start from scratch..
I understand that all horses were born untouched, just as all humans were born not walking.
I do find if there is some human interaction with the foals, training generally is easier at each step.
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Location: In a happy place | Runninbay - 2014-06-22 1:29 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-06-22 1:22 PM Hopefully you are getting this horse for meat price. I wouldn't worry about the breeding at this point, but an untouched 2 year old, these horses can take forever to train, and they need the right start they cannot be bullied, or picked on. I traded a cheap saddle for a nicely bred black untouched 2 yr old mare. The first month she went to a trainer for halter breaking. The first winter she was kept in a closed pen I hand fed and blanketed twice a day. If you came up without her knowledge she would fire out at you. As a 3 yr old she went to a different trainer for 30 rides after she was still very skittish of people. Then she went to a different trainer for finishing work. She is now 5 has had about 5-6 months professional training has been handled daily, still skittish on the ground and I don't trust her around kids. Would I buy another untouched 2 yr old, nope. The amount of money I have spent in training, I could have bought a nicely bred well handled horse.
I respectfully disagree. I've seen and heard of several untouched young horses that go on to be fantastic riding horses. I think it mainly depends on their personality and willingness to learn. I dont think anyone should be discouraged from buying a young, untouched horse if they want one to train their own way. Yes there will be obstacles but there always are, even with the ones that have been handled since birth. Good luck to the OP!
I agree with you too. That's how it was done back in the "old" days. Nothing wrong with starting one at 2. |
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I am going to chime in and say that a good horse is a good horse regardless of how much handling it has or has not had....
Example:
I bought a three year old untouched stallion. I didn't know squat about barrel racing...spent the first year trail riding him...when I graduated college I sent him to a trainer for thirty days. I had next to nothing in him, and as a beginner barrel racer at the time I probably SHOULD have sent him for longer.
Ran him for a year-lit the world on fire! He was a JAM up horse. Sold him to a little girl after one season....she was ten maybe? Second show out on him he ran second with her on board to a horse priced in the six figures that set an arena record.
All this was within three years of buying him as an untouched stud.
So-a good horse is a good horse! I would much prefer an untouched horse any day then one that has been spoiled and allowed to get away with things.
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| komet. - 2014-06-22 12:48 PM
Runninbay - 2014-06-22 1:29 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-06-22 1:22 PM Hopefully you are getting this horse for meat price. I wouldn't worry about the breeding at this point, but an untouched 2 year old, these horses can take forever to train, and they need the right start they cannot be bullied, or picked on. I traded a cheap saddle for a nicely bred black untouched 2 yr old mare. The first month she went to a trainer for halter breaking. The first winter she was kept in a closed pen I hand fed and blanketed twice a day. If you came up without her knowledge she would fire out at you. As a 3 yr old she went to a different trainer for 30 rides after she was still very skittish of people. Then she went to a different trainer for finishing work. She is now 5 has had about 5-6 months professional training has been handled daily, still skittish on the ground and I don't trust her around kids. Would I buy another untouched 2 yr old, nope. The amount of money I have spent in training, I could have bought a nicely bred well handled horse. I respectfully disagree. I've seen and heard of several untouched young horses that go on to be fantastic riding horses. I think it mainly depends on their personality and willingness to learn. I dont think anyone should be discouraged from buying a young, untouched horse if they want one to train their own way. Yes there will be obstacles but there always are, even with the ones that have been handled since birth. Good luck to the OP!Â
I agree.... every horse you ever saw do anything had to start from scratch..
I've had great luck starting my horses when they are all older. Rarely do we ever start them as two year olds. |
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| Ranch horses make great barrel horses. ALL my barrel horses are also our ranch horses. Keeps them sane and loving their jobs. |
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| Tiffany1261 - 2014-06-17 4:27 PM
Ok so we're getting a ranch horse and was wondering how it would do on barrels. The horse is 2yrs old so it's gonna start at a young age. We get to go pick it out in a few weeks. What are some things I should look for on the ranch horse so it can do better in barrels? Do ranch horses make good barrel horses?
Mine did! I bought her when I was 15. She was a yearling. All I could afford. She is now 5. Bottom 2D top 3D still just cruising. The ranch I bought her from advertises as ranch bred quarter horses. After having her I would look at body build- she is 15hh maybe 15.1 weighs 1000-1100. Not huge but big enough- but not too big to run small stuff. My mare has a racey looking butt not the big QH butt. I think it lets her be lighter on her feet. She is still a butt dragger. She has long legs to stretch out too. Not huge barreled.
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1. Personality and how they respond to people and new things
2. Conformation: personally I don't like sausage looking horses or giraffe looking horses
3. Athletisism: how responsive to listening to smootching/ clucking is she? Not scared.. Responsive.
Of all of the things I have heard of my mare level headed and athletic are the 2 most popular. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | One of the nicer prospects I've had was a ranch-raised mare that was running bred on top and out of a ranchy-bred mare. She was raised a little more than half wild in the NE Sandhills for her first 3 years before being broke to ride. She was sensible, watchy, sure-footed, gritty, and quick. Knew how to use her body without me having to teach her. I had another ranch-raised mare that had actually been used some before I bought her as a 4 year old and she was the same way.
My my pasture raised babies have to be taught more about using themselves and where their feet are. |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-06-19 11:00 PM Tiffany1261 - 2014-06-19 9:00 PM It was bred from ranch horses is what I mean sorry for the confusion y'all. It's a untouched 2yr old that's pretty much lived on a ranch it's whole life so far. It has some cow and old racing blood lines. The guy said there super fast little horses and should make good barrel horses. I just wanna see what y'all think? Should work out fine. Take your time, lots of patience and have a good person start him/her under saddle. I'd have miles put on them as well. I started colts for a rancher that really didn't do much with them but feed them until they were 3, back in the day when I was young (and hungry). I much preferred to take on the unhandled over the rude, in your pocket, desensitized ones. Those are the ones that felt it was their right to throw a hissy if things didn't go their way. I found they were more apt to buck under pressure as well. I think they expected you just be your buddy, not a working partner. They didn't have the respect that I was GOD to them and what I say goes (in a gentle way of course).
Come to think of it, I have only been bucked off horses that had a lot of handling and were supposedly gentle. My show horse just dumped me good last week and he is a kitten. So there you have it.
Ditto... (im big on breaking them out as 3 yrs olds and this one wouldn't be any different...)
concentrate more on your patience and getting the colt WELL broke before ever even looking at a barrel...
Depending on the bloodlines, maybe some of us can offer insite to the ones on your colts papers in particular... when you pick him out... and above all... be safe... take the little things the colt gives you and reward according... letting a colt come around to you is very rewarding... forcing them is not...
Good luck! Can't wait to see what you pick out |
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