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Location: louisiana | This is a friend running my horse, he does a perfect cruise through, but when running he starts setting up way to early an runs a step past third, his Turing style is different almost for each barrel any help will be appreciated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiW-sIo-TSU
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| Too much pocket on first, he lost a lot of momentum leaving second and third the person quit riding went to one hand too soon. Third I would use more inside leg get a little more nose going in but still another stride farther then now. |
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Location: louisiana | cheryl makofka - 2014-08-04 10:39 AM
Too much pocket on first, he lost a lot of momentum leaving second and third the person quit riding went to one hand too soon. Third I would use more inside leg get a little more nose going in but still another stride farther then now.
Thankyou! it has been a battle building his confidence back up, I bought him from a girl that pretty much beat him for no reason. so he started running off on the 2nd the barrel with her been a long rough year, but slowly getting there
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | cheryl makofka - 2014-08-04 10:39 AM
Too much pocket on first, he lost a lot of momentum leaving second and third the person quit riding went to one hand too soon. Third I would use more inside leg get a little more nose going in but still another stride farther then now.
I agree, to much pocket causing horse to want to turn to early, not enough momentum for a ratey horse |
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Location: WYOMING | I dont think the pocket on #1 was all that big but on the backside he did start to finish the turn a step too soon and had to alter his body placement so he wouldnt hit the barrel. This caused him to step our wide leaving. Running between 1 & 2 you switch hands about half way across and sit up just a smidge. He immediately shuts down at this point and all forward momentum is gone.
Your challange will be to ride forward longer. If you dont ride 2 handed, no problem but dont sit up and switch hands like you did. Thats his cue... you need to ride much further across the pen and change hands at the last second before the turn.
Couldnt really see going to #3 but I would assume you sat up too soon on that one also.
He really listens to body movement as most setty horses do... so ride with your hands up and your body really aggressive. Dont prepare yourself to turn until the last millisecond!!! Easier said than done I KNOW!
On the third he stepped by it because of what happend as he entered the turn, I would guess. His face was a little to the outside, couldnt tell whether she pulled him that way to avoid dropping in too soon or what happened but he had to adjust to turn. |
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Location: louisiana | geronabean - 2014-08-04 11:41 AM
I dont think the pocket on #1 was all that big but on the backside he did start to finish the turn a step too soon and had to alter his body placement so he wouldnt hit the barrel. This caused him to step our wide leaving. Running between 1 & 2 you switch hands about half way across and sit up just a smidge. He immediately shuts down at this point and all forward momentum is gone.
Your challange will be to ride forward longer. If you dont ride 2 handed, no problem but dont sit up and switch hands like you did. Thats his cue... you need to ride much further across the pen and change hands at the last second before the turn.
Couldnt really see going to #3 but I would assume you sat up too soon on that one also.
He really listens to body movement as most setty horses do... so ride with your hands up and your body really aggressive. Dont prepare yourself to turn until the last millisecond!!! Easier said than done I KNOW!
On the third he stepped by it because of what happend as he entered the turn, I would guess. His face was a little to the outside, couldnt tell whether she pulled him that way to avoid dropping in too soon or what happened but he had to adjust to turn.
Thanks! this was her first time to run a really ratey horse |
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| What a cool horse! With my drop it in the ground and turn horses, I've found that the more work I do on the ground and at a walk/trot disengaging, moving the hip, the easier they are to manipulate during a run.
Keep hands elevated, and watch your feet and hips. You want your hips to stay relaxed and just sort of melt into your horse, if you will. That gives you flexibility to elevate your horse with your hands and torso, and put an outside leg into them to shove them one more step into the turn.
Mine are all really light, if I touch the face too much, or pull back at all in the turn, we're blowing out or dropping a shoulder in, etc. It's really important to keep them gathered with my outside leg as much as I can. |
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Location: louisiana | classicpotatochip - 2014-08-04 12:54 PM
What a cool horse! With my drop it in the ground and turn horses, I've found that the more work I do on the ground and at a walk/trot disengaging, moving the hip, the easier they are to manipulate during a run.
Keep hands elevated, and watch your feet and hips. You want your hips to stay relaxed and just sort of melt into your horse, if you will. That gives you flexibility to elevate your horse with your hands and torso, and put an outside leg into them to shove them one more step into the turn.
Mine are all really light, if I touch the face too much, or pull back at all in the turn, we're blowing out or dropping a shoulder in, etc. It's really important to keep them gathered with my outside leg as much as I can.
What is a good bit? he currently runs in a simplicity smooth mouth with no curb, but started sticking his nose out on the first barrel like not wanting to respond . so we brought him back to basics for a month an this was his run back. he doesn't like anything long shank since he is very light mouthes just has a mond of his own at times |
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| I've found with my push horses that the bigger you bit them, the harder they shut down. I don't have good enough hands to use the larger shanked shoulder holders the proper way under pressure AND kick AND watch for my spots. I inevitably resort to dropping my hand forward towards the inside nostril, completely destroying the shank bits function). Maybe I could change it if I had more money and time and opportunity than Cresus and got to haul several times a week (See: lifetime goal; Fix hands).
So: I switch. I do all my arena work and slow work and warmup in my big shank that allows me to practice perfect and really help them stay in position. I let them live in that for all work, riding out, exhibitions, and warm up. Then 5 minutes before my run, I switch to a twisted snaffle and go make my run. Slightly magical for me, it's been working for me. Don't know if it will work for anyone else, though-- |
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Location: North Dakota | One of the best tips I got (I think it was from this forum) is that a ratey horse needs to (sometimes) be run directly at the next barrel. Also, apply the other tips above. I consciously try to line up my horse directly in front of the 2nd and 3rd and kick and usually things go pretty well. The more pocket you give the more they dive.
edited to add that I really like the goostree simplicity OR cg bit for my ratey horse.
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Location: louisiana | LMS - 2014-08-04 3:29 PM
One of the best tips I got (I think it was from this forum) is that a ratey horse needs to (sometimes) be run directly at the next barrel. Also, apply the other tips above. I consciously try to line up my horse directly in front of the 2nd and 3rd and kick and usually things go pretty well. The more pocket you give the more they dive.
edited to add that I really like the goostree simplicity OR cg bit for my ratey horse.
THANKS! ive found at home you run him directly at it and he does amazing! I tried it at a rodeo and it he ran up the fence on the first but the other 2 barrels where great had him checked over not sore or hurting so brought him back to basics and since im hurt she ran him for me to see how he would do |
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