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| So say you found this young horse (4) that is bred out the wazoo for cheap because the inexperienced owners realized they were in over their head. The horse has got their number bad. Anytime you ask the mare to flex when she wants to walk off she rears. Not omg rear but her front feet get about 3ft off the ground. She doesn't buck or run off. Just that. When you ask again, she rears again. She also does it if she wants to walk a certain direction and you are asking her to turn. Someone has obviously been rough with her face when she didn't listen and I assume her rearing when being pulled on freaked out whomever and she started getting away with it. She is not dangerous, just persistent and annoying. I have only ridden the horse at a walk. Have not even tried trotting or loping. Smart mare, too smart. The mare has been bitted up vertical and lateral. She reared twice the first time vertical and once lateral and not since (without a rider). Add a rider to the mix and she thinks if she does it enough you will leave her alone.
It doesn't seem hard to fix, just time consuming. I don't want to whoop on her for it and make her feel like she has to escalate the problem. What would you do? The horse has amazing ground manners (lots of ground work). I don't feel it's a pain issue since she has never been asked to do anything. The mare fell into these people's lap and they have never gotten to successfully do anything with her.
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| What's the breeding?
The horse may have never been abused. I bought one from my cousin who supposedly bucked everyone off, would run and scrape you off the trees, kick up rear up, everything. This horse was never abused, but spoiled.
I got him we had a come to Jesus meeting where he tried everything, he did get his but whipped and turned in many circles. After the one day of discipline he was good as gold.
I look at bloodlines for train ability and personality, this will tell me if I can push or not, discipline or not.
Also the more you are around the horse, you will figure out what you can or can't do |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-08-30 11:00 AM
What's the breeding?
The horse may have never been abused. I bought one from my cousin who supposedly bucked everyone off, would run and scrape you off the trees, kick up rear up, everything. This horse was never abused, but spoiled.
I got him we had a come to Jesus meeting where he tried everything, he did get his but whipped and turned in many circles. After the one day of discipline he was good as gold.
I look at bloodlines for train ability and personality, this will tell me if I can push or not, discipline or not.
Also the more you are around the horse, you will figure out what you can or can't do
first down dash, Shawnee bug, jody o toole
I don't think she's been "abused" per say. I think due to the inexperience of the owners she was jerked on when she resisted turning or going forward and it started and fueled this habit. When I asked what they did when she wouldn't go forward they said pull her in a circle (primarily the male rode her). I do believe this horse is spoiled. When I watch the guy lead her he led her by holding the lead rope right under the horses jaw basically forcing the horse to walk on top of him and he needed help walking her through a gate because he couldn't hold it open and walk her through it (he couldn't or didn't know how to send her threw it). I'm not sure if she is spoiled on purpose or spoiled due to lack of knowledge.
My concern with whooping her butt and turning her in circles is A) if a whoop her butt for rearing will I turn the habit into a buck or a run off habit? (A more dangerous habit or lose her trust) and B) her discipline has been being pulled into circles/ pulled into flexing which is a trigger for the rearing.
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| How close is FDD and Shawnee Bug?
I have rode a few grand babies of FDD, and have not had a bucker, mine have been more reactive, but can take an over and under, mine have all been very smart.
I haven't heard of Shawnee Bugs being bad.
I my experience it comes down to feel, what the horse feels like between your hands and under you.
I think it would be worth a try especially if this one is a grand baby of FDD, and spend the first day in the round pen getting to know her.
The other thing you can do is call the previous owners and get their experience with the horse
Edited to add it is quite hard for a horse to buck in tight circles and still hard for them to run off in circles too if you do it the right way.
Start in the round pen try it once, if she runs off then you know, horses are very forgiving generally will not change their behaviour over one negative experience.
Edited by cheryl makofka 2014-08-30 12:14 PM
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I had one of mine do something similar and it was a tiny shard of a wolf tooth he had on the upper right. Got that pulled, had my husband give him a little "lesson" and he never did it again. Just a thought for my she may be pulling this with her rider. |
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Location: Texas | Rearing 3-ft. is not a little problem to me. |
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Location: Heart of Texas | I would check her teeth first and foremost. I have a granddaughter of FDD too and I was on the verge of selling her b/c she started this god awful bucking business. I'm talking bronc status. I tried to run it out of her and turns out it was her teeth. She needed a floating. Hadn't even been a year since her last one, vet said she didn't have anything really sharp, but her bucking immediatly stopped right after. A good teeth floating might save you a lot of time and headache. Good luck. |
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| I will definitely have the teeth looked at. I was told they are recent but you know how that is.... |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Get the teeth fixed then start driving her on long reins in a round pen or small corral. If she rears pop her with a whip to encourage forward motion. Riding and rearing will get you hurt. work from the ground up. |
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| Personally I won't put up with rearing scares me to death. Whatever you decide please be careful. |
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| Hey y'all! I figured I would update everyone. The other day when I rode her when she would rear I would step off and wear her out on the ground because I was afraid to on the saddle in case the bolted or bucked. Today I rode her (did not ride yesterday) and totally different horse. She reared halfway once and I over n undered her butt and another time she used upward energy with her front end and came like an inch off the ground and I spanked her butt again. Other than that when she would start to fuss with me like she would right before she reared she would work herself through it. Hopefully we are past it. Still going to have the teeth looked at but I figured I would let you guys know I'm not dead lol. |
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