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| Whiteboy - 2014-09-16 3:45 PM
I think it depends on the particular operation and what their breeding objectives are. When I purchased this mare Jess I was looking for a nice looking mare with a nice pedigree, that had a decent track record. I really wanted a mare that could run 250 yards under 13 seconds. That was one of my loose criteria. I found jess and she had a good pedigree, while not super saught after in the arena, but she had the quick speed, and good looks, so I jumped on it. But nice mares are really hard to come by. And they are very expensive. I don't know if people care about AAAT speed in a mare but I figured it sure can't hurt.   We will see if it pays off in the future.Â
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | So I counted all our mares:
Jet of Honor mare- proven 1D barrel horse, THSRA state qualifier with several girls over her long career, AQHYA world show qualifier, 2013 top 10 AQHYA high point barrel horse:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/doc+o+flits+honor
Reckless Dash mare- WPRA permit filler, PRCA rodeo winner, ANHA 1D shootout qualifier and 2D shootout qualifier, open rodeo money winner, 1D at WBR and Jurassic Classic. Half sister to Levin Lucille and Lucy Lucille
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/reckless+lucy
Strawflyin Buds mare- 1D mare, has won 4 barrel races since I got her in Feb 28, ANHA 2D shootout qualifier. Second dam is Bunnys Fortune
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ms+rare+buds
Rare Bar mare- LTE exceed $25,000 NBHA TX State 1D champion, multiple 1D wins, ANHA 2D shootout qualifier in 2014
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ole+rare+hope
Stoli mare- SI 79. Dam is stakes winner Shiney Miles, half sister to Rare News. Bought to be a broodmare:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bright+miles
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| casualdust07 - 2014-09-18 8:38 AM So I counted all our mares:
Jet of Honor mare- proven 1D barrel horse, THSRA state qualifier with several girls over her long career, AQHYA world show qualifier, 2013 top 10 AQHYA high point barrel horse:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/doc+o+flits+honor
Reckless Dash mare- WPRA permit filler, PRCA rodeo winner, ANHA 1D shootout qualifier and 2D shootout qualifier, open rodeo money winner, 1D at WBR and Jurassic Classic. Half sister to Levin Lucille and Lucy Lucille
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/reckless+lucy
Strawflyin Buds mare- 1D mare, has won 4 barrel races since I got her in Feb 28, ANHA 2D shootout qualifier. Second dam is Bunnys Fortune
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ms+rare+buds
Rare Bar mare- LTE exceed $25,000 NBHA TX State 1D champion, multiple 1D wins, ANHA 2D shootout qualifier in 2014
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ole+rare+hope
Stoli mare- SI 79. Dam is stakes winner Shiney Miles, half sister to Rare News. Bought to be a broodmare:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bright+miles
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Location: Oklahoma | Pedigree, Conformation, Produce Record & Performance Record. Not necessarily in that order.
We have quite a few mares in our program ... lots of old mares and people always question why we keep and or buy such old mamas - but IMO if they aren't old they either didn't do anything themselves or dang sure never produced anything. If you have a younger mare -- by the time she DOES produce some colts, she'll be old too.
Not all of our mares won themselves (track/barrel racing) but the ones that didn't have the opportunity themselves have proven to be pretty nice producers.
They are all bred very nice though - own daughters of somebody - Shawne Bug, Easily Smashed, Jet of Honor, Dash For Perks, Bully Bullion, Freedom Flyer, Dashing Cleat, Dean Miracle, On The Money Red, Reckless Dash, Rime, Rare Jet Extremes, A Classic Dash, Bullys On Fire, Beduinos Charger, Willie Wicked, La Jollas Gold, Captain Biankus
O/o Daughters of Shawne Bug, Special Effort, Easily Smashed, Rocket Wrangler, Go For Bugs, Stocks N Bonds, Oklahoma Fuel, etc. | |
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You get what you give
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Location: Texas | Whiteboy - 2014-09-18 9:00 AM
casualdust07 - 2014-09-18 8:38 AM So I counted all our mares:
Jet of Honor mare- proven 1D barrel horse, THSRA state qualifier with several girls over her long career, AQHYA world show qualifier, 2013 top 10 AQHYA high point barrel horse:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/doc+o+flits+honorÂ
Reckless Dash mare- WPRA permit filler, PRCA rodeo winner, ANHA 1D shootout qualifier and 2D shootout qualifier, open rodeo money winner, 1D at WBR and Jurassic Classic. Half sister to Levin Lucille and Lucy Lucille
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/reckless+lucyÂ
Strawflyin Buds mare- 1D mare, has won 4 barrel races since I got her in Feb 28, ANHA 2D shootout qualifier. Second dam is Bunnys Fortune
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ms+rare+buds Â
Rare Bar mare- LTE exceed $25,000 NBHA TX State 1D champion, multiple 1D wins, ANHA 2D shootout qualifier in 2014
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ole+rare+hope Â
Stoli mare- SI 79. Dam is stakes winner Shiney Miles, half sister to Rare News. Bought to be a broodmare:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bright+miles Â
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Yeah my problem is, I can't afford to ET any of them. We are just now going to breed the Jet Of Honor mare next year, and have two embryos sold on her for people that can pay for that..
The Reckless Dash mare took a year off to have a baby, but is going back into training..
And the other two are in the same boat.. I would love to get babies out of them now, and maybe if I had my own stallion I could afford the ET better but it's such an expensive process :(. Hey in three years I will have a degree to do it though!! | |
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| Those are some great "brood" mares!
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That's White "Man" to You
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| The only distinction I would make is that not all 1D horses are the same and not all stakes winners/placers are the same. The other day on equibase I was looking at a stakes wining mare with $1,200 in earnings, technically black type but not in my book. People often say this prospect is out of a 1D mare...okay...1D where and against who? | |
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You get what you give
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Location: Texas | Whiteboy - 2014-09-18 11:42 AM
The only distinction I would make is that not all 1D horses are the same and not all stakes winners/placers are the same. The other day on equibase I was looking at a stakes wining mare with $1,200 in earnings, technically black type but not in my book. People often say this prospect is out of a 1D mare...okay...1D where and against who?  Â
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| No doubt, Taylor Jacob put some of the best horses in the 2d at the finals last year so it kinda goes both ways.
I know the people in my area and I know how hard they run, so I try and base it off their runs when possible. No backyard gymkhanas included... | |
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Location: Texas | This!
http://barrelhorseworld.com/horsedetail.asp?ID=236517? | |
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| Runnin < C > - 2014-09-18 9:49 AM Pedigree, Conformation, Produce Record & Performance Record. Not necessarily in that order.
We have quite a few mares in our program ... lots of old mares and people always question why we keep and or buy such old mamas - but IMO if they aren't old they either didn't do anything themselves or dang sure never produced anything. If you have a younger mare -- by the time she DOES produce some colts, she'll be old too.
Not all of our mares won themselves (track/barrel racing) but the ones that didn't have the opportunity themselves have proven to be pretty nice producers.
They are all bred very nice though - own daughters of somebody - Shawne Bug, Easily Smashed, Jet of Honor, Dash For Perks, Bully Bullion, Freedom Flyer, Dashing Cleat, Dean Miracle, On The Money Red, Reckless Dash, Rime, Rare Jet Extremes, A Classic Dash, Bullys On Fire, Beduinos Charger, Willie Wicked, La Jollas Gold, Captain Biankus
O/o Daughters of Shawne Bug, Special Effort, Easily Smashed, Rocket Wrangler, Go For Bugs, Stocks N Bonds, Oklahoma Fuel, etc.
I agree with Runnin C here. I am very fortunate to have some amazing mares right now, and they sure as heck didn't come cheap. I'm just not lucky enough to find the "deals". But I can say, every mare I have is either a stakes producer or stakes placed herself, with a great maternal family and has solid conformation. The best mare I have couldn't outrun a fat man on the track, so her original owner bred her and everything she's produced (out of several different stallions) have been at least stakes qualifiers. Now, her daughters are producing race winners as well. So, point is, some mares can't handle competition for whatever reason and won't have the performance record, but they can become great producers. | |
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| I think the reason people breed no-name or lesser-name mares to good studs is to try to get resale value in the foal. Everyone wants a DTF, so breed a regular ol' mare to him to try to sell the foal for high $$. Some buyers would bite simply because of the DTF.
As far as what I would look for, I would look for a good solid mare with good conformation and some speed that has hopefully been used or an older broodmare with proven offspring. The conformation will help determine how the foal will hold up (hopefully, in a perfect world) and that to me is more important than being a world beater on speed. | |
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Location: Bigfoot Country | I love a strong maternal line, but..........
What else did Scampers dam produce?
Hotshots?
Seabiscuit?
Secretariat?
I'm sure there are tons more.
So much depends on WHO rides them too. I would bet that if I rode a horse and Charmayne
rode the same horse, she would MAKE it way better than me!
These horses seem to have ONE thing in common.............HEART!
Bloodlines can be great, but they gotta have HEART!.
Don't get me wrong, I love a great pedigree. But winners WIN, no matter who their parents are!
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| nuevocowgirl - 2014-09-18 12:44 PM I love a strong maternal line, but.......... What else did Scampers dam produce? Hotshots? Seabiscuit? Secretariat? I'm sure there are tons more. So much depends on WHO rides them too. I would bet that if I rode a horse and Charmayne rode the same horse, she would MAKE it way better than me! These horses seem to have ONE thing in common.............HEART! Bloodlines can be great, but they gotta have HEART!. Don't get me wrong, I love a great pedigree. But winners WIN, no matter who their parents are!
Not to get nit picky, but Secretariat's dam, Something Royal, came from a pretty strong maternal line herself and produced 4 stakes winners besides Secretariat. Heart and whose hands a colt ends up in has something to do with it, but nowadays those really good owners/trainers are going to be looking at a pedigree in its entirety. I believe Molli Montgomery recently did an interview and said that she buys a lot of her prospects site unseen, based on pedigree alone. So, IMO, to up your odds of your colt ending up with a top trainer, I believe that you should breed the best mare you can afford to the best stud you can afford that will compliment your mare. | |
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Location: Bigfoot Country | bowersk - 2014-09-18 1:08 PM
nuevocowgirl - 2014-09-18 12:44 PM I love a strong maternal line, but.......... What else did Scampers dam produce? Hotshots? Seabiscuit? Secretariat? I'm sure there are tons more. So much depends on WHO rides them too. I would bet that if I rode a horse and Charmayne rode the same horse, she would MAKE it way better than me! These horses seem to have ONE thing in common.............HEART! Bloodlines can be great, but they gotta have HEART!. Don't get me wrong, I love a great pedigree. But winners WIN, no matter who their parents are!
Not to get nit picky, but Secretariat's dam, Something Royal, came from a pretty strong maternal line herself and produced 4 stakes winners besides Secretariat. Heart and whose hands a colt ends up in has something to do with it, but nowadays those really good owners/trainers are going to be looking at a pedigree in its entirety. I believe Molli Montgomery recently did an interview and said that she buys a lot of her prospects site unseen, based on pedigree alone. So, IMO,  to up your odds of your colt ending up with a top trainer, I believe that you should breed the best mare you can afford to the best stud you can afford that will compliment your mare. Â
Oh, I agree 100%! But, just saying, there were some great horses from no-name mares.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | nuevocowgirl - 2014-09-18 2:12 PM bowersk - 2014-09-18 1:08 PM nuevocowgirl - 2014-09-18 12:44 PM I love a strong maternal line, but.......... What else did Scampers dam produce? Hotshots? Seabiscuit? Secretariat? I'm sure there are tons more. So much depends on WHO rides them too. I would bet that if I rode a horse and Charmayne rode the same horse, she would MAKE it way better than me! These horses seem to have ONE thing in common.............HEART! Bloodlines can be great, but they gotta have HEART!. Don't get me wrong, I love a great pedigree. But winners WIN, no matter who their parents are! Not to get nit picky, but Secretariat's dam, Something Royal, came from a pretty strong maternal line herself and produced 4 stakes winners besides Secretariat. Heart and whose hands a colt ends up in has something to do with it, but nowadays those really good owners/trainers are going to be looking at a pedigree in its entirety. I believe Molli Montgomery recently did an interview and said that she buys a lot of her prospects site unseen, based on pedigree alone. So, IMO, to up your odds of your colt ending up with a top trainer, I believe that you should breed the best mare you can afford to the best stud you can afford that will compliment your mare. Oh, I agree 100%! But, just saying, there were some great horses from no-name mares.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Good conformation, disposition and a good pedigree are essential. Performance is nice but not necessary. I used to buy older mares with good performance or produce records but after losing a few to foaling complications or throwing a lot of money at them and not being able to get them in foal, I swore off anything that was older than 12-14 depending on how many babies they had already. I have mares that are 1D performers but aren't producers (yet) and I have mares that are not performers but have the conformation, disposition and pedigree to produce a good horse. It makes no difference in the end result. Meaning the mares with the best conformation, disposition and pedigree to do the job are producing as well as the ones with the proven ability. All of my mares that have had a foal get to the pen are 1D producers. The least "popular" bred mare I have is a 3X 1D/rodeo winning producer. But the pedigree is what sells when all else is equal. | |
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