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Location: kansas | Does anyone have any experience with hind gut ulcers? What were your horses symptoms, how did you diagnois, and how did you treat? Any help would be much appricated, I am trying to figure out where to go from here!
Thank you in advance!
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| Digestive ULR. There is no way to scope for hind gut ulcers. My horse coliced. Digestive ULR is very cost effective. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Very small percent of ulcers are in the hind gut area. Hard to diagnose. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | A few years backmy horse acted like he was colicking and we took him to the vet school here. He was there a week and they drew blood, scoped, fecal, stomach tap. He did not colic but he was severely anemic and had a WBC count and scope and other tests were clean. They had no answers so I started digging and resarching and found he was a classic colon ulcer case. Very slow on feed, nervous, losing weight, didn't drink a lot of water. He had been on a small dose of bute prior and thru a study in NC i discovered that bute and banamine both are contributors and actually keep ulcerated spots from healing. Through a year's worth of trial and error and letting his appetite tell me what worked and what didn't I figured out molassas, beet pulp, amd non-molassas beet pulp, joint supplements all caused him to go off or get slow on his feed. In talking with the herbalist at HorsePower herbs I learned more in 10 min than I did the whole week with a full team of vets. She got him back on his feed. I fed straight grains, flax seed, a general supplement without a molassas base, alfalfa and the HP herb supplement Gut Proof. Its expensive but where other supplements are a powder this was like a pot pourri and it was good quality. I kept him on straight grains for 5 years. He's been on Strategy the last few years and maintaining but I still can't feed him joint supplements or a lot of beet pulp. He's also been on Chaff Haye the last little while--- His feed is on one of my blog posts. The Chaff Haye is good because of the enzymes and probiotics that it naturally contains. One thing I have learned is that when he stops drinking as much water, his gut is bothering him. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Another thing I learned is that gastric ulcer products dont work on colon ulcers. The goal with colon ulcers is to keep natural mucous in the gut to keep it protected and so it can heal. A lot of the same symptoms as gastric ulcers but diagnosed and treated differently. I think there is a new test that can pick up some kind of protein that's in their blood that can help with diagnosis. But thats all I know. |
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Location: IL | I have a horse that was diagnosed with hind gut ulcers. There is a test that Succeed makes that tests for hind gut and stomach. My mare tested positive for hind gut. I was going to put her on Succeed, (that's what my vet recommended) but it is quite expensive and I have 4 horses I was going to treat. We have a lot of sand at our house and it is causing the ulcers in their hind gut. The sand is abrasive and irritating to their colon. I don't doubt that Succeed doesn't work, a friend had her mare on it and her mare looked really good. I tried Equishure by KER (Kentucky Equine Research). Don't get it mixed up with the other product called Equisure, they are different. Any way I absolutely love the Equishure! All of my horses looked so good and felt great too! It's also much cheaper then Succeed. If you google KER-Equishure you can read more about it. My horse was cinchy and just cranky when riding. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | My dad's gelding we are almost positive has hindgut ulcers. He's had diarrhea on and off for months, despite having multiple clean fecal tests (no worms at all) and me changing his feed. I had him on the simplest thing possible - just hay - and he still had it. I tried him on probios and Fasttrack and it didn't help. Took him to a different vet and they did a different kind of fecal test, and he tested positive for blood in his stool. We started him on Succeed and his diarrhea is already gone but I'll be curious to see if he has to stay on it forever.
In his case he never went off feed or changed his drinking habits, and no colicky symptoms. But this was the most persistent diarrhea I have ever encountered, and having already dealt with plenty of gastric ulcers I was almost positive that wasn't it.
ETA our horse had things that triggered his to get worse too. For the most part, his "normal" stool was a cow-pie consistency and when it got really bad it would get even looser. Oats, devil's claw and yucca are what makes him flare up worse.
Edited by livexlovexrodeo 2014-10-15 6:36 PM
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Location: North Dakota | I have never tried this but came across it a couple days ago. http://racehorsemeds.com/product/misoprostol-powder/ |
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Location: kansas | livexlovexrodeo - 2014-10-15 6:33 PM My dad's gelding we are almost positive has hindgut ulcers. He's had diarrhea on and off for months, despite having multiple clean fecal tests (no worms at all) and me changing his feed. I had him on the simplest thing possible - just hay - and he still had it. I tried him on probios and Fasttrack and it didn't help. Took him to a different vet and they did a different kind of fecal test, and he tested positive for blood in his stool. We started him on Succeed and his diarrhea is already gone but I'll be curious to see if he has to stay on it forever. In his case he never went off feed or changed his drinking habits, and no colicky symptoms. But this was the most persistent diarrhea I have ever encountered, and having already dealt with plenty of gastric ulcers I was almost positive that wasn't it. ETA our horse had things that triggered his to get worse too. For the most part, his "normal" stool was a cow-pie consistency and when it got really bad it would get even looser. Oats, devil's claw and yucca are what makes him flare up worse.
So what do you feed your horse? Let me know how the Succeed continues to work please!
Your horse sounds like mine, we has never quit eating or drinking, but he is just very irritable I have noticed for probably a month that his tail is not sitting normal, he always had it lifted and tilted and it got to the point last week that even when I was just sitting on his back not moving he was swishing it around in discomfort and stomping his back leg. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | GastroPLUS has proven results on hind gut ulcers  |
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