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Longneck
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2014-10-15 3:56 PM
Subject: Breeding to Futurity ready


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I remember that someone broke down the cost of reproduction up until a horse reaches the age of it being a weanling, yearling and a two year old ready to go into training.   I can't find the thread and I can't remember the break down.  Anyone care to help me out? 

Assume that you already owned the mare you were breeding to a stud with a $2500-3000 fee and were breeding in the 2016 season for a 2017 foal.  Cost of getting this horse to a weanling?  Yearling?  Unridden two year old prospect?

Cost of a trainer putting the first 30-90 days on it (not neccessarily a barrel horse trainer, but someone who can put a good handle):

Cost of sending same three year old to a proven futurity trainer and having the horse competed on (assuming it was ready) it's four year old year:

How much money would a person have put into the horse compared to buying a similar horse (competitive 5 year old) outright?

What are the precentages of horses that are born (by the top studs) that actually make it to competing when they come from owners who have the financial ablility to get the horse into good hands?  Not just a back yard breeder who had the money for a stud fee and never tried to prove the actual colt.



 
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ThreeCorners
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2014-10-15 5:45 PM
Subject: RE: Breeding to Futurity ready


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With a $2500 stud fee + shipped semen + vet costs on the mare side + feed and care through gestation + x2 feed and care post partuation on average $7500 to reach a yearling.  
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FLITASTIC
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2014-10-16 2:42 PM
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And you can buy a super nice, BROKE, 4-5 year old ready to pattern for that..
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aqhabarrelchic1
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2014-10-16 8:39 PM
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Wouldn't know I break and train my own... But I will say I have to 10k into my yearling... Just on breeding alone so feed ect I probably have 13k in her now
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Longneck
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2014-10-16 8:45 PM
Subject: RE: Breeding to Futurity ready


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 Thanks, everyone!  Sounds like it's cheaper to buy at a young age.
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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2014-10-17 10:56 AM
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I didn't spend $2500 on my two year old but I did $1000 on breeding fee, $250 for shipping. I think the vet cost me around $150 total. (He was awesome and my mare is fertile myrtle). So to get her on the ground was around $1500 up front. Then of course we had to feed the mare. She was on senior feed, about a bag a week ($22 a bag x 4 weeks=88 a month x 11 months=$968). I think we had some round bales at around $65-70 a bale. She and two other horses went through them in about 10-12 days. That's about 3 a month so it's like she ate one by herself a month ($65 x 11 months=$715). To get her on the ground then was approximately $3200.

Then of course feeding her for two years. She was out on pasture with the mare at this point so very little in hay costs but we fed her Ulitum Growth. She'd go through a bag every couple weeks ($27 x 2=$54 a month x12=648). That got her through her yearling year when we switched her to Omelene 200 ($20 a bag x 12=$240). I did board her with me about six months at $150 which ended up being $900.

So to get her to 2 was about $5000. Then I spend $850 a month plus another $100 for farrier for three months for training. $550 (providing feed) for her first 30 days.

So to get her to broke $8500 or so. All that being said, I'm much happier I bred her. I know her personality from the ground up, her quirks, her problems. I don't have to search up some history on what might have happened to her. And I personally, would have had a hard time putting all that together for saving but doing it in small increments (almost like payments) made the whole thing much more doable for me. And honestly I made all that back in just one baby out of the same mare when she was 4 months old. If I continue to breed smart, they will help support my horse addiction and this filly's progress, lol, until she can start winning a little bit on her own. I plan to futurity at 5. Until then she will continue to be an expense. But isn't the purchase price the cheapest part anyway whether you are buying finished or not?
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RHRanch
Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2014-10-17 11:10 AM
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oija - 2014-10-17 11:56 AM I didn't spend $2500 on my two year old but I did $1000 on breeding fee, $250 for shipping. I think the vet cost me around $150 total. (He was awesome and my mare is fertile myrtle). So to get her on the ground was around $1500 up front. Then of course we had to feed the mare. She was on senior feed, about a bag a week ($22 a bag x 4 weeks=88 a month x 11 months=$968). I think we had some round bales at around $65-70 a bale. She and two other horses went through them in about 10-12 days. That's about 3 a month so it's like she ate one by herself a month ($65 x 11 months=$715). To get her on the ground then was approximately $3200. Then of course feeding her for two years. She was out on pasture with the mare at this point so very little in hay costs but we fed her Ulitum Growth. She'd go through a bag every couple weeks ($27 x 2=$54 a month x12=648). That got her through her yearling year when we switched her to Omelene 200 ($20 a bag x 12=$240). I did board her with me about six months at $150 which ended up being $900. So to get her to 2 was about $5000. Then I spend $850 a month plus another $100 for farrier for three months for training. $550 (providing feed) for her first 30 days. So to get her to broke $8500 or so. All that being said, I'm much happier I bred her. I know her personality from the ground up, her quirks, her problems. I don't have to search up some history on what might have happened to her. And I personally, would have had a hard time putting all that together for saving but doing it in small increments (almost like payments) made the whole thing much more doable for me. And honestly I made all that back in just one baby out of the same mare when she was 4 months old. If I continue to breed smart, they will help support my horse addiction and this filly's progress, lol, until she can start winning a little bit on her own. I plan to futurity at 5. Until then she will continue to be an expense. But isn't the purchase price the cheapest part anyway whether you are buying finished or not?

Holy smokes that cheap!  I always figure at least 500 to the vet!  And I don't usually get it less than 750-1000.  You get LUCKY if the mare takes on the first try because that can add up quick also!  We foal out at a vets office to which adds about another 1,000 on.  

Yes, it is cheaper to buy a young prospect, however we are just getting to the point of riding ours and I wouldn't change it!!  Best horses I have had on my place.  :

 
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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2014-10-17 12:13 PM
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RHRanch - 2014-10-17 11:10 AM

oija - 2014-10-17 11:56 AM I didn't spend $2500 on my two year old but I did $1000 on breeding fee, $250 for shipping. I think the vet cost me around $150 total. (He was awesome and my mare is fertile myrtle). So to get her on the ground was around $1500 up front. Then of course we had to feed the mare. She was on senior feed, about a bag a week ($22 a bag x 4 weeks=88 a month x 11 months=$968). I think we had some round bales at around $65-70 a bale. She and two other horses went through them in about 10-12 days. That's about 3 a month so it's like she ate one by herself a month ($65 x 11 months=$715). To get her on the ground then was approximately $3200. Then of course feeding her for two years. She was out on pasture with the mare at this point so very little in hay costs but we fed her Ulitum Growth. She'd go through a bag every couple weeks ($27 x 2=$54 a month x12=648). That got her through her yearling year when we switched her to Omelene 200 ($20 a bag x 12=$240). I did board her with me about six months at $150 which ended up being $900. So to get her to 2 was about $5000. Then I spend $850 a month plus another $100 for farrier for three months for training. $550 (providing feed) for her first 30 days. So to get her to broke $8500 or so. All that being said, I'm much happier I bred her. I know her personality from the ground up, her quirks, her problems. I don't have to search up some history on what might have happened to her. And I personally, would have had a hard time putting all that together for saving but doing it in small increments (almost like payments) made the whole thing much more doable for me. And honestly I made all that back in just one baby out of the same mare when she was 4 months old. If I continue to breed smart, they will help support my horse addiction and this filly's progress, lol, until she can start winning a little bit on her own. I plan to futurity at 5. Until then she will continue to be an expense. But isn't the purchase price the cheapest part anyway whether you are buying finished or not?

Holy smokes that cheap!  I always figure at least 500 to the vet!  And I don't usually get it less than 750-1000.  You get LUCKY if the mare takes on the first try because that can add up quick also!  We foal out at a vets office to which adds about another 1,000 on.  

Yes, it is cheaper to buy a young prospect, however we are just getting to the point of riding ours and I wouldn't change it!!  Best horses I have had on my place.  :

 

That mare takes first time every time. The most I've spent on vet is $300.
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ThreeCorners
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2014-10-17 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: Breeding to Futurity ready


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oija - 2014-10-17 10:56 AM I didn't spend $2500 on my two year old but I did $1000 on breeding fee, $250 for shipping. I think the vet cost me around $150 total. (He was awesome and my mare is fertile myrtle). So to get her on the ground was around $1500 up front. Then of course we had to feed the mare. She was on senior feed, about a bag a week ($22 a bag x 4 weeks=88 a month x 11 months=$968). I think we had some round bales at around $65-70 a bale. She and two other horses went through them in about 10-12 days. That's about 3 a month so it's like she ate one by herself a month ($65 x 11 months=$715). To get her on the ground then was approximately $3200. Then of course feeding her for two years. She was out on pasture with the mare at this point so very little in hay costs but we fed her Ulitum Growth. She'd go through a bag every couple weeks ($27 x 2=$54 a month x12=648). That got her through her yearling year when we switched her to Omelene 200 ($20 a bag x 12=$240). I did board her with me about six months at $150 which ended up being $900. So to get her to 2 was about $5000. Then I spend $850 a month plus another $100 for farrier for three months for training. $550 (providing feed) for her first 30 days. So to get her to broke $8500 or so. All that being said, I'm much happier I bred her. I know her personality from the ground up, her quirks, her problems. I don't have to search up some history on what might have happened to her. And I personally, would have had a hard time putting all that together for saving but doing it in small increments (almost like payments) made the whole thing much more doable for me. And honestly I made all that back in just one baby out of the same mare when she was 4 months old. If I continue to breed smart, they will help support my horse addiction and this filly's progress, lol, until she can start winning a little bit on her own. I plan to futurity at 5. Until then she will continue to be an expense. But isn't the purchase price the cheapest part anyway whether you are buying finished or not?

You forgot to add in ferrier every 6 weeks. Worming, and shots. Also, do you have the vet out for the foal? IGG tests and shots? Then we get to pray they dont get hurt or any emergency calls.  
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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2014-10-17 12:25 PM
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As a baby we didn't call the farrier out often and that mare doesn't get trimmed. Now before anyone jumps on me for this; she's a special circumstance. She has a broken neck and damage in her hind end. If you try to pick up her feet she can't balance her weight. She tends to drag one back toe. She broke it when she was literally a few days old, permanent damage. Even her ears sit funny and she has a big calcium growth where it happened. Her feet stay almost perfectly level (lucky me) so she just wonders around. Our farrier has been doing our babies for free if we schedule one of the riding horses at the same time. And yup, that $150 included the shot to make her ovulate. I did forget the vaccinations. They weren't horrible, maybe add another $200-$250.

ETA: Yes, forgot worming too. I actually worm that mare less frequently, about twice a year because she's stayed fecally clean. The baby I wormed as soon as she turned 6 months old and every 3-4 months after. Vet also says clean. That's probably another $20 every time.

ETA, yes again: no, we don't call the vet out. Our mares foal naturally in the pasture. If there's a problem we call them out. This was just her circumstance this one time, can give a snapshot.

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ThreeCorners
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2014-10-17 12:43 PM
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oija - 2014-10-17 12:25 PM As a baby we didn't call the farrier out often and that mare doesn't get trimmed. Now before anyone jumps on me for this; she's a special circumstance. She has a broken neck and damage in her hind end. If you try to pick up her feet she can't balance her weight. She tends to drag one back toe. She broke it when she was literally a few days old, permanent damage. Even her ears sit funny and she has a big calcium growth where it happened. Her feet stay almost perfectly level (lucky me) so she just wonders around. Our farrier has been doing our babies for free if we schedule one of the riding horses at the same time. And yup, that $150 included the shot to make her ovulate. I did forget the vaccinations. They weren't horrible, maybe add another $200-$250. ETA: Yes, forgot worming too. I actually worm that mare less frequently, about twice a year because she's stayed fecally clean. The baby I wormed as soon as she turned 6 months old and every 3-4 months after. Vet also says clean. That's probably another $20 every time. ETA, yes again: no, we don't call the vet out. Our mares foal naturally in the pasture. If there's a problem we call them out. This was just her circumstance this one time, can give a snapshot.

Your lucky! You get off way cheaper then most. Heck, we bred to FWOTR  last  year.We have $6500 already in that baby and we will get to meet him/her in may. LOL. After the stud fee, each shipment is $300. Our vet here charges $375 a cycle. Thats $675 a cycle. Then hauling @ $50 roughly. He's an hour and a half away so she had to stay there about 10 days per cycle @ $20.00 a day. Then regumate on top of that. We had to go 3 cycles. So it washed out about $1000 per cycle. 
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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
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ThreeCorners - 2014-10-17 12:43 PM

oija - 2014-10-17 12:25 PM As a baby we didn't call the farrier out often and that mare doesn't get trimmed. Now before anyone jumps on me for this; she's a special circumstance. She has a broken neck and damage in her hind end. If you try to pick up her feet she can't balance her weight. She tends to drag one back toe. She broke it when she was literally a few days old, permanent damage. Even her ears sit funny and she has a big calcium growth where it happened. Her feet stay almost perfectly level (lucky me) so she just wonders around. Our farrier has been doing our babies for free if we schedule one of the riding horses at the same time. And yup, that $150 included the shot to make her ovulate. I did forget the vaccinations. They weren't horrible, maybe add another $200-$250. ETA: Yes, forgot worming too. I actually worm that mare less frequently, about twice a year because she's stayed fecally clean. The baby I wormed as soon as she turned 6 months old and every 3-4 months after. Vet also says clean. That's probably another $20 every time. ETA, yes again: no, we don't call the vet out. Our mares foal naturally in the pasture. If there's a problem we call them out. This was just her circumstance this one time, can give a snapshot.

Your lucky! You get off way cheaper then most. Heck, we bred to FWOTR  last  year.We have $6500 already in that baby and we will get to meet him/her in may. LOL. After the stud fee, each shipment is $300. Our vet here charges $375 a cycle. Thats $675 a cycle. Then hauling @ $50 roughly. He's an hour and a half away so she had to stay there about 10 days per cycle @ $20.00 a day. Then regumate on top of that. We had to go 3 cycles. So it washed out about $1000 per cycle. 

Oh trust me, I know! But it's been exactly the same way 3x in a row now for breeding. I sold this last one by 4 months old. I'll be selling this next one too. It leads to a pretty decent profit.
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