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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nevertooold - 2014-11-07 12:01 PM It looks like it's rolling pretty well!
Boy I say, didnt take long for this ideal to really sink in, and nobody is being a butthead about it either.  | |
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Location: Mansfield, TX | I have been pondering this and thinking about it since yesterday. I understand the concept and LIKE it, but I do have a few reservations. Part of me is afraid it could actually backfire on selling a horse in a few situations. Please hear me out before flaming away, there is a soultion I just haven't been smart enough to come up with it yet. So everyone put your thinking hats on...
There is a small arena in my neck of the woods where the arena record is a 13.6,, alot of the pro's run there and that record has stood for years... A couple of years ago they added more dirt to make the ground safer and guess what? Now a smokin run in that pen is a 14.0 or 1...nothing else changed...the barrels are on the same stakes and the timers are in the same place,, but the times have been quite a bit slower. I personally saw a horse that is FLYING this year win the rodeo with a lower 14.2 or 3 the best I can remember...I remember saying to myself that the ground just wasn't as fast as it used to be. I think in the situation it might hurt it someone trying to sell their horse. In the past, arena's have usually always staked or lasered their pens according to their size, so this would be quite a departure from business as usual.
As all barrel racers will agree, the ground is the single most important factor in running barrels and something that all producers struggle with. I'm glad to see that Chuck Dunn is monitoring this thread. He is a ground guro and I value his opinion.
With that said, I'm certainly not opposed to trying something like this if I can get the arenas to re-laser their patterns according to the measurements that are agreed upon. That would have to be the deciding factor for Win$More. The lasers that are in place are so much more accurate (in my opinion) than using stakes. It's going to be an uphill battle for awhile, but it sounds like y'all are "up" for it. | |
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Location: Texas | Destry Fleming - 2014-11-07 7:01 PM
I have been pondering this and thinking about it since yesterday. I understand the concept and LIKE it, but I do have a few reservations. Part of me is afraid it could actually backfire on selling a horse in a few situations. Please hear me out before flaming away, there is a soultion I just haven't been smart enough to come up with it yet. So everyone put your thinking hats on...
There is a small arena in my neck of the woods where the arena record is a 13.6,, alot of the pro's run there and that record has stood for years... A couple of years ago they added more dirt to make the ground safer and guess what? Now a smokin run in that pen is a 14.0 or 1...nothing else changed...the barrels are on the same stakes and the timers are in the same place,, but the times have been quite a bit slower. I personally saw a horse that is FLYING this year win the rodeo with a lower 14.2 or 3 the best I can remember...I remember saying to myself that the ground just wasn't as fast as it used to be. I think in the situation it might hurt it someone trying to sell their horse. In the past, arena's have usually always staked or lasered their pens according to their size, so this would be quite a departure from business as usual.
As all barrel racers will agree, the ground is the single most important factor in running barrels and something that all producers struggle with. I'm glad to see that Chuck Dunn is monitoring this thread. He is a ground guro and I value his opinion.
With that said, I'm certainly not opposed to trying something like this if I can get the arenas to re-laser their patterns according to the measurements that are agreed upon. That would have to be the deciding factor for Win$More. The lasers that are in place are so much more accurate (in my opinion) than using stakes. It's going to be an uphill battle for awhile, but it sounds like y'all are "up" for it.
Well, I'm glad to see that it is on your mind, that means that the wheels are turning… I don't think that your concerns will cause any fires, lol. I think that most of us are willing to work together and try to compromise and come up with a system that can and will work for MOST venues and producers. That being said, I'd like to address some of your concerns.
As barrel racers we are all aware of the changes in ground conditions that can occur, even on a daily basis, such as at rodeos. We sometimes face those issues from one producer to the next when it comes to ground. Some like the ground a little deeper and some like it a little firmer. There will always be variables to consider. You mentioned a situation where a horse set a record and the ground was changed and so the times became a BIT slower… We have to remember that when we look at these results, we aren't just looking at one pen. Most people run their horses in a variety of venues so you will have an idea of what that horse averages on those patterns. Are they better in the small pens or the big pens? Some horses will kick your butt in a big pen but can't clock but a 3d time in a little pen. Well maybe the person that is looking to buy that horse runs mainly in the big pens… That horse would work great for them. And it gives people the ability to pinpoint what type of horse they are looking for.
And for us "Joe Blows" who just want to have fun with our horses (we make up the majority of barrel racers) it would give us some fun stuff to look at when we are competing at our local organizations. We can use these patterns and times to compare our runs with the rest of the country. And maybe it will give producers and rodeos committees some incentive to have better ground conditions when they begin to compare the runs at their event to other participating organizations. You will definitely have the option of opting out, but I don't know why you would want to. This sounds like a great opportunity to have some records set and broken at more than one of your productions. I'm sure that venues would be willing to move those lasers, if at all possible, to help out the barrel racing community. I for one, would love to see you hop on board! Thanks for the response, it is always good to hear opinions from those that share our passion for barrel racing!
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Location: Nebraska | doglady - 2014-11-06 8:51 PM I got the measurements from several arenas we go to that use laser markers. One is a 35ft score, 70 between 1st and 2nd and 100 to the 3rd. The other is a 40ft score, 80 between the 1st and 2nd and 90 to the 3rd.
I wonder how many other arenas use these same measurements.
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