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Location: Ky | smiley - 2014-11-26 12:39 PM
jd&ez - 2014-11-26 10:58 AM It's a scam pure and simple. If it wasn't a scam they would do a reading right when you call. Or better yet, they would call you since they know you want to talk to them.
They use the time from when you schedule the reading and the reading to gather information. They only have to get a little bit right since the person paying is wanting to believe anyway.
Houdini exposed the fakes almost 100 years ago when it comes to humans. When need an animal Houdini to out these fakers. Â
If you don't understand it, fine. If you don't believe in it, fine, but to say it's all a scam is ridiculous. Also, the Bible does not warn against it, in fact, it says to listen to the animals  :: Job 12:7-10New International Version (NIV ) 7 “But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
8 or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you.
9 Which of all these does not know
that the hand of the Lord has done this?
10 In his hand is the life of every creature
and the breath of all mankind. It was $25 a session when I did it and I've wasted more money on beer. I also bought a few books to read about it and try the exercises because I'm into learning new things. It was fun. I wouldn't bet my horse's health on it, but I also don't think I'm going to HedoubleLL over it.
Try it and if you like it, do it, if you don't, you learned you don't like it. Big whoop. Mary Argo is who I used twice, both times VERY accurate. I think Kay was the other I used and she was not accurate for me. That doesn't mean I think she's a fake, I think it means that was an off day or that she's just not as good as Mary. I don't need to put down what they do to feel better about myself.
I wasted more than that on many things, including beer. Although, is berr money ever a waste?
If it's not a scam then why won't they do a reading when you call them? Try it. Call one of them up right now and say you don't have time to call back or set an appointment. You want it now and will pay for it.
Just because we all waste money from time to time doesn't mean this is not a scam. PT Barnum had a saying for people that would fall this stuff. | |
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Location: Paradise , tx | GoGaited - 2014-11-26 2:31 AM Malarky. Also, the bible warns against this kind of thing.
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Location: In my own little world | My struggle before calling was also about my spiritual beliefs. But God gives us all things that we are good at and if we have those talents we use them. I am glad I called and I will do it again when the need arises. Animal communicators are another tool for those who choose to use it. And if you don't choose it to be a part of what you do then no harm is done for you. Vets don't always identify everything that is going on and when they can't, we search for other ways to find the answer. I would hate to let a "good" horse go if I had any doubt in my mind that this doesn't work. As far as spending the money, I can waste $25-30 at the Dollar Store and come home with nothing but junk. Or I could buy a latte every day of the week like many people do but that to me would also be a total waste of money. It was kind of fun to call and listen to what she said to be honest, plus pure curiosity. | |
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Location: So. California | I've used one and would do so in again in a heartbeat. It was the best $30 I ever spent, saved me an MRI bill and I have a sound horse again. 9 months, 2 vet clinics, multiple xrays/ultrasounds = nothing. One 30 minute call + one vet call = sound horse. AMAZING.... I truly believe, a real AC has a gift from God. | |
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Location: CA | Most of you do communicate with your critters. Most of you aren't aware that not everyone can do it. Most times when you do call an outsider it is to help validate what you already know. Just sayin.... | |
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Location: Centerburg, OH | I thought it was all b.s. Until I met one off my best friends eves 2 years ago. She is an energy healer. Best I can explain she feels pain in others and animals. Hes stories are amazing. Things she has told me about my animals is spot on. Even old injurys i have forgoten about.
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | T turning 3 - 2014-11-26 12:24 PM If you read 1 Cor. 12 you will see that yes we are given these gifts.
1 Corinthians Chapter 12
1 Now concerning spiritual [gifts], brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body [were] an eye, where [were] the hearing? If the whole [were] hearing, where [were] the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where [were] the body?
20 But now [are they] many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those [members] of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely [parts] have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely [parts] have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that [part] which lacked:
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but [that] the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 [Are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
verse 10, the discerning of spirits. What kind of spirits ya';'ll think he's talking about here?? Really? they are called "familiar spirits". and they are demons from Satan who will lie and twist the truth, give you just enough truth to hook you in...next thing you know, it's card readers and fortune tellers, and the Bible is REALLY specific on that! if it's supernatural, ya'll, and animal communication is most certainly supernatural....well, that comes from one of 2 sources, God or Satan, and I don't think God operates over the phone for a $125 fee. Just my very strong opinion. RUN, do not WALK away from animal communicators operating with familiar spirits. Please, it's not worth it to find out stuff maybe you ought not to know. Pray about it instead | |
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| This is why I don't think it's evil to use animal communicators- I am not wanting to know the future, i am trying to solve a problem in the present and the animal is a live being, not a spirit. | |
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Location: Paradise , tx | If you read 1 Cor. 12 you will see that yes we are given these gifts.
verse 10, the discerning of spirits. What kind of spirits ya';'ll think he's talking about here?? Really? they are called "familiar spirits". and they are demons from Satan who will lie and twist the truth, give you just enough truth to hook you in...next thing you know, it's card readers and fortune tellers, and the Bible is REALLY specific on that! if it's supernatural, ya'll, and animal communication is most certainly supernatural....well, that comes from one of 2 sources, God or Satan, and I don't think God operates over the phone for a $125 fee. Just my very strong opinion. RUN, do not WALK away from animal communicators operating with familiar spirits. Please, it's not worth it to find out stuff maybe you ought not to know. Pray about it instead
I agree with you.
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| I had a gelding that was not running up to his full potential. Had the vet out did not fix either. So i paid thinking that 30.00 maybe come up with something. Not really. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | T turning 3 - 2014-11-26 7:24 PM Most of you do communicate with your critters. Most of you aren't aware that not everyone can do it. Most times when you do call an outsider it is to help validate what you already know. Just sayin....
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | tulip - 2014-11-26 9:46 PM I thought it was all b.s. Until I met one off my best friends eves 2 years ago. She is an energy healer. Best I can explain she feels pain in others and animals. Hes stories are amazing. Things she has told me about my animals is spot on. Even old injurys i have forgoten about.
I bet she can't wear watches because they stop working. | |
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| My sister in law can't wear a watch because they quit working. She also drives sensitive horses crazy. Ed Wright was working with her and he looked over at my mom and said he bet she couldn't wear a watch because the batteries quit and mom said yes. He said she had great courage and balance but her energy could be overwhelming, lol. | |
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Location: Centerburg, OH | you are right about batteries. She cant keep her phone on herself at all. And her cutting horse is for sale. She is driving him nuts. He is a great horse. Fine for anyone else. | |
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| jd&ez - 2014-11-26 4:34 PM smiley - 2014-11-26 12:39 PM jd&ez - 2014-11-26 10:58 AM It's a scam pure and simple. If it wasn't a scam they would do a reading right when you call. Or better yet, they would call you since they know you want to talk to them.
They use the time from when you schedule the reading and the reading to gather information. They only have to get a little bit right since the person paying is wanting to believe anyway.
Houdini exposed the fakes almost 100 years ago when it comes to humans. When need an animal Houdini to out these fakers.
If you don't understand it, fine. If you don't believe in it, fine, but to say it's all a scam is ridiculous. Also, the Bible does not warn against it, in fact, it says to listen to the animals ::
Job 12:7-10New International Version (NIV )
7 “But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
8 or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you.
9 Which of all these does not know
that the hand of the Lord has done this?
10 In his hand is the life of every creature
and the breath of all mankind.
It was $25 a session when I did it and I've wasted more money on beer. I also bought a few books to read about it and try the exercises because I'm into learning new things. It was fun. I wouldn't bet my horse's health on it, but I also don't think I'm going to HedoubleLL over it.
Try it and if you like it, do it, if you don't, you learned you don't like it. Big whoop. Mary Argo is who I used twice, both times VERY accurate. I think Kay was the other I used and she was not accurate for me. That doesn't mean I think she's a fake, I think it means that was an off day or that she's just not as good as Mary. I don't need to put down what they do to feel better about myself. I wasted more than that on many things, including beer. Although, is berr money ever a waste? If it's not a scam then why won't they do a reading when you call them? Try it. Call one of them up right now and say you don't have time to call back or set an appointment. You want it now and will pay for it. Just because we all waste money from time to time doesn't mean this is not a scam. PT Barnum had a saying for people that would fall this stuff.
First, the communicator does not "see the future" but they can say for example "your horse hates barrels" or something similar (different poster than Jd&ez).
To Jd&ez, I agree, money is never truly wasted on alcohol - ha.
For me, all I had to tell the woman was a barn name and a brief description - bay mare + barn name. I get that you don't get it and don't want to waste your money and kudos to you. I did it first out of curiosity of all the posts on BHW, but then I did the others because it was fun. I typed while she talked and we still refer to those notes sometimes for a laugh on how accurate she was.
The only "hint" i can think of was telling her a pony's barn name was "oreo" and she said black white and fuzzy, right?
Well, yeah, but that one was kinda obvious, except the fuzzy........
It you want to believe it's a scam, there is almost nothing I could possibly tell you to make you believe otherwise. Give Mary a call, see how she works for you. You know what they say "if you can't win em over, join em"
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| CrossCreek - 2014-11-26 10:40 PM T turning 3 - 2014-11-26 12:24 PM If you read 1 Cor. 12 you will see that yes we are given these gifts.
1 Corinthians Chapter 12
1 Now concerning spiritual [gifts], brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body [were] an eye, where [were] the hearing? If the whole [were] hearing, where [were] the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where [were] the body?
20 But now [are they] many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those [members] of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely [parts] have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely [parts] have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that [part] which lacked:
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but [that] the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 [Are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
These are NOT communications through "familiar spirits" which are TOTALLY different than communicating with your own animal. A "familiar" is a whole different ball of wax and always has been. I have NEVER heard someone say that this is how it's done and it's not how it's done.............. | |
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Location: CA | I understand how you choose which side of the fence you are on regarding these things. I would never try and talk someone into beleiving something they don't want to or feel is wrong.
I will say that education can dispell fear. I was so "afraid" of such things. But then I realize that nothing is stronger that God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. So I researched it. I have found I know many people that are animal communictors, they are one with their horses, and they work as a team. Is it all training? I really don't think so. There are people that see spirit, my son is one of them. Is it evil? He surely didn't ask for it. He isn't afraid, and kind of shruggs it off. I know people that feel other's pain and illnesses. I don't think that makes them bad, and this is what the animal communicators do. I know people that can feel other peoples emotions, they have amazing BS dectectors.
All these things are a form of reading Emotional Energy. All emotions have an energy signature. Including those emotions of people that have passed. This is how "mediums" read spirit, by the emotions they exihibit.
I have been studying this for years, and it is rather scientific. This emotional energy can been seen in Kirilian photography and measured. I have seen first had the transfer of energy to heal using this method.
Just putting it out there.
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| T turning 3 - 2014-11-28 11:49 AM
I understand how you choose which side of the fence you are on regarding these things. I would never try and talk someone into beleiving something they don't want to or feel is wrong. Â
I will say that education can dispell fear. I was so "afraid" of such things. But then I realize that nothing is stronger that God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. So I researched it. I have found I know many people that are animal communictors, they are one with their horses, and they work as a team. Is it all training? I really don't think so. There are people that see spirit, my son is one of them. Is it evil? He surely didn't ask for it. He isn't afraid, and kind of shruggs it off. I know people that feel other's pain and illnesses. I don't think that makes them bad, and this is what the animal communicators do. I know people that can feel other peoples emotions, they have amazing BS dectectors.Â
All these things are a form of reading Emotional Energy. All emotions have an energy signature. Including those emotions of people that have passed.  This is how "mediums" read spirit, by the emotions they exihibit.Â
I have been studying this for years, and it is rather scientific. This emotional energy can been seen in Kirilian photography and measured. I have seen first had the transfer of energy to heal using this method.Â
Just putting it out there.
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