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Location: Way up North | I have two grandget, full siblings, so take MO with a grain of salt but so far I really like them. The two year is a filly and the yearling is a gelding.
The filly is much more feely and sensitive than the gelding but she isn't overreactive or 'hot', the colt is just going to be the type to handle more pounding than the filly but I have found that is generally the case with geldings vs. mares. Both are very inquisitive and like to be be worked.
I opted to send the 2 yr old out to be started and the trainer had nothing but good things to report. She has a big motor and likes to go but she isn't real fractious or ramrodish (not that that is a word). She is going to take a bit for me to get used to because the horse I am running right now is a bit of deadhead gelding but I really like her so far. She wants to go places but she is still really ratey which I like in a horse and she is sooo smooth. She will be the type I will have to watch for ulcers because she is more sensitive and will probably stress but she has handled the little hauling she has had so far well.
As far as growth, the filly has been a pretty fast grower, tall and on the willowy side right now but not bad but the colt is going to be shorter and he is pretty thick with a ton of bone to him. He looks like a little rope pony and she looks more racey. I don't feed mine up like a lot of people do and they are on fulltime turnout, a big hilly pasture in summer and paddock all winter so I am not sure how that will factor into long term soundness but I am hoping it is positive. They aren't babied and living in the frozen tundra that have to learn to deal with the elements and be pretty sure footed.
We futurity five and under up here and I will probably hold them over till 5 just because I can. I have no indoor to ride in during the winter so waiting will give me extra time to get them ready as well as letting them benefit from breaks to mature and get stronger. These are my first race breds and I would gladly take more! I have always rode the cowhorse/cutter reject types and really like them but I think these two are going to be what I need to step up.
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | I will weigh in on my first ever DTF grandson out of a HOT cutter bred mare. I bred and raised him, turned out as much as possible since he was born. He is 2 years old, wears an O shoe, and stands at 15.1 hands so far. (knees haven't closed so I am not sure how big he will get). So do they get big....check. Lameness....not enough data on this guy yet as he is 2, and I don't use my 2 year olds hard. They get 30 days and turned out, ask me next summer. :) Temperament....KIND. My 78 year old dad started this colt for me this fall. Told me to send him down because "he is gentle as a dog, let me break him". Pic below is my bro-in-law putting the first ride on him. Don't worry, we took care of my dad. :)
Never bucked and never offered but when let out to play this guy will PLAY. Runs hard and rolls back on the fence, kind of spooked my dad...after he witnessed Dually playing this hard he called my bro-in-law to get on him just in case. And once again this colt never offered to buck or run off with him. Anxious for spring to come so I can get back on him and see how things will go.
Take my info with a grain of salt since I don't have any other DTF's to compare it with. Just thought I would put it in the mix.
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Location: Texas | Can I just throw it out there that all of our 1D horses have/have had an issue of their own as well? And none of them are Dash Ta Fames. Honestly, when they are running that hard, something is going to hurt at some point.
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Location: Desert Land | This thread is cracking me up. "My friend had one once..." lol
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| Obviously they have dominated at the barrel races......my reason I have owned several, all OWN sons and daughters. I can tell you these have all had top feed programs, lots of pasture turnout, frequent dental care, frequent worming, good shoers, and the same daily exercise as dozens more that I have rode with other bloodlines. I'm not trying to bash them. I just told the truth. The majority of them have stifle issues......some have ligaments too loose, some too tight. I'm not at liberty to name names but some of the biggest, winningest trainers out there treat every one of them for EPM. It is commonly believed they have weak immune systems. I'm just saying from my own experience they have been walking vet bills, big vet bills, and I will not buy another one. I am steering clear of that bloodline. I hope the grandget don't have all the issues I have seen in the own sons and daughters but time will tell. I will say all of mine have had hearts larger than life. They will never quit trying, even when they are hurting, which makes it hard to tell when they ARE hurting.
I don't know who RodeoMom is on here, but I believe she knows what she is talking about. I also believe they are predisposed to the hind end problems due to their conformation. One of mine that had the most problems had 3 stifle surgeries (split ligaments) as a 4 yr old, had to be long trotted 3-4 miles every day and/or go to the aquatred to keep his hind end conditioned enough to be able to use him.
A question I have for everyone, how many have you seen compete consistently that are over 10 yrs old? | |
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| quickdraw - 2014-12-09 11:15 AM
Obviously they have dominated at the barrel races......my reason I have owned several, all OWN sons and daughters. I can tell you these have all had top feed programs, lots of pasture turnout, frequent dental care, frequent worming, good shoers, and the same daily exercise as dozens more that I have rode with other bloodlines. I'm not trying to bash them. I just told the truth. The majority of them have stifle issues......some have ligaments too loose, some too tight. I'm not at liberty to name names but some of the biggest, winningest trainers out there treat every one of them for EPM. It is commonly believed they have weak immune systems. I'm just saying from my own experience they have been walking vet bills, big vet bills, and I will not buy another one. I am steering clear of that bloodline. I hope the grandget don't have all the issues I have seen in the own sons and daughters but time will tell. I will say all of mine have had hearts larger than life. They will never quit trying, even when they are hurting, which makes it hard to tell when they ARE hurting.
I don't know who RodeoMom is on here, but I believe she knows what she is talking about. I also believe they are predisposed to the hind end problems due to their conformation. One of mine that had the most problems had 3 stifle surgeries (split ligaments) as a 4 yr old, had to be long trotted 3-4 miles every day and/or go to the aquatred to keep his hind end conditioned enough to be able to use him.
A question I have for everyone, how many have you seen compete consistently that are over 10 yrs old?
How could they be geneticly more likely to get epm that doesn't even make sense | |
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Location: Desert Land | quickdraw - 2014-12-08 11:15 AM ..... A question I have for everyone, how many have you seen compete consistently that are over 10 yrs old?
Too many to count!!!
One is currently at the NFR that was ran at the track, ran as a futurity horse, an open horse and now this year as a prorodeo horse went to 67 rodeos to qualify for the NFR. If that doesn't scream tough, sound, gritty horse I don't know what does.
There are quite a few that have been race horses, futurity, derby, open, rodeo horses and stayed sound. That lifestyle is grueling on ANY bloodline. | |
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| I have a coming two year old stud colt that is the smartest, most laid back guy. I do think his bottom side helps a lot with these attributes as well--it takes two. He is definitely going to be a big boy, but I am just tickled to get him going. You show him something once, and consider it learned. I can see how in the wrong hands this could also be detrimental, and I can see how it would be easy to push them too much too soon.
I'm lucky that I am not on any sort of time frame to rush him and I pray he has none of these issues people mentioned as we start hauling. He is/will be an athlete, and with that, issues will arise. At the end of the day either way, I will still have an awesome stud that I am tickled pink about.
I enjoyed reading this post to increase my awareness for potential issues. | |
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Location: Texas | quickdraw - 2014-12-08 1:15 PM
Obviously they have dominated at the barrel races......my reason I have owned several, all OWN sons and daughters. I can tell you these have all had top feed programs, lots of pasture turnout, frequent dental care, frequent worming, good shoers, and the same daily exercise as dozens more that I have rode with other bloodlines. I'm not trying to bash them. I just told the truth. The majority of them have stifle issues......some have ligaments too loose, some too tight. I'm not at liberty to name names but some of the biggest, winningest trainers out there treat every one of them for EPM. It is commonly believed they have weak immune systems. I'm just saying from my own experience they have been walking vet bills, big vet bills, and I will not buy another one. I am steering clear of that bloodline. I hope the grandget don't have all the issues I have seen in the own sons and daughters but time will tell. I will say all of mine have had hearts larger than life. They will never quit trying, even when they are hurting, which makes it hard to tell when they ARE hurting.
I don't know who RodeoMom is on here, but I believe she knows what she is talking about. I also believe they are predisposed to the hind end problems due to their conformation. One of mine that had the most problems had 3 stifle surgeries (split ligaments) as a 4 yr old, had to be long trotted 3-4 miles every day and/or go to the aquatred to keep his hind end conditioned enough to be able to use him.
A question I have for everyone, how many have you seen compete consistently that are over 10 yrs old?
I have heard that about futurity trainers but I was told they treat every single horse that comes to their property, not just DTFs. | |
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Location: Online | TheOldGrayMare - 2014-12-08 12:43 PM quickdraw - 2014-12-08 11:15 AM ..... A question I have for everyone, how many have you seen compete consistently that are over 10 yrs old? Too many to count!!!
One is currently at the NFR that was ran at the track, ran as a futurity horse, an open horse and now this year as a prorodeo horse went to 67 rodeos to qualify for the NFR. If that doesn't scream tough, sound, gritty horse I don't know what does.
There are quite a few that have been race horses, futurity, derby, open, rodeo horses and stayed sound. That lifestyle is grueling on ANY bloodline.
Which horse is at the NFR that's over 10 and a DTF?
Law of averages.... There are probably nearly 1000 DTF barrel horses. What percentage of those horses are consistently running year after year?
I would take a horse bred like Stingray or Louie or Cowboy any day over a Dash ta Fame. They are durable and gritty.
It would be interesting to see if someone actually had a DTF that they went slow with, did not futurity. Waited for them to grow physically and not push until they were ready. I wonder if it would have the same soundness issues. Just a thought. | |
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| rodeomom13 - 2014-12-08 2:25 PM
TheOldGrayMare - 2014-12-08 12:43 PM quickdraw - 2014-12-08 11:15 AM ..... A question I have for everyone, how many have you seen compete consistently that are over 10 yrs old? Too many to count!!!
One is currently at the NFR that was ran at the track, ran as a futurity horse, an open horse and now this year as a prorodeo horse went to 67 rodeos to qualify for the NFR. If that doesn't scream tough, sound, gritty horse I don't know what does.
There are quite a few that have been race horses, futurity, derby, open, rodeo horses and stayed sound. That lifestyle is grueling on ANY bloodline.
Law of averages.... There are probably nearly 1000 DTF barrel horses. What percentage of those horses are consistently running year after year?
I would take a horse bred like Stingray or Louie or Cowboy any day over a Dash ta Fame. They are durable and gritty.
It would be interesting to see if someone actually had a DTF that they went slow with, did not futurity. Waited for them to grow physically and not push until they were ready. I wonder if it would have the same soundness issues. Just a thought.
Kassidy Dennison's Eagle is an own get of DTF ... I think he's close to 10 right?? Or did I mess that one up?
JMO - but it takes 2 to make the foal. Don't forget that the mare will and can pass her mind/ attitude/ etc on to the foal as well.... it's not just the stud that creates these babies :) | |
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| lindseylou2290 - 2014-12-08 2:41 PM rodeomom13 - 2014-12-08 2:25 PM TheOldGrayMare - 2014-12-08 12:43 PM quickdraw - 2014-12-08 11:15 AM ..... A question I have for everyone, how many have you seen compete consistently that are over 10 yrs old? Too many to count!!!
One is currently at the NFR that was ran at the track, ran as a futurity horse, an open horse and now this year as a prorodeo horse went to 67 rodeos to qualify for the NFR. If that doesn't scream tough, sound, gritty horse I don't know what does.
There are quite a few that have been race horses, futurity, derby, open, rodeo horses and stayed sound. That lifestyle is grueling on ANY bloodline.
Law of averages.... There are probably nearly 1000 DTF barrel horses. What percentage of those horses are consistently running year after year?
I would take a horse bred like Stingray or Louie or Cowboy any day over a Dash ta Fame. They are durable and gritty.
It would be interesting to see if someone actually had a DTF that they went slow with, did not futurity. Waited for them to grow physically and not push until they were ready. I wonder if it would have the same soundness issues. Just a thought. Kassidy Dennison's Eagle is an own get of DTF ... I think he's close to 10 right?? Or did I mess that one up? JMO - but it takes 2 to make the foal. Don't forget that the mare will and can pass her mind/ attitude/ etc on to the foal as well.... it's not just the stud that creates these babies : )
Eagle is 9 started 2 races. I dont know if he ran any futurities. | |
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| But Tommy, Brittneys back up horse is 12 and he had 9 starts. | |
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| Whiteboy - 2014-12-08 2:48 PM
But Tommy, Brittneys back up horse is 12 and he had 9 starts.
There we go! I forgot about him! :) | |
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Location: Wearing a winter coat...... | Mine are grand get so take that with a grain of salt but out of my 3- one is solid and no issues. The other- OCD issues in his rear fetlock and we treated for EPM. Ironically, the EPM statement I have heard MANY times as well. The 3rd is only a weanling so time will tell. I bred all of these but the first (and only one with issues) was boarded so I was not in control of his feeding and care until he was 2. That is part of his issues. I have X-rayed both older colts because of the OCD issues with my first. No issues with the second at all. I love mine. Their mother is a horse I have owned for 11 years and is quiet as a church mouse.....so are all of them. Dams are the most overlooked thing.....even in DTF. Love all of mine and I don't blame soundness on the DTF lines. | |
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Location: Desert Land | Whiteboy - 2014-12-08 12:44 PM lindseylou2290 - 2014-12-08 2:41 PM rodeomom13 - 2014-12-08 2:25 PM TheOldGrayMare - 2014-12-08 12:43 PM quickdraw - 2014-12-08 11:15 AM ..... A question I have for everyone, how many have you seen compete consistently that are over 10 yrs old? Too many to count!!!
One is currently at the NFR that was ran at the track, ran as a futurity horse, an open horse and now this year as a prorodeo horse went to 67 rodeos to qualify for the NFR. If that doesn't scream tough, sound, gritty horse I don't know what does.
There are quite a few that have been race horses, futurity, derby, open, rodeo horses and stayed sound. That lifestyle is grueling on ANY bloodline.
Law of averages.... There are probably nearly 1000 DTF barrel horses. What percentage of those horses are consistently running year after year?
I would take a horse bred like Stingray or Louie or Cowboy any day over a Dash ta Fame. They are durable and gritty.
It would be interesting to see if someone actually had a DTF that they went slow with, did not futurity. Waited for them to grow physically and not push until they were ready. I wonder if it would have the same soundness issues. Just a thought. Kassidy Dennison's Eagle is an own get of DTF ... I think he's close to 10 right?? Or did I mess that one up? JMO - but it takes 2 to make the foal. Don't forget that the mare will and can pass her mind/ attitude/ etc on to the foal as well.... it's not just the stud that creates these babies : )
Opps...sorry only 9.
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