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Location: South TEXAS | i think my mare is possibly bleeding. I've had a full lameness exam and she passed with flying colors, but she is just not firing/clocking like she had been against the same horses and her making the same type of runs.
I plan to have her scoped but wanted to try Lasix first.
so my question is..... does it take a few runs for the horse to realize they are not bleeding and allow them to clock better or do they typically fire better on the first run with Lasix.
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| I think it takes a couple of runs. I would suggest also seeing if she has ulcers. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | I would have her scoped first. Just running on Lasix could make her worse if she actually is bleeding. If the scope shows bleeding, she will most likely need antibiotics and a little time off for her lungs to heal. And yes, it took a few runs before my horse was completely back to himself after bleeding. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | JLBerry - 2014-12-11 10:36 AM I would have her scoped first. Just running on Lasix could make her worse if she actually is bleeding. If the scope shows bleeding, she will most likely need antibiotics and a little time off for her lungs to heal. And yes, it took a few runs before my horse was completely back to himself after bleeding.
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Location: Piedmont, OK | They generally need at least 3 weeks or more off after bleeding in addition to a week of antibiotics.
When mine bleed He had 3 weeks off, a week of Antibiotics, and I put him on the loading dose of Animal Element's Immune Formula. And I have kept him on the Immune ever since, it helps to heal the damaged tissue. |
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Location: Great Places Great Faces | I don't know the technical term for when they put fluid into the lungs and then suck it back out but it's much more effective in judging the severity of a bleeder then scoping... It took two runs for my mare to return to normal as she was being nasty at the gate prior to lasix's. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | JLBerry - 2014-12-10 9:36 AM I would have her scoped first. Just running on Lasix could make her worse if she actually is bleeding. If the scope shows bleeding, she will most likely need antibiotics and a little time off for her lungs to heal. And yes, it took a few runs before my horse was completely back to himself after bleeding.
This for sure I gave mine 6 weeks off and had them on THE Pulmon-EZ. Worked wonders and came back awesome. |
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Location: South TEXAS | thank you very much |
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| starkfarms - 2014-12-10 11:24 AM
i think my mare is possibly bleeding. I've had a full lameness exam and she passed with flying colors, but she is just not firing/clocking like she had been against the same horses and her making the same type of runs.
I plan to have her scoped but wanted to try Lasix first.
so my question is..... does it take a few runs for the horse to realize they are not bleeding and allow them to clock better or do they typically fire better on the first run with Lasix.
thanks in advance
Why do you want to treat the horse without finding the know cause.
This makes no sense
Lasix had risks and shouldn't be given without a reason and definately shouldn't be given without a vets supervision.
If you suspected something wrong with your child possible heart or kidney failure, would you give Lasix before taking them to the doc?
This is irresponsible horse ownership to me |
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| You might also have blood drawn along with scoping and checking for ulcers. If I suspect ulcers I just go ahead and treat.
Why do you think she's bleeding? Does she cough after a run? Having trouble breathing? Or is she just not firing? How is her body condition? Any feed changes? Is she still in as good of physical condition as she was when she was clocking? Those are just some other things to consider. |
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Location: South Central Florida | To Nswer the question, ours clocked first run with lasix. BUT sha had been off 3 weeks since her last bleed. Honestly the last horse we had bleed, the vet just prescribed the lasix with out a scope. He didnt have one and closest was a 3 hour drive. We did 3 weeks with rest, tucoprim and Ventipulman. Then started the lasix...per vet. I think it probably depends on how bad the bleeding is, how.fit the horse is, if there is any old blood in the lungs. Lots of options. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | I have had a few bleeders. They ran hard their next trips out on the track with Lasix. But if it is ulcers contact me for "omeprazole Research" |
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Location: South TEXAS | thanks for the replies.
she has been treated for ulcers in past and I'm pretty sure that's not the problem this time. she is fit(vet said she looked outstanding) and no feed changes since putting her on Renew Gold in January. and she is sound. exercised 5 days/week.
she just started balking a little going toward the gate(weird for her because she craves running) and quits firing by the 2nd barrel. No coughing, but she does seem more winded and not cooling out as quickly. I use Flair strips as well. When she had ulcers she was still clocking 1d and never balked at gate.
I do plan to have her scoped, how long after a run do you have to get them to vet for the scope? |
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Location: Bandera, TX | If you can get some colloidal silver and give her nebulizer treatments daily for the first week post bleed. Then every other day. Then every 2-3 days depending on the quality of mucous. About 2 hours before you ride give the horse a treatment and add albuterol if you can get some from your local pharmacy. Your vet will need to give you a script. Keep the horse in high air quality and steam your hay if possible. If you haul with shavings reconsider or make darn sure they are damp. I really like using the strips during runs so you've got that going for you. |
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| starkfarms - 2014-12-10 11:24 AM
i think my mare is possibly bleeding. I've had a full lameness exam and she passed with flying colors, but she is just not firing/clocking like she had been against the same horses and her making the same type of runs.
I plan to have her scoped but wanted to try Lasix first.
so my question is..... does it take a few runs for the horse to realize they are not bleeding and allow them to clock better or do they typically fire better on the first run with Lasix.
thanks in advance
I have a severe bleeder (will cough up blood without lasix/kentucky red)
I would scope if you can find a vet in your area - it cost me about $200 or so to have it done
If he is bleeding I would give him 4-6 weeks off with antibiotics the first week, the tissue and capillaries in the lungs/airway need to heal - if he has had a recent bleed he is more likely to bleed again if everything isnt healed
Once you get him healed and lungs cleared then leg him back up and give him 2-3 weeks to get back in shape and start lightly running him, My vet told me to start with 5cc 3 hours out and adjust as needed, my horse will bleed through lasix so I have to do kentucky red 4 hours out and lasix 3-4 hours out, I also run on air power and give him electrolytes 1 hour before I run
This being said - I wouldnt lasix unless you confirm he is a bleeder - lasix can be hard on them and I wouldnt want to put a non-bleeder through that - get another opinion from a different vet if needed - my bleeder started balking so I thought maybe he was bleeding internally - turns out he fractured a splint bone - wasnt obvious lame and would go in and work just not as hard
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