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Location: on my horse | Three 4 Luck - 2014-12-14 12:49 PM
bennie1 - 2014-12-13 6:11 PM Done correctly, bitting one up or tieing one around is not cruel. Note DONE CORRECTLY
Not many do it correctly.
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | Lower six ( first premolar) ramps can cause rooting or pushing on your hands.
The reason is simple, when they get ramps, it does not allow the lower jaw to slide back as it is designed to during collections or stopping. Thus causing the horse to push his head down for comfort.
When you say colt? How old?
Your two and a half to three year olds may have caps that are retained as well, or, the lower six permanent tooth may have came in ahead of the upper six ( which is generally the case) and as stated before, caused ramping.
Before you start bitting, tying heads, ect, have a good equine dental provider look at him or a good vet.
Edited by Canchasr1 2014-12-15 9:50 AM
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Location: TN | I'm calling him a colt because he knows about as much as a 2 year old lol. He is actually 6 years old - we got him earlier this year - before that he was barely halter broken and only handled 2-3 times a year for feet trimming. He was in kind of a hoarder sitation. He's come a LONG way since then and is a sweetheart. I had his teeth done in early November by an equine dentist but I plan to take him to my vet in March and I'll have them checked again then.
I noticed yesterday that the left side of his jaw has an odd bump/calcification - maybe an old injury (feels like a bone chip that healed?). Maybe that explains why he still drops his feed some and roots down on the bit.
Another update! Last night when I rode him and I trotted him on a loose rein with no contact on the bit he rooted down a lot (3/4 of the way around the arena perimeter), but when I picked up the reins with both hands and rode with light contact (for the last 1/4 of the perimeter) he didn't root at all. I just tried it out of frustration and it worked! Now the question is why does he push against it when the reins are loose but respects it when I have light contact??? He doesn't root down at all when walking or loping, just trotting on a loose rein.
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| KatieMac88 - 2014-12-15 11:41 AM
I'm calling him a colt because he knows about as much as a 2 year old lol. He is actually 6 years old - we got him earlier this year - before that he was barely halter broken and only handled 2-3 times a year for feet trimming. He was in kind of a hoarder sitation. He's come a LONG way since then and is a sweetheart. I had his teeth done in early November by an equine dentist but I plan to take him to my vet in March and I'll have them checked again then.
I noticed yesterday that the left side of his jaw has an odd bump/calcification - maybe an old injury (feels like a bone chip that healed?). Maybe that explains why he still drops his feed some and roots down on the bit. Another update! Last night when I rode him and I trotted him on a loose rein with no contact on the bit he rooted down a lot (3/4 of the way around the arena perimeter), but when I picked up the reins with both hands and rode with light contact (for the last 1/4 of the perimeter) he didn't root at all. I just tried it out of frustration and it worked! Now the question is why does he push against it when the reins are loose but respects it when I have light contact??? He doesn't root down at all when walking or loping, just trotting on a loose rein.
I think he's ahead of the game. By this post I would assume that he has accepted the bit and is searching for contact. I like my horses searching for contact, not resisting but wanting to feel light contact. Remember collection comes from behind. Once a horse has accepted and searches for contact you've won half the battle of getting one to properly round out its back and collect. Now if he pulls on you when you have contact with his mouth then you need to go back to basics until he accepts and respects the bit. |
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| FlyingJT - 2014-12-15 12:06 PM KatieMac88 - 2014-12-15 11:41 AM I'm calling him a colt because he knows about as much as a 2 year old lol. He is actually 6 years old - we got him earlier this year - before that he was barely halter broken and only handled 2-3 times a year for feet trimming. He was in kind of a hoarder sitation. He's come a LONG way since then and is a sweetheart. I had his teeth done in early November by an equine dentist but I plan to take him to my vet in March and I'll have them checked again then.
I noticed yesterday that the left side of his jaw has an odd bump/calcification - maybe an old injury (feels like a bone chip that healed?). Maybe that explains why he still drops his feed some and roots down on the bit.
Another update! Last night when I rode him and I trotted him on a loose rein with no contact on the bit he rooted down a lot (3/4 of the way around the arena perimeter), but when I picked up the reins with both hands and rode with light contact (for the last 1/4 of the perimeter) he didn't root at all. I just tried it out of frustration and it worked! Now the question is why does he push against it when the reins are loose but respects it when I have light contact??? He doesn't root down at all when walking or loping, just trotting on a loose rein.
I think he's ahead of the game. By this post I would assume that he has accepted the bit and is searching for contact. I like my horses searching for contact, not resisting but wanting to feel light contact. Remember collection comes from behind. Once a horse has accepted and searches for contact you've won half the battle of getting one to properly round out its back and collect. Now if he pulls on you when you have contact with his mouth then you need to go back to basics until he accepts and respects the bit.
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Location: TN | lindseylou2290 - 2014-12-15 12:08 PM FlyingJT - 2014-12-15 12:06 PM KatieMac88 - 2014-12-15 11:41 AM I'm calling him a colt because he knows about as much as a 2 year old lol. He is actually 6 years old - we got him earlier this year - before that he was barely halter broken and only handled 2-3 times a year for feet trimming. He was in kind of a hoarder sitation. He's come a LONG way since then and is a sweetheart. I had his teeth done in early November by an equine dentist but I plan to take him to my vet in March and I'll have them checked again then.
I noticed yesterday that the left side of his jaw has an odd bump/calcification - maybe an old injury (feels like a bone chip that healed?). Maybe that explains why he still drops his feed some and roots down on the bit.
Another update! Last night when I rode him and I trotted him on a loose rein with no contact on the bit he rooted down a lot (3/4 of the way around the arena perimeter), but when I picked up the reins with both hands and rode with light contact (for the last 1/4 of the perimeter) he didn't root at all. I just tried it out of frustration and it worked! Now the question is why does he push against it when the reins are loose but respects it when I have light contact??? He doesn't root down at all when walking or loping, just trotting on a loose rein.
I think he's ahead of the game. By this post I would assume that he has accepted the bit and is searching for contact. I like my horses searching for contact, not resisting but wanting to feel light contact. Remember collection comes from behind. Once a horse has accepted and searches for contact you've won half the battle of getting one to properly round out its back and collect. Now if he pulls on you when you have contact with his mouth then you need to go back to basics until he accepts and respects the bit.
Wooohoooo! This makes my day! Thank you! That explains a lot. My finished horse has always struggled with collection so I'm not used to one searching for that contact. I like it! |
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