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Location: Phoenix | Why did you inject the SI? What symptoms was your horse showing? Did it help? How did you diagnose?
I know my horse has arthritic hocks, but he's also taken a couple of spills where he's landed on his side. He is prone to dragging his back legs, having a "hitch" in his lope, and overal being very lazy at the lope and acting like its a chore. He is irritated coming down from a high lope and using his back end.
Ill be be taking him to a vet within the next couple of months to diagnose, but just wanted to hear about YOUR personal experience with injecting the SI. |
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Location: Texas | https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2856351344956&set=vb.1744797093&type=3&theater
I hope this video works.
a year and a half after the fall, we kept thinking it was just hocks, finally vet started digging deeper into what was causing the problems. She kept suggesting a fall and I said the only one was a year and a half ago, showed her the video and she knew right away that's what caused it. just sad I couldn't have fixed it when it happened. With him the problems very slowly got worse.
Were hoping the SI injections are a one time thing.
This is how he was running going from 1D to this and not running.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BaXOVF3jwE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I81846OLOxc
This was a good run but you can still see somethings off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_25Qal3Azxg
This was his first run back.. After SI injections, hock injections and previcox(due to arthritis), and chiropractic work. Bummed about the barrel, BUT you can tell how well he was working with his back end. He hadn't even come close to his first or 3rd barrels the 4 runs before we got si injected and took time off. He would have placed in the 2D with this run and still plenty of room to take that 1/2 second off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptjH4mLDHQs&feature=youtu.be |
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Location: Phoenix | Thanks for sharing! You can definitely see him using his butt on that last video. I'm a little mad I didn't dig deeper when my horse was in Oklahoma....I've always suspected stifles or the SI....*especially* since he's had a leg slip out from under him and fall on his side 3 different times.
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Location: Sapulpa, OK | SI are hard to diagnose, as a lot of times the symtoms are mistaken for hocks or stifles, but I can say after many trips to the vet & FINALLY figuring out it was SI's
the difference was AMAZING!!! Well worth the effort & made a world of difference in the way my horse feels & runs!! |
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| Would the not wanting to turn the first barrel only be a sign of SI problems? |
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Location: Beggs, OK | SI injections made mine worse, because he actually had EPM. |
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Location: Phoenix | See I don't think its EPM because he's in good body shape, and has alot of energy outside the arena. He's not 3 legged lame...just not totally 100% comfortable. Still sound enough to run and drag his ass when we rope and get me to where I need to be. But something is bothering him a bit. He is still in a good mood and alert and happy to see me. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | The body condition issue generally comes later. The very first things that I felt with mine was slipping, sore right stifle, dragging toes in the rear end, wanting to drop down to a trot instead of holding a lope...
I have a butterball fat 3 year old that tested with the highest numbers the vet had ever seen...and he's not showing any sort of physical symptoms either. His are entirely mental/sensory. He was horrible to be around on the ground and super spooky, but great when you're riding him. Now that he's been treated all the nonsense on the ground is gone.
I'm not saying that it's EPM...I'm just saying don't rule it out and waste time when you could fix it easily and not end up with a horse that can't recover fully. EPM does not come on quickly...it's very subtle in the beginning. Injections will only make it worse. |
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Location: Kansas | hammer_time - 2015-01-12 11:14 PM Why did you inject the SI? What symptoms was your horse showing? Did it help? How did you diagnose?
I know my horse has arthritic hocks, but he's also taken a couple of spills where he's landed on his side. He is prone to dragging his back legs, having a "hitch" in his lope, and overal being very lazy at the lope and acting like its a chore. He is irritated coming down from a high lope and using his back end.
Ill be be taking him to a vet within the next couple of months to diagnose, but just wanted to hear about YOUR personal experience with injecting the SI.
My gray, Chance, had his SI injected the end of March 2014. My youtube channel (jokerscowgirl or search for barrel racing, Harlans Dash) has a ton of videos before and after the injections. His SI soreness wasn't the only problem we were dealing with, and I didn't completely get him back until we injected coffin joints in early May 2014, but you can see a difference between the March 15 video and the Bonus Race Finals Open video on April 11th or 12th.
He was not powering out of his turns before the SI injections and he just basically wasn't clocking well at all. |
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Location: The barn...where else? SW Missouri | rachellyn80 - 2015-01-13 10:37 AM The body condition issue generally comes later. The very first things that I felt with mine was slipping, sore right stifle, dragging toes in the rear end, wanting to drop down to a trot instead of holding a lope...
I have a butterball fat 3 year old that tested with the highest numbers the vet had ever seen...and he's not showing any sort of physical symptoms either. His are entirely mental/sensory. He was horrible to be around on the ground and super spooky, but great when you're riding him. Now that he's been treated all the nonsense on the ground is gone.
I'm not saying that it's EPM...I'm just saying don't rule it out and waste time when you could fix it easily and not end up with a horse that can't recover fully. EPM does not come on quickly...it's very subtle in the beginning. Injections will only make it worse. That is what my mare kept doing also. She lost all of her muscle tone over her topline also. Just wasn't herself. I treated with Origin last August and she looks awesome and was riding great before winter got here. It's pretty simple to rule it out and move on to more expensive treatments and fixes. Thats my thought anyway.
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| My 10 year old gelding, had hock, stifle and SI problems. I had his hocks, stifles and SI injected. All of the problems stemmed from improper shoeing. His angles were off, and therefore made him extremely sore everywhere. I'm not saying that it will fix all problems with horses, but I suggest looking at the angles of their feet. In my opinion, it's easier to fix the angles of the feet than inject. I was desperate at the time and didn't know what else to do. Since his feet are at the correct angle, he doesn't have those problems. |
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Location: Texas | Shortbus - 2015-01-13 8:49 AM Would the not wanting to turn the first barrel only be a sign of SI problems?
No...
that could really be anything... I would get a vet check and go from there
A vet check with an excellent lameness vet to be exact, it is worht the time and money.
You can see in the videos I posted When I ask my horse to turn he starts to, then something happens and he just couldn't physically turn. We injected his hocks, that helped, but not as long as it should have. We knew his SI was hurting and decided to go ahead and try it. SI injections aren't fun. It's like a 13inch huge needle that goes down into the back. |
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Location: Sapulpa, OK | Shortbus - 2015-01-13 8:49 AM Would the not wanting to turn the first barrel only be a sign of SI problems?
It was the sign that finally helped me & my vet figure out to inject SI's. He has never refused it again after the SI injection. Charges right down the alley happy to run again! |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | hammer_time - 2015-01-13 11:15 AM See I don't think its EPM because he's in good body shape, and has alot of energy outside the arena. He's not 3 legged lame...just not totally 100% comfortable. Still sound enough to run and drag his ass when we rope and get me to where I need to be. But something is bothering him a bit. He is still in a good mood and alert and happy to see me.
See, this is EXACTLY what I thought. I just knew my mate was sore in her hocks. The only symptom was not firing hard and acting lazy in a lope. Took her to vet and she has EPM. |
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| King&I - 2015-01-13 12:31 PM
Shortbus - 2015-01-13 8:49 AM Would the not wanting to turn the first barrel only be a sign of SI problems?
It was the sign that finally helped me & my vet figure out to inject SI's. He has never refused it again after the SI injection. Charges right down the alley happy to run again!
He Has had his hocks injected. He doesn't always refuse it. He will normally do slow work good and when I take him to our local arena to practice he will do great with me pushing him, every once in a while he will not want to turn. But take him to a show and he will not turn first. Last year he started out doing great then went to refusing first. Got hocks injected took him to Chiropractor and had teeth done same thing would still refuse first went back to just doing slow work and gradually adding speed he did great for a few months then out of the blue started refusing first again. Any suggestions? |
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Location: Oklahoma | Shortbus - 2015-01-13 4:06 PM
King&I - 2015-01-13 12:31 PM
Shortbus - 2015-01-13 8:49 AM Would the not wanting to turn the first barrel only be a sign of SI problems?
It was the sign that finally helped me & my vet figure out to inject SI's. He has never refused it again after the SI injection. Charges right down the alley happy to run again!
He Has had his hocks injected. He doesn't always refuse it. He will normally do slow work good and when I take him to our local arena to practice he will do great with me pushing him, every once in a while he will not want to turn. But take him to a show and he will not turn first. Last year he started out doing great then went to refusing first. Got hocks injected took him to Chiropractor and had teeth done same thing would still refuse first went back to just doing slow work and gradually adding speed he did great for a few months then out of the blue started refusing first again. Any suggestions?
I'm also gonna suggest that you get blood draw for EPM. It's probably only going to cost you $60-$100ish and I have yet to hear someone say that they tested their horse and it didn't have high Protozoa levels. I'm always surprised (and sickened, to be honest) when I hear people listing all the symptoms their horse had and they attribute to EPM. I should have tested months ago. |
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Location: Phoenix | Longneck--I will arrange to have blood drawn and test for it. They can run other diagnostics on that same blood sample, can't they? |
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Location: Oklahoma | hammer_time - 2015-01-13 5:02 PM Longneck--I will arrange to have blood drawn and test for it. They can run other diagnostics on that same blood sample, can't they?
I am really not sure. I also had my gelding allergy tested during the same blood pull, but vet pulled two syringes worth of blood. Probably because they were going to different labs.... Might be possible if the lab can do different tests but I'd probably just draw a few times to make sure.
Have you tried massage and chiro work on the SI? I've never dealt with that type of injury.... Yet. Knock on wood! I think those two things I'm conjunction are supposed to ease SI pain. Not trying to steer you away from the injection of the vet thinks it necessary, just thinking of more a avenues of treatment.
I hope Diane (Guinn) sees this, she's dealt with a few times and can probably spot more symptoms. |
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Location: Phoenix | I plan on having him chiro'd (the Chiro is a vet) first just to alleviate any discomfort until I can afford to run all these tests/X-rays at once. He responds well to massage and chiropractic work so hopefully that will address some of the bunny hopping. Until then I will just walk and trot. |
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Location: Phoenix | Well now we might be looking at a full lameness exam......due to something unrelated...he's sore on his front right at a normal trot. He can walk and slow trot fine. I thought he might be tender from his trim (I kept him barefoot) but he was a little sore the day before the trim (the day I noticed). Oh, HORSES!!!! :/ |
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